Right right, and when earlier stating how much money you make somehow was going to add to your credibility. Sorry, not working.
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Vote YES or NO on Prop 19
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Right right, and when earlier stating how much money you make somehow was going to add to your credibility. Sorry, not working.
WasntMe
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FYI: it should be written like this:
"... was too stupid to be right..."
We might as well correct you further if you are going to act like a douche.
right?
I hope prop 19 doesn't fail to get passed. Though, if it doesn't pass it isn't going to be because of the growers and sellers, there are just to few. It won't fail because the "no" campaign got more money. It's going to be because just about every newspaper, government official, officer, school, etc has come out strongly against it and have done that very publicly in the form of press conferences. In reality the "no" campaign received a lot more money in the form of free advertising.
This battle is much more difficult then most realized. This is why it's so important that we stand united so that the average voter doesn't get a confusing message.
This battle is much more difficult then most realized. This is why it's so important that we stand united so that the average voter doesn't get a confusing message.
A good attempt at standing in unity is the evasion of division.
Have you ever thought about writing for the fortune cookie companies?
Perhaps if they pay well.
It seems I have practice.
Most of my posts in this thread should count.
I write a post that I consider thoughtful or meaningful.
It may or may not get read.
If it does, it may or may not be understood.
If it is, it may or may not be agreed upon.
If it isn't, then it is immediately laughed under the rug, treated as trite, or simply derided.
Either way, it only matters to a very few.
So in a way I guess I already do write fortune cookie fortunes.
Interested Parties Await Outcome of MJ Measure
cannabis California -- Leslie Hennessy, owner of Hennessy’s Wines & Specialty Foods in San Francisco, waved his hand over a glass case that sits next to his cash register, across from the deli section where he sells cheeses, gourmet salads and olives.
Inside the case were colorful boxes of Macanudo and Romeo y Julieta cigars. But Mr. Hennessy imagines that the case will soon contain another smokable product — marijuana, packaged attractively because “a rolled up joint in a baggy isn’t going to do it,” he said.
“It would be very similar to the way we sell cigars, where it’s humidity controlled, where it’s under lock and key and there are certain times when it would be sold,” said Mr. Hennessy, 63, who markets his own wine and once led the California Retail Liquor Dealers Association.
Mr. Hennessy said that he had even begun to negotiate prices with marijuana suppliers.
A week before Californians vote on Proposition 19, which would legalize marijuana for recreational use, businesses are preparing to enter what is expected to be a robust retail market if the measure passes. The activity is particularly intense in the Bay Area, where cities like Oakland, San Francisco, Berkeley and Richmond are positioning themselves to take advantage of the burgeoning industry.
In Oakland, nearly 300 individuals and businesses have listed themselves as “interested parties” to obtain business permits to sell or grow marijuana. The city’s largest medical marijuana dispensary is considering a 7,000-square-foot expansion if it is allowed to sell to recreational users.
Cafe owners are exploring plans for Amsterdam-like coffee shops where marijuana could be sold and consumed. The California State Package Store and Tavern Owners Association, which represents black liquor store owners, is holding discussions about how to position itself if the measure passes.
“We want to be in the ballgame if it’s going to happen,” said Andre Isler, the owner of Isler’s Liquors in Oakland and a long-time member of the association.
A state report puts the value of California’s marijuana crop at $14 billion, dwarfing even the wine industry.
Robert Jacob, who operates the Peace in Medicine medical marijuana dispensary in Sebastopol, said that entrepreneurs of all types were jostling to get a piece of the action.
“So many people want to get into the business, and even aside from actually selling it you have packaging needs, management needs, bookkeeping needs,” Mr. Jacob said. “You have every single industry gearing up for the next dot-com boom.”
However, even if Proposition 19 passes — polls show that the vote will be close — it will take a while to gauge the full impact of the law. The measure would allow Californians 21 and older to grow up to 25 square feet of marijuana and possess up to an ounce for personal use. How and where it would be sold commercially would be left up to individual cities and counties.
At the same time, Tom Ammiano, a Democratic state assemblyman from San Francisco, is sponsoring a bill that would place California’s Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control in charge of regulating marijuana. Mr. Ammiano’s bill would also allow any store to sell marijuana as long as it has liquor license. That would include liquor stores, most convenience stores and even supermarkets.
Complicating matters is last week’s announcement by Eric H. Holder Jr., the United States attorney general, that the Justice Department will “vigorously enforce” federal drug laws even if Proposition 19 passes. That legal uncertainty appears to be making many businesses cautious.
“There are lots of people that say this will be in the courts for a long time,” said Libba Letton, a spokeswoman for Whole Foods Market, which has several Bay Area stores. “It’s not something we’re interested in getting into now.”
Oakland, San Francisco and Berkeley are waiting until after the election to adopt rules for retail sales, officials in those cities said. In interviews this week, the officials said they were inclined to allow existing medical marijuana dispensaries or similar types of businesses to sell to recreational users if Proposition 19 passed. Customers who are not buying marijuana for medical reasons would be required to present a California identification card instead of a medical cannabis card to be admitted, and they would be permitted to buy only fixed quantities of marijuana.
“I think we would want to stick with the dispensary idea,” said Laurie Capitelli, a Berkeley City Council member. “I can’t imagine the beer guy driving around with all that marijuana in his Miller High Life truck.”
Oakland’s Harborside Health Center, clean and well-lighted, could be mistaken for a retail outlet — except for the significant presence of private security and the abundance of marijuana sold from behind a long glass counter. The dispensary, off Interstate 880, has more than 58,000 patients, and it sold more than $21 million worth of marijuana last year, according to Stephen DeAngelo, Harborside’s executive director.
Mr. DeAngelo said that his operation would be a good candidate for retail sales.
“My hope is that they would look to the existing licensees to handle this new activity,” Mr. DeAngelo said. He calculated that Harborside would need to rent an additional 7,000 feet of adjacent office space to accommodate the new business.
The man behind Proposition 19, Richard Lee, founded Oaksterdam University and operates Coffeeshop Blue Sky, which doubles as a medical marijuana dispensary, in downtown Oakland. Mr. Lee said he envisioned marijuana cafes flourishing if the measure passed, although the state’s tough antismoking laws would be difficult to get around.
Mr. Capitelli, the Berkeley City Council member, said that the existing dispensaries had an obvious financial interest in controlling the retail market. But he added that their expertise, especially on security matters, could be helpful as cities transition from medical to recreational sales.
Jane Brunner, president of the Oakland City Council, said her city would most likely look to the dispensaries for retail sales if Proposition 19 passed — not liquor stores. “We have enough problems with those stores as it is,” Ms. Brunner said. “With the dispensaries we have a lot of control. They pay fees, they allow us in to do inspections.”
But other business interests, backed by legislators, are likely to push for opportunities to sell marijuana — many already are. Mr. Ammiano, who is sponsoring the bill to put marijuana sales under the control of the Alcoholic Beverage Control Department, said in an interview that liquor stores would be a good option.
“Depending on the community and the location, why not?” he said.
Mr. Hennessy, the owner of the wine and specialty foods store in San Francisco, said he intended to proceed very carefully given the legal uncertainty. But he agreed that liquor store owners like him have the most experience to handle the new market.
“We’ve always hoped that the bill would pass and give us another tool to make money,” Mr. Hennessy said. “We’ve all been fingerprinted; we have city and state licensing. We’ve just become real experts in dispensing controlled substances.”
A version of this article appeared in print on October 24, 2010, on page A31A of the National edition.
Source: New York Times (NY)
Author: Zusha Elinson
cannabis California -- Leslie Hennessy, owner of Hennessy’s Wines & Specialty Foods in San Francisco, waved his hand over a glass case that sits next to his cash register, across from the deli section where he sells cheeses, gourmet salads and olives.
Inside the case were colorful boxes of Macanudo and Romeo y Julieta cigars. But Mr. Hennessy imagines that the case will soon contain another smokable product — marijuana, packaged attractively because “a rolled up joint in a baggy isn’t going to do it,” he said.
“It would be very similar to the way we sell cigars, where it’s humidity controlled, where it’s under lock and key and there are certain times when it would be sold,” said Mr. Hennessy, 63, who markets his own wine and once led the California Retail Liquor Dealers Association.
Mr. Hennessy said that he had even begun to negotiate prices with marijuana suppliers.
A week before Californians vote on Proposition 19, which would legalize marijuana for recreational use, businesses are preparing to enter what is expected to be a robust retail market if the measure passes. The activity is particularly intense in the Bay Area, where cities like Oakland, San Francisco, Berkeley and Richmond are positioning themselves to take advantage of the burgeoning industry.
In Oakland, nearly 300 individuals and businesses have listed themselves as “interested parties” to obtain business permits to sell or grow marijuana. The city’s largest medical marijuana dispensary is considering a 7,000-square-foot expansion if it is allowed to sell to recreational users.
Cafe owners are exploring plans for Amsterdam-like coffee shops where marijuana could be sold and consumed. The California State Package Store and Tavern Owners Association, which represents black liquor store owners, is holding discussions about how to position itself if the measure passes.
“We want to be in the ballgame if it’s going to happen,” said Andre Isler, the owner of Isler’s Liquors in Oakland and a long-time member of the association.
A state report puts the value of California’s marijuana crop at $14 billion, dwarfing even the wine industry.
Robert Jacob, who operates the Peace in Medicine medical marijuana dispensary in Sebastopol, said that entrepreneurs of all types were jostling to get a piece of the action.
“So many people want to get into the business, and even aside from actually selling it you have packaging needs, management needs, bookkeeping needs,” Mr. Jacob said. “You have every single industry gearing up for the next dot-com boom.”
However, even if Proposition 19 passes — polls show that the vote will be close — it will take a while to gauge the full impact of the law. The measure would allow Californians 21 and older to grow up to 25 square feet of marijuana and possess up to an ounce for personal use. How and where it would be sold commercially would be left up to individual cities and counties.
At the same time, Tom Ammiano, a Democratic state assemblyman from San Francisco, is sponsoring a bill that would place California’s Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control in charge of regulating marijuana. Mr. Ammiano’s bill would also allow any store to sell marijuana as long as it has liquor license. That would include liquor stores, most convenience stores and even supermarkets.
Complicating matters is last week’s announcement by Eric H. Holder Jr., the United States attorney general, that the Justice Department will “vigorously enforce” federal drug laws even if Proposition 19 passes. That legal uncertainty appears to be making many businesses cautious.
“There are lots of people that say this will be in the courts for a long time,” said Libba Letton, a spokeswoman for Whole Foods Market, which has several Bay Area stores. “It’s not something we’re interested in getting into now.”
Oakland, San Francisco and Berkeley are waiting until after the election to adopt rules for retail sales, officials in those cities said. In interviews this week, the officials said they were inclined to allow existing medical marijuana dispensaries or similar types of businesses to sell to recreational users if Proposition 19 passed. Customers who are not buying marijuana for medical reasons would be required to present a California identification card instead of a medical cannabis card to be admitted, and they would be permitted to buy only fixed quantities of marijuana.
“I think we would want to stick with the dispensary idea,” said Laurie Capitelli, a Berkeley City Council member. “I can’t imagine the beer guy driving around with all that marijuana in his Miller High Life truck.”
Oakland’s Harborside Health Center, clean and well-lighted, could be mistaken for a retail outlet — except for the significant presence of private security and the abundance of marijuana sold from behind a long glass counter. The dispensary, off Interstate 880, has more than 58,000 patients, and it sold more than $21 million worth of marijuana last year, according to Stephen DeAngelo, Harborside’s executive director.
Mr. DeAngelo said that his operation would be a good candidate for retail sales.
“My hope is that they would look to the existing licensees to handle this new activity,” Mr. DeAngelo said. He calculated that Harborside would need to rent an additional 7,000 feet of adjacent office space to accommodate the new business.
The man behind Proposition 19, Richard Lee, founded Oaksterdam University and operates Coffeeshop Blue Sky, which doubles as a medical marijuana dispensary, in downtown Oakland. Mr. Lee said he envisioned marijuana cafes flourishing if the measure passed, although the state’s tough antismoking laws would be difficult to get around.
Mr. Capitelli, the Berkeley City Council member, said that the existing dispensaries had an obvious financial interest in controlling the retail market. But he added that their expertise, especially on security matters, could be helpful as cities transition from medical to recreational sales.
Jane Brunner, president of the Oakland City Council, said her city would most likely look to the dispensaries for retail sales if Proposition 19 passed — not liquor stores. “We have enough problems with those stores as it is,” Ms. Brunner said. “With the dispensaries we have a lot of control. They pay fees, they allow us in to do inspections.”
But other business interests, backed by legislators, are likely to push for opportunities to sell marijuana — many already are. Mr. Ammiano, who is sponsoring the bill to put marijuana sales under the control of the Alcoholic Beverage Control Department, said in an interview that liquor stores would be a good option.
“Depending on the community and the location, why not?” he said.
Mr. Hennessy, the owner of the wine and specialty foods store in San Francisco, said he intended to proceed very carefully given the legal uncertainty. But he agreed that liquor store owners like him have the most experience to handle the new market.
“We’ve always hoped that the bill would pass and give us another tool to make money,” Mr. Hennessy said. “We’ve all been fingerprinted; we have city and state licensing. We’ve just become real experts in dispensing controlled substances.”
A version of this article appeared in print on October 24, 2010, on page A31A of the National edition.
Source: New York Times (NY)
Author: Zusha Elinson
MediCann supports tickets and felonies for personal marijuana use
By "Radical" Russ Belville Click for more.....
(Sacramento Bee) It may be no surprise that doctors who make a living recommending medical marijuana might be leery of an initiative that can allow consumers to bypass them and merely smoke pot for recreation.
Now the founder and director of one of California’s most successful medical marijuana physicians’ networks is coming out strongly against Proposition 19.
Dr. Jean Talleyrand, who heads MediCann, a group of clinics that has worked with more than 200,000 medical marijuana users, says the initiative could sharply curtail the rights of legitimate cannabis patients to get their medicine.
In a statement put out on behalf of Talleyrand, MediCann argued that provisions in Prop 19 that allow cities to ban retail pot sales could mean that “over two-thirds of California’s counties will refuse to allow dispensaries” currently serving medical marijuana users.
“Therefore, patients who use medical cannabis to treat serious medical conditions could be denied safe access to their medication,” the statement said.
Some dispensary operators and medical pot advocates have made similar arguments against the initiative. Recently, the newly-formed California Cannabis Coalition, a group representing several dispensaries and advocates, also announced its opposition to Proposition 19.
But Don Duncan, the California director for American’s for Safe Access, the nation’s leading medical marijuana advocacy group, said ASA doesn’t think the initiative will undercut the rights of medical users. The organization isn’t taking a position on the ballot measure.
“Proposition 19 will have zero, zilch, nada impact on the current legal rights granted to patients, caregivers, doctors, collectives and cooperatives under California’s existing medical cannabis laws,” Prop 19 strategist Dan Newman said in a recent Sacramento Bee article on the split within the medical marijuana community.
Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/weed-wars/2...ns-network-decries-prop-19.html#ixzz1380R5Z86
By "Radical" Russ Belville Click for more.....
(Sacramento Bee) It may be no surprise that doctors who make a living recommending medical marijuana might be leery of an initiative that can allow consumers to bypass them and merely smoke pot for recreation.
Now the founder and director of one of California’s most successful medical marijuana physicians’ networks is coming out strongly against Proposition 19.
Dr. Jean Talleyrand, who heads MediCann, a group of clinics that has worked with more than 200,000 medical marijuana users, says the initiative could sharply curtail the rights of legitimate cannabis patients to get their medicine.
In a statement put out on behalf of Talleyrand, MediCann argued that provisions in Prop 19 that allow cities to ban retail pot sales could mean that “over two-thirds of California’s counties will refuse to allow dispensaries” currently serving medical marijuana users.
“Therefore, patients who use medical cannabis to treat serious medical conditions could be denied safe access to their medication,” the statement said.
Some dispensary operators and medical pot advocates have made similar arguments against the initiative. Recently, the newly-formed California Cannabis Coalition, a group representing several dispensaries and advocates, also announced its opposition to Proposition 19.
But Don Duncan, the California director for American’s for Safe Access, the nation’s leading medical marijuana advocacy group, said ASA doesn’t think the initiative will undercut the rights of medical users. The organization isn’t taking a position on the ballot measure.
“Proposition 19 will have zero, zilch, nada impact on the current legal rights granted to patients, caregivers, doctors, collectives and cooperatives under California’s existing medical cannabis laws,” Prop 19 strategist Dan Newman said in a recent Sacramento Bee article on the split within the medical marijuana community.
Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/weed-wars/2...ns-network-decries-prop-19.html#ixzz1380R5Z86
These dispensaries are blowing it. Multiple cities have suggested that the med clubs would be the ideal location for selling recreational cannabis. While these guys are shooting themselves in the foot and advocating the continuing war on cannabis users, they should be be down at their city halls lobbying council members. lame
If you're going to treat it as two seperate issues then you should probably sell them seperately.
If I get grass that gets me high, I shouldn't be getting it for medical use, right?
If I thought I was selling medicine to patients in medical need, I would tend to deny my stash to casual smokers, right?
If I get grass that gets me high, I shouldn't be getting it for medical use, right?
If I thought I was selling medicine to patients in medical need, I would tend to deny my stash to casual smokers, right?
Well, not much more to say to you. You clearly blame weed for your own problems in your life instead of facing yourself in the mirror and doing what is right. I get it, it's easier to blame weed, other people, etc. A lot of people have this problem so you are not alone.
It sounds like you need to work on yourself a bit (from your own words), before trying to tell people what to-do. It's hard to respect someone who doesn't take responsibility for themselves and then tries to preach to others.
P.S. It amazes me that you come to a board that focuses on weed and think people are going to join you/agree with you about how weed shouldn't be legal and that it makes a person lazy. lol! I swear, you must be related to Lee Baca.
Good day
jaysplifferton
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trollin trollin trollin
I find it a bit odd mxrider4 that all your posts are only in this thread and that they seem quite contradictory ....
....are you some other entity on the site, but wish to remain anonymous so not using your other handle for some reason by using a sock-puppet handle?
....are you some other entity on the site, but wish to remain anonymous so not using your other handle for some reason by using a sock-puppet handle?
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