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Vote YES or NO on Prop 19
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I was talking with my friend about this and he said this..."If Prop 19 did pass everyone would just move to California that's why it did not pass..."I believe that was the fear for many voter who voted in favor of No... I have a strong feeling many more death in Mexico and surrounding area in the next couple of weeks...
I think Northern California should succeed from So Cal, like amputating a limb with Gangrene...
We're all for one and one for all. That's what makes this State great.
Just a reminder, in case some of you forgot:
(1980-2009 - Total, marijuana and drug arrests by year) Although the intent of a 'War on Drugs' may have been to target drug smugglers and 'King Pins,' over half (51.6%) of the 1,663,582 total 2009 arrests for drug abuse violations were for marijuana -- a calculated total of 858,408. Of those, an estimated 758,593 people (45.6%) were arrested for marijuana possession alone. By contrast in 2000, a total of 734,497 Americans were arrested for marijuana offenses, of which 646,042 were for possession alone.
http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/53
858,408 arrests for cannabis in the U.S. alone in 2009. Those arrests stay on your record forever.
They negatively impact your life forever. Your earning power is diminished permanently.
For young Americans arrests for marijuana offenses can have very dire consequences. In the United States drug convictions bar students from receiving any Federal Student Loans. This is a another policy that preferentially impacts on working class and minority communities.
The number of arrests has doubled since 1980.
The amount of money spent on the war on drugs annually:
Over $42 billion.
http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock
Over $1,000,000,000 spent annually locking up cannabis offenders.
Over $8,000,000,000 spent arresting cannabis offenders.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/10/18/125830/39
The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners. Indeed, the United States leads the world in producing prisoners, a reflection of a relatively recent and now entirely distinctive American approach to crime and punishment.
The United States ranks number one in incarceration rates as well, which is the number of people imprisoned per 100,000 people in a given country. The U.S. has 751 people incarcerated per 100,000 while Russia, the industrialized nation closest in rank , has only 627 per 100k. In other countries it is far lower, with England at 151, Germany at 88, and Japan at only 63!
The website of the Marijuana Policy Project notes that: “Federal government figures indicate there are more than 41,000 Americans in state or federal prison on marijuana charges right now, not including those in county jails. That’s more than the number imprisoned on all charges combined in eight individual European Union countries.
According to the US Department of Justice, 30-40 percent of all current prison admissions involve crimes that have no direct or obvious victim other than the perpetrator,” the report shows. “The drug category constitutes the largest offense category, with 31 percent of all prison admissions resulting from such crimes.” Nearly a third of all prison admissions are from non violent drug offenses!
http://hashexpress.wordpress.com/the-hash-express-news-2010/marijuana-prison-statistics/
The Drug Policy Alliance and the California State Conference of the NAACP have released a report that documents widespread race-based disparities in the enforcement of low-level marijuana possession laws in California. In the last 20 years, California made 850,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana, and half a million arrests in the last 10 years. The people arrested were disproportionately African Americans and Latinos, overwhelmingly young people, especially young men. Yet, U.S. government surveys consistently find that young whites use marijuana at higher rates than young blacks. From 2006 through 2008, police in 25 of California's major cities have arrested blacks at four, five, six, seven and even twelve times the rate of whites.
http://realneo.us/Understanding-The-Cannabis-Divide
(1980-2009 - Total, marijuana and drug arrests by year) Although the intent of a 'War on Drugs' may have been to target drug smugglers and 'King Pins,' over half (51.6%) of the 1,663,582 total 2009 arrests for drug abuse violations were for marijuana -- a calculated total of 858,408. Of those, an estimated 758,593 people (45.6%) were arrested for marijuana possession alone. By contrast in 2000, a total of 734,497 Americans were arrested for marijuana offenses, of which 646,042 were for possession alone.
http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/53
858,408 arrests for cannabis in the U.S. alone in 2009. Those arrests stay on your record forever.
They negatively impact your life forever. Your earning power is diminished permanently.
For young Americans arrests for marijuana offenses can have very dire consequences. In the United States drug convictions bar students from receiving any Federal Student Loans. This is a another policy that preferentially impacts on working class and minority communities.
The number of arrests has doubled since 1980.
The amount of money spent on the war on drugs annually:
Over $42 billion.
http://www.drugsense.org/cms/wodclock
Over $1,000,000,000 spent annually locking up cannabis offenders.
Over $8,000,000,000 spent arresting cannabis offenders.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/10/18/125830/39
The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners. Indeed, the United States leads the world in producing prisoners, a reflection of a relatively recent and now entirely distinctive American approach to crime and punishment.
The United States ranks number one in incarceration rates as well, which is the number of people imprisoned per 100,000 people in a given country. The U.S. has 751 people incarcerated per 100,000 while Russia, the industrialized nation closest in rank , has only 627 per 100k. In other countries it is far lower, with England at 151, Germany at 88, and Japan at only 63!
The website of the Marijuana Policy Project notes that: “Federal government figures indicate there are more than 41,000 Americans in state or federal prison on marijuana charges right now, not including those in county jails. That’s more than the number imprisoned on all charges combined in eight individual European Union countries.
According to the US Department of Justice, 30-40 percent of all current prison admissions involve crimes that have no direct or obvious victim other than the perpetrator,” the report shows. “The drug category constitutes the largest offense category, with 31 percent of all prison admissions resulting from such crimes.” Nearly a third of all prison admissions are from non violent drug offenses!
http://hashexpress.wordpress.com/the-hash-express-news-2010/marijuana-prison-statistics/
The Drug Policy Alliance and the California State Conference of the NAACP have released a report that documents widespread race-based disparities in the enforcement of low-level marijuana possession laws in California. In the last 20 years, California made 850,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana, and half a million arrests in the last 10 years. The people arrested were disproportionately African Americans and Latinos, overwhelmingly young people, especially young men. Yet, U.S. government surveys consistently find that young whites use marijuana at higher rates than young blacks. From 2006 through 2008, police in 25 of California's major cities have arrested blacks at four, five, six, seven and even twelve times the rate of whites.
http://realneo.us/Understanding-The-Cannabis-Divide
Several sources have confirmed a NO. Ow well everyone. Next time I guess.
I think if all the MJ people voted YES, we could of won tonight. Though, I feel what really killed Prop 19 was Lee Baca, Cooley, and the newspapers. So many lies. Somehow, the lies need to not only be proven lies, but in a very public way that is difficult to debate. Maybe then we can get MJ to be legal recreational.
I do believe there is about to be a backlash. I am hoping not, but I predict a very bumpy road.
I think if all the MJ people voted YES, we could of won tonight. Though, I feel what really killed Prop 19 was Lee Baca, Cooley, and the newspapers. So many lies. Somehow, the lies need to not only be proven lies, but in a very public way that is difficult to debate. Maybe then we can get MJ to be legal recreational.
I do believe there is about to be a backlash. I am hoping not, but I predict a very bumpy road.
SOTF, you really shouldn't throw dagnabit under the bus like that.Or the well known members posting under other names in this thread for fear of speaking their mind under their real usernames, but guess what ya sneaky bastards behind the scenes we already know who you are!
Say your sorry.
at a lesser rate!
if one goes that would not have is it worth a no vote?
if one child sees mommy and daddy hauled off in cuffs tht would not have been is that no vote still ok?
how about 50?
100?
1 is to many!!!
and still are now.
but there were legitimate legal recourse for sentence reduction or clemency if 19 passed.
but fuck them right?
a man is arrested that would not have been if 19 passed...
how does the no voter(prohibitionist)not bear the responsibility?
they had the means to prevent that man from jail and chose not to...
when good men stand by while evil is committed....
^^^^^
evil!
do you deny that?
LOL
yup ive not been dagnabit since '99
and the dog in my avatar he was not named dagnabit either...
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R.I.P. nabit dog...
you were a good boy son
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feral
uh hummmmm cough cough.( well said) (sorry for the cough I was exhalingApparently that's on every day but tuesdays.
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hell yes and while were at it lets just nuke them socal shit stains ill push the red button..hahahahaaaaaaaaa
Okay, all I'm really sorry for all my misbehavior. It was passionate and kinda fun, but I really don't dislike anyone here, and hope to get to know you all better.
We can agree to disagree but I'm sure you're all nice people, and I have no reason to think other of you, just because this went sideways.
I would smoke with you anytime and I thank you for your candid discussion and not being sheep.
I appreciate people who stand up or what they believe. After all, that's what I (we) fought for.
~Peace
We can agree to disagree but I'm sure you're all nice people, and I have no reason to think other of you, just because this went sideways.
I would smoke with you anytime and I thank you for your candid discussion and not being sheep.
I appreciate people who stand up or what they believe. After all, that's what I (we) fought for.
~Peace
You guys out west keep the hope alive while the rest of us have a lot of ground to make up riding your coattails...
Everybody stay safe... we may disagree on the small stuff but we all can't live without our weed.........
Night
Everybody stay safe... we may disagree on the small stuff but we all can't live without our weed.........
Night
Official Statement of the Yes on Proposition 19 Campaign in Response to Election Results
by Yes on 19: Control & Tax Cannabis 2010 on Tuesday, November 2, 2010 at 10:09pm
November 2, 2010
10:00 pm.
OAKLAND, CA -- In response to the voting results on Proposition 19, the California ballot measure to control and tax marijuana, Prop. 19 proponent Richard Lee released the following statement:
“The fact that millions of Californians voted to legalize marijuana is a tremendous victory. We have broken the glass ceiling. Prop. 19 has changed the terms of the debate. And that was a major strategic goal.
“Over the course of the last year, it has become clear that the legalization of marijuana is no longer a question of if but a question of when. Because of this campaign, millions now understand it’s time to develop an exit strategy for the failed war on marijuana. Across the state our opponents, including many newspaper editorial boards that failed to properly understand Prop. 19, repeatedly stated that their quibbles were not with legalization in general. When we come back with a new initiative in 2012, there will be a seat at the table for all of these new stakeholders. And we will be coming back, stronger than ever.
“With limited resources this time around we were able to build an enormously powerful coalition of cops and moms, law professors and civil rights leaders, liberals and libertarians, conservatives and unions; all hungry for change. For the first time we were able to unite in favor of legalization. Groups like the National Black Police Association, the National Latino Officers Association, the California Council of Churches IMAPCT, California NAACP, SEIU of California, United Food and Commercial Workers Western States Council, members of the U.S. Congress, local Democratic party committees, state legislators and many, many individual law enforcers, faith leaders, civil rights activists, students, professors of law and business leaders said it’s time for a new beginning. This coalition will only continue to grow in size and strength as we prepare for 2012.
“Even the establishment was divided. While Senator Dianne Feinstein lent her name to the opposition, others, realizing that legalization is on its way, got in front of the message. When Gov. Schwarzenegger signed SB 1449, the bill reducing marijuana offenses to an infraction, a few weeks ago, it was a clear concession to the power of the legalization movement and a recognition of the obvious failure of our marijuana laws. This singular change in law, brought about by the momentum of our campaign, will protect tens of thousands of Californians from arrest each and every year. It will save California taxpayers money, and it will make our streets safer. But it’s only a start, and there’s much more work to be done.
“And the American public will help bring about this change. A Gallup poll released just a few days ago found record support for legalization across the country, with 46 percent saying they think marijuana use ‘should be made legal.’ That’s a bigger result than Gallup has ever recorded in its 40-year history asking this question.
“The issue is generational. Fully 70 percent of 18-29 year-olds are in favor of legalization. And, many of the biggest contributors to the campaign were younger and based in Silicon Valley, representing a changing of the guard of political influence and leadership. With the help of our coalition, many of these new leaders are going to bring about the change that is now inevitable. Inspired by the momentum we’ve generated with Prop 19 here in California, we’re beginning to see other states gearing up for legalization efforts, both via ballot initiative in states like Washington, Nevada and Colorado, and in the state legislature in places like Rhode Island.
“And so, while we didn’t bring in enough votes tonight to pass Prop. 19, we know that we have achieved an enormous moral victory, and that there are millions of people across the country who are prepared to help finish the job they started here today when we come back to the polls stronger than ever in 2012.”
by Yes on 19: Control & Tax Cannabis 2010 on Tuesday, November 2, 2010 at 10:09pm
November 2, 2010
10:00 pm.
OAKLAND, CA -- In response to the voting results on Proposition 19, the California ballot measure to control and tax marijuana, Prop. 19 proponent Richard Lee released the following statement:
“The fact that millions of Californians voted to legalize marijuana is a tremendous victory. We have broken the glass ceiling. Prop. 19 has changed the terms of the debate. And that was a major strategic goal.
“Over the course of the last year, it has become clear that the legalization of marijuana is no longer a question of if but a question of when. Because of this campaign, millions now understand it’s time to develop an exit strategy for the failed war on marijuana. Across the state our opponents, including many newspaper editorial boards that failed to properly understand Prop. 19, repeatedly stated that their quibbles were not with legalization in general. When we come back with a new initiative in 2012, there will be a seat at the table for all of these new stakeholders. And we will be coming back, stronger than ever.
“With limited resources this time around we were able to build an enormously powerful coalition of cops and moms, law professors and civil rights leaders, liberals and libertarians, conservatives and unions; all hungry for change. For the first time we were able to unite in favor of legalization. Groups like the National Black Police Association, the National Latino Officers Association, the California Council of Churches IMAPCT, California NAACP, SEIU of California, United Food and Commercial Workers Western States Council, members of the U.S. Congress, local Democratic party committees, state legislators and many, many individual law enforcers, faith leaders, civil rights activists, students, professors of law and business leaders said it’s time for a new beginning. This coalition will only continue to grow in size and strength as we prepare for 2012.
“Even the establishment was divided. While Senator Dianne Feinstein lent her name to the opposition, others, realizing that legalization is on its way, got in front of the message. When Gov. Schwarzenegger signed SB 1449, the bill reducing marijuana offenses to an infraction, a few weeks ago, it was a clear concession to the power of the legalization movement and a recognition of the obvious failure of our marijuana laws. This singular change in law, brought about by the momentum of our campaign, will protect tens of thousands of Californians from arrest each and every year. It will save California taxpayers money, and it will make our streets safer. But it’s only a start, and there’s much more work to be done.
“And the American public will help bring about this change. A Gallup poll released just a few days ago found record support for legalization across the country, with 46 percent saying they think marijuana use ‘should be made legal.’ That’s a bigger result than Gallup has ever recorded in its 40-year history asking this question.
“The issue is generational. Fully 70 percent of 18-29 year-olds are in favor of legalization. And, many of the biggest contributors to the campaign were younger and based in Silicon Valley, representing a changing of the guard of political influence and leadership. With the help of our coalition, many of these new leaders are going to bring about the change that is now inevitable. Inspired by the momentum we’ve generated with Prop 19 here in California, we’re beginning to see other states gearing up for legalization efforts, both via ballot initiative in states like Washington, Nevada and Colorado, and in the state legislature in places like Rhode Island.
“And so, while we didn’t bring in enough votes tonight to pass Prop. 19, we know that we have achieved an enormous moral victory, and that there are millions of people across the country who are prepared to help finish the job they started here today when we come back to the polls stronger than ever in 2012.”
Nope wrong again I was talking about someone else in here, he knows who he is.
You should out him. It's a TOU violation.
Crucify the enemy within!
These dogs need to taste blood at this point anyway.
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