Vote YES or NO on Prop 19

[dagnabit]

This is rather vague, not to mention are we talking about prop 19 here or legalization? because I was talking specifically about 19. You sound like your talking more about legalization in general.

..and on a final note,

vague?

Originally Posted by dagnabit
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I think its reasonable to ask. . why I should vote yes.. other than the movement?
freedom

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How great are the benefits for you?
freedom

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How does 19 stop me from going to prison?
makes possession of 1000 lbs of pot legal in my home
makes growing of my own legal in my own home
provides for entrepreneurs like B³ to open a vape lounge
provides for entrepreneurs like me to pay to play in a warehouse

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Who's life got ruined that wouldn't have if 19 passed?
thousands over the last 70 years

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Who stands to gain the most out of this bill?
the world

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Oh and.. Why are the no on 19ers "prohibitionist"?
because they support continued prohibition.
because their allies are law enforcement and known prohibitionists
because they use the EXACT same lies and fear tactics that prohibitionists have used for years.
because if it walks like a duck,talks like a duck,tastes like a duck and smells like a duck it probably aint a chipmunk

those bolded answers are too vague for you?


hydro the 5X5 you keep harping on is a MINIMUM!

And if you vote to keep the Jews in a 5x5 cage for the rest of their lives I can see how you'd be proud of yourself.

Must be cool to be so 100% right with anyone else 100% wrong.

maybe you didnt get it...

if you sided with the nazis and said you were for freeing jews i would not believe you.

now if you said i believe the jews should have a MINIMUM space that no one can take from them (Israel) and should not be put in ovens anymore id say its a start.

the emancipation proclamation did not free the slaves. but it got the ball rolling.

should we have kept slavery until the civil rights act passed?

 

[dagnabit]

put your name here with your cohorts!!!!

http://landing.noonproposition19.com/ca/

maybe they will put your picture up too

 

[dagnabit]

Give me a good reason that the bill doesn't even mention them.

so it can pass.

why did 215 not provide for retroactive medical based releases?

so it would pass.

this is a judicial issue not a legislative one.

please express your flexible moral indignation elsewhere?

 

[subrob]

the emancipation proclamation did not free the slaves. but it got the ball rolling.

should we have kept slavery until the civil rights act passed?

BAM! good point....another good point...one of hundreds ive seen on the subject

 

[Ganjika]

Hey guys. This is a copypasta from my thread that was closed:

First of all let me say that I love weed, but I really think that Prop. 19 is going to have a LOT of negatives for weed and the people who use it, moreso than the negatives we have today. Here are some of my predictions:

1. Medicinal strains with high levels of CBD will be even harder to find as stores will simply provide what is demanded the most, and that's very high THC strains. So medicinal users will be ignored more than they are even now and will find it even harder to medicate themselves.

2. Additives will be added. The addition of any additive, no matter if the FDA thinks it's 'safe' or not (the same people who consider the additives in tobacco to be safe), will negate the medicinal benefits of the herb. I personally don't want any additives in my weed. What I think will happen is that weed will face the same fate tobacco did:

a. The corporations are gonna take weed and add additives and other toxins to it (just like with tobacco)

b. The majority of people will smoke what these corporations manufacture instead of growing their own due to how easy it is to obtain (just like with tobacco)

c. People will start getting various illnesses, such as cancer, which cannabis in it's natural form does not cause (it actually prevents and fights cancer) (just like with tobacco)

d. People will start noticing the effect that cannabis has on people (just like with tobacco)

e. People start to get the idea that cannabis itself is harmful and that it's not due to the additives (just like what's happening with tobacco) and start to boycott cannabis and not the additives

f. Cannabis viewed as 'poisonous' and detrimental to health (just like with tobacco)

g. Little to no medicinal value remains in commercial weed as it's been turned into nothing but a mixture of toxins (just like with tobacco)

h. Bans for smoking in public places requested by the people/groups boycotting cannabis (just like with tobacco)

i. Requests for bans passed (just like with tobacco)

The result is that we end up with a population that views cannabis as poisonous and detrimental to health with increasing drops in cannabis use due to this misinformation. The majority of the population will not know of the medicinal uses of cannabis. Also once the bans on smoking in public places is passed, all we end up with is a terrible version of decriminalisation basically.

The government will therefore have succeeded in preventing people from knowing and benefiting from the medical and spiritual benefits of cannabis (which I'm sure is one of the hidden agendas in the legalisation process), while still making money and giving the medical side back to big pharma.

I'm convinced that this is the way it will play out. I just think that viewing the negative sides and the possible hidden agendas is a good thing before passing a proposition.

 

[Hammerhead]

Another person spewing false info the only thing you are doing is making yourself look stupid. None of the things you are concerned about will ever happen. You are paranoid and should do your home work on the subject. We have been discussing this for months. All of your fear mongering insinuations have been debunked numerous times. Your post is a perfect example of not bothering to read what we have discussed. Your thread was closed for a good reason now maybe u will get this one closed as well.

 

[erbium]

Hey guys. This is a copypasta from my thread that was closed:

First of all let me say that I love weed, but I really think that Prop. 19 is going to have a LOT of negatives for weed and the people who use it, moreso than the negatives we have today. Here are some of my predictions:

1. Medicinal strains with high levels of CBD will be even harder to find as stores will simply provide what is demanded the most, and that's very high THC strains. So medicinal users will be ignored more than they are even now and will find it even harder to medicate themselves.

2. Additives will be added. The addition of any additive, no matter if the FDA thinks it's 'safe' or not (the same people who consider the additives in tobacco to be safe), will negate the medicinal benefits of the herb. I personally don't want any additives in my weed. What I think will happen is that weed will face the same fate tobacco did:

a. The corporations are gonna take weed and add additives and other toxins to it (just like with tobacco)

b. The majority of people will smoke what these corporations manufacture instead of growing their own due to how easy it is to obtain (just like with tobacco)

c. People will start getting various illnesses, such as cancer, which cannabis in it's natural form does not cause (it actually prevents and fights cancer) (just like with tobacco)

d. People will start noticing the effect that cannabis has on people (just like with tobacco)

e. People start to get the idea that cannabis itself is harmful and that it's not due to the additives (just like what's happening with tobacco) and start to boycott cannabis and not the additives

f. Cannabis viewed as 'poisonous' and detrimental to health (just like with tobacco)

g. Little to no medicinal value remains in commercial weed as it's been turned into nothing but a mixture of toxins (just like with tobacco)

h. Bans for smoking in public places requested by the people/groups boycotting cannabis (just like with tobacco)

i. Requests for bans passed (just like with tobacco)

The result is that we end up with a population that views cannabis as poisonous and detrimental to health with increasing drops in cannabis use due to this misinformation. The majority of the population will not know of the medicinal uses of cannabis. Also once the bans on smoking in public places is passed, all we end up with is a terrible version of decriminalisation basically.

The government will therefore have succeeded in preventing people from knowing and benefiting from the medical and spiritual benefits of cannabis (which I'm sure is one of the hidden agendas in the legalisation process), while still making money and giving the medical side back to big pharma.

I'm convinced that this is the way it will play out. I just think that viewing the negative sides and the possible hidden agendas is a good thing before passing a proposition.

It still is silly.

 

[dagnabit]

1. Medicinal strains with high levels of CBD will be even harder to find as stores will simply provide what is demanded the most, and that's very high THC strains. So medicinal users will be ignored more than they are even now and will find it even harder to medicate themselves.

grow whatever you like.
if the market demands sativas then sativas will be sold.
more importantly grow what you want.

2. Additives will be added. The addition of any additive, no matter if the FDA thinks it's 'safe' or not (the same people who consider the additives in tobacco to be safe), will negate the medicinal benefits of the herb. I personally don't want any additives in my weed. What I think will happen is that weed will face the same fate tobacco did:

a. The corporations are gonna take weed and add additives and other toxins to it (just like with tobacco)

what corporation?
no national corporation will risk rico prosecution by a proven anti business administration because california passes a small scale recreational bill. the shareholders and B.O.D. of any large corporation would laugh at the suggestion of becoming involved in conspiracy to commit federal felonies.

b. The majority of people will smoke what these corporations manufacture instead of growing their own due to how easy it is to obtain (just like with tobacco)

see above

c. People will start getting various illnesses, such as cancer, which cannabis in it's natural form does not cause (it actually prevents and fights cancer) (just like with tobacco)

see above

d. People will start noticing the effect that cannabis has on people (just like with tobacco)

e. People start to get the idea that cannabis itself is harmful and that it's not due to the additives (just like what's happening with tobacco) and start to boycott cannabis and not the additives

f. Cannabis viewed as 'poisonous' and detrimental to health (just like with tobacco)

g. Little to no medicinal value remains in commercial weed as it's been turned into nothing but a mixture of toxins (just like with tobacco)

h. Bans for smoking in public places requested by the people/groups boycotting cannabis (just like with tobacco)

i. Requests for bans passed (just like with tobacco)

see above

The result is that we end up with a population that views cannabis as poisonous and detrimental to health with increasing drops in cannabis use due to this misinformation. The majority of the population will not know of the medicinal uses of cannabis. Also once the bans on smoking in public places is passed, all we end up with is a terrible version of decriminalisation basically.

The government will therefore have succeeded in preventing people from knowing and benefiting from the medical and spiritual benefits of cannabis (which I'm sure is one of the hidden agendas in the legalisation process), while still making money and giving the medical side back to big pharma.

I'm convinced that this is the way it will play out. I just think that viewing the negative sides and the possible hidden agendas is a good thing before passing a proposition.

the problem with this being the way it plays out is the foundation of your scenario is just downright laughable.
the (already targeted by the anti business administration) big tobacco companies are going to engage in blatantly felonious activity by manufacturing,distributing and selling a schedule I narcotic, risking prosecution and life in federal pound me in the ass prison for EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE involved in the ongoing international criminal enterprise because cali allows a minimum 25²' grow area?

wanna share the lsd?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

The same ppl that will have free time, not having to write a new Prop from scratch--

I don't like the first one so much... why would I want the same people to try to unfuck it?

put your name here with your cohorts!!!!

http://landing.noonproposition19.com/ca/

maybe they will put your picture up too

I already pointed out I did not know your list of my "allies". Your bullshit stinks from here. Cohorts my ass

REPEAL 215!!!!

not one smoker was released as a result of 215!!!!

I'm sure you regret being such a jester. I am the enemy. I get it...

so it can pass.

why did 215 not provide for retroactive medical based releases?

so it would pass.

this is a judicial issue not a legislative one.

please express your flexible moral indignation elsewhere?

And you must have missed my post where I said that was my assumption.

Oh.. and morals must be flexible... I can't believe you think that people should stay in prison.

How is it you feel it necessary to tell me to express myself elsewhere. You are just as welcome as I am. What kind of righteous saint handed you supreme knowledge of who should do what anyway?

I've never used any of the certainty that you have. I haven't resorted to childish inciteful (not insightful) posting. I wanted a decent discussion. I got the same shit I expected.

As long as we are telling each other what to do, how about considering my thoughts?

 

[apanihi]

If lettuce were $350/oz I'd stop eating it. If all other vegetables were priced this way... it would be hard to eat any. This one is a no brainer, I'm voting yes for sure. Small organic farmers are still around and always will be, choice is still mine where to go. This wont force me to go buy from a "Walmart Weed Store". I think the only people against this are the small farmers making good $ with it seeing their pot of gold be worth less. From a consumer point of view, I want a lower price and consistent quality. I'm still going to buy from small farmers and grow myself.

 

[dagnabit]

As long as we are telling each other what to do, how about considering my thoughts?

ive heard them for months..
its regurgitation of the same tired bullshit.
your indignation at continued incarceration extends as far as it serves your prohibitionist arguments.
you dont seem to be calling for the repeal of 215? do you believe there are no wrongly convicted patients in prison now?
why should we benefit from a legislation that leaves our brothers remain incarcerated?
what about the legislation sitting on Arnold's desk?
did you write him a letter not to sign it unless every single misdemeanor conviction for marijuana that would have been avoided is overturned?
how about all of the convicted felons from the bad old days? should we fight against the leno bill because their rights wont be restored by it?
if 19 freed every single prisoner that would not be enough. what about restitution for all the damages done to them because of the prosecution?

maybe flexible morals was the wrong term...
selectively applied morals.

like i said its not a legislative issue its a judicial one...


[EDIT]
i never "told you what to do" btw >>>>>>?<<<<<<< this is a question mark if you see it at the end of a sentence (especially one that starts with the word please) it means that statement is interrogatory in nature not declarative.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

ive heard them for months..
its regurgitation of the same tired bullshit.
your indignation at continued incarceration extends as far as it serves your prohibitionist arguments.
you dont seem to be calling for the repeal of 215? do you believe there are no wrongly convicted patients in prison now?
why should we benefit from a legislation that leaves our brothers remain incarcerated?
what about the legislation sitting on Arnold's desk?
did you write him a letter not to sign it unless every single misdemeanor conviction for marijuana that would have been avoided is overturned?
how about all of the convicted felons from the bad old days? should we fight against the leno bill because their rights wont be restored by it?
if 19 freed every single prisoner that would not be enough. what about restitution for all the damages done to them because of the prosecution?

maybe flexible morals was the wrong term...
selectively applied morals.

like i said its not a legislative issue its a judicial one...

The last I looked we can't vote on judicial issues.

I do not support prohibition... I can repeat myself as many times as you can.

 

[dagnabit]

I already pointed out I did not know your list of my "allies". Your bullshit stinks from here. Cohorts my ass

you stand with them against my freedom.
they even say VERBATIM some of your arguments to continue oppressing marijuana users.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I stand for freedom.

I don't call anybody anything they aren't.

 

[dagnabit]

I do not support prohibition... I can repeat myself as many times as you can.

i can say i have an 18" cock but when i whip it out.....

so yes you can say you dont support prohibition..but when you whip out that ballot and vote FOR continued prohibition....

 

[dagnabit]

I stand for freedom.

awesome so your voting yes!!!!

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I don't live in California... if I did I probably would have moved by now.

Don't consider me some threat to your freedom.

I thought the name of the thread was vote yes or no on prop 19... not vote yes on prop 19 or be subjected to being reduced to having the label prohibitionist thrust upon you.

Go on... vote away... I'm not going to stop you... but I also will not lower myself to simple jabs and irrecoverable inanities.

Have a good life dag... I hope you get everything you ever wanted.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[dagnabit]

Welcome to my ignore list.

i dont have one..

as for the "label" shoe...fit..wear...

 

[kmk420kali]

I don't like the first one so much... why would I want the same people to try to unfuck it?

Naw bro, I was talking about whoever you thought should be writing the next one--
I was being serious...what I meant, and should have said was...If 19 passes, they will be able to observe whatever things go wrong or right with it...Court decisions...what the Public Opinion is on it after a year or 2...and instead of them having to write "The First Legalization Prop" blind of all those things...as this one is, they can concentrate on how to tweek this one...after ppl get used to the very "Crazy" notion of legalizing marijuana--
It is not going to happen at once man-- There is a lot wrong, and I think it will take a "Test Trial" like this, to make The People, and Politicians finally face the facts that over 70 years of lies...was just that, lies--

Oh.. and morals must be flexible... I can't believe you think that people should stay in prison.

Worse than them staying in there...is to keep sending more--

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I don't think you understand... they will still be going to jail under this bill.

I'm going to take leave of this thread. It goes in circles and I'm sure there isn't any more progress for either side... I was told I was just spewing regurgitated bullshit, and all I really wanted to say I've already said. It does seem to be a trend of late in this thread to repeat things, so here is one more repetition:

I want it to be known that I think people should be free... truly free.

Cannabis should be legal... and people should be free.

That is all.