Vote YES or NO on Prop 19

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

LOL

How old are you guys? Is the population really that old? Am I the only young person here?

EDIT:

PS, you can still register at the polling place, so IDK what kind of stuff you guys are smoking, but it must be good.

Your registration must be postmarked no later than October 18, 2010 to vote in the general election on November 2, 2010.

 

[Mr Celsius]

Your registration must be postmarked no later than October 18, 2010 to vote in the general election on November 2, 2010.

My bad, I guess that's national voting... stupid contradictions.

- pick up a form in person at any number of public offices (library, DMV, post office, county election office, city clerk, etc.)
- call 1-800-345-VOTE to request a form be mailed to you
- call your county election office to request a form be mailed to you
- download a form in English or Spanish from the Secretary of State's web site
-fill out the online registration form at the Secretary of State's web site (it will be printed and mailed to you for your signature)

http://www.calvoter.org/voter/faq.html#reg

 

[Greyskull]

Vote YES or NO on Prop 19

LOL

How old are you guys? Is the population really that old? Am I the only young person here?

EDIT:

PS, you can still register at the polling place, so IDK what kind of stuff you guys are smoking, but it must be good.

Mr C im in my early 30s

Those folks that graduated 10+ years behind me make me worry for our futures

Sour dubble is the truth if you dont know

Your registration must be postmarked no later than October 18, 2010 to vote in the general election on November 2, 2010.

Thanks herb ill be sure to pass it along

Hopefully they wont ask for help haha

 

[kmk420kali]

LOL

How old are you guys? Is the population really that old? Am I the only young person here?

I'll be 50 in a li'l over a month--

 

[Hydrosun]

back in the 60's you could walk right up to a polling place and vote. now they make it so difficult. Its our governments fault! They dont give instructions.....


SCF

Really, the government is keeping these lazy, apathetic sheep from voting? Are they enforcing a poll tax? Do they have a literacy test? Are they refusing to register Californians at every DMV and college campus now a days? Pretty sure CA mails out sample ballots in multiple languages and there ARE instructions on how to use voting machines.

Tell me again how the state of CA is making it hard for people to vote?

 

[WasntMe]

back in the 60's you could walk right up to a polling place and vote. now they make it so difficult. Its our governments fault! They dont give instructions.....


SCF

Really? Seriously?
Do you honestly consider filling out a few blocks on a card at the post office and dropping in the mail too difficult to figure out? The people at the Post Office will even help you....
Seriously? Too Difficult? It's the governments fault?

I fought for this country and in fact come from a family that is 5 generations deep of decorated war veterans that have fought for YOUR right to vote and make your opinion heard. I personally consider you registering and voting the bare minimum duty you have to this country. To not do so is disrespectful to everyone of us that has ever LITERALLY put our lives on the line for you.

If the simple task of registering to vote has gotten too difficult to figure out then there is a serious problem with the educational systems you had the misfortune to go thru.

 

[DankSide]

the other 49 states are watching.

So far what I've seen is the selfish are unwilling to vote yes - how can I blame them since money rules?

California is in a great position to tell the rest of the country what's what, and though many disagree with the parameters set forth, NOW is the time. Be responsible for helping to end the injustices against fellow smokers - remember the ripple effect that will be caused and please think about the big picture.

A world that excludes cannabis use from drug tests would free up a lot of brilliant minds to do what they desire without fear of scrutiny.

If you're a good grower and you find that you are being financially overtaken by larger businesses - then why not take up a job regulating quality control for these larger operations? No doubt companies will be looking to hire people with experience.

Yes, there are a lot of concerns, but some against it are taking this Glenn Beck approach way too far. Fear mongering is an activity already exasperated by politicians - we are all on the same team in the end.

 

[215forLife]

Really, the government is keeping these lazy, apathetic sheep from voting? Are they enforcing a poll tax? Do they have a literacy test? Are they refusing to register Californians at every DMV and college campus now a days? Pretty sure CA mails out sample ballots in multiple languages and there ARE instructions on how to use voting machines.

Tell me again how the state of CA is making it hard for people to vote?

I suggest you watch the movie Hacking Democracy.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I suggest you watch the movie Hacking Democracy.

Great documentery showing why we should never switch to electronic voting machines.

 

[SCF]

Really, the government is keeping these lazy, apathetic sheep from voting? Are they enforcing a poll tax? Do they have a literacy test? Are they refusing to register Californians at every DMV and college campus now a days? Pretty sure CA mails out sample ballots in multiple languages and there ARE instructions on how to use voting machines.

Tell me again how the state of CA is making it hard for people to vote?

it is easy yes. 100 percent agree with you. but you use to be able to walk into a polling booth day of election and sign up.


now u have deadlines etc. and its our responsblty as americans to do this.

but when i came out of highschool, i had no clue what the voting protocal was... just had to research it. and most people have not heard of prop 19 weird.... i called a lot of people phone banking and to my suprise people asked me, do i vote yes or no if im for it? because sometimes the wording is so confusing.

they have made voting harder by throwing more at us to vote for, with less time to study and gain facts for decision making.

but other than that, yes its easy so get ur ass out there, call ur local voting place to find out how you can vote asap. time gape is narrowing.

 

[SCF]

Really? Seriously?
Do you honestly consider filling out a few blocks on a card at the post office and dropping in the mail too difficult to figure out? The people at the Post Office will even help you....
Seriously? Too Difficult? It's the governments fault?

I fought for this country and in fact come from a family that is 5 generations deep of decorated war veterans that have fought for YOUR right to vote and make your opinion heard. I personally consider you registering and voting the bare minimum duty you have to this country. To not do so is disrespectful to everyone of us that has ever LITERALLY put our lives on the line for you.

If the simple task of registering to vote has gotten too difficult to figure out then there is a serious problem with the educational systems you had the misfortune to go thru.

wooo. dont take out ur past on me. im right there with you. voting is a right and not mandatory. and some choose not to vote as a protest.

yes it has been our educational leaders who have failed us, by not teaching real economics and political science, instead feeding us with what they believe we should know.


and yes Los Angels has a horrible school district, and yes i got robbed from a "good" education, because our country we fought for, deemed me getting busted for pot, made me un applicable to get higher education for financial aid.

yes our system has failed us. yes i believe we should vote. Yes i thank u for fighting for our country.

but i dont agree with war, nor our current war, and im not going to let, BAD wars dictate how i make my choices in life. as war is just another ploy to keep population down, and create more money, and to control the world. Just MHO.


once again i thank u for fighting for us. but i didnt ask you too.... and i know many countries that are free without war... IE canada.

 

[Hydrosun]

it is easy yes. 100 percent agree with you. but you use to be able to walk into a polling booth day of election and sign up.


now u have deadlines etc. and its our responsblty as americans to do this.

but when i came out of highschool, i had no clue what the voting protocal was... just had to research it. and most people have not heard of prop 19 weird.... i called a lot of people phone banking and to my suprise people asked me, do i vote yes or no if im for it? because sometimes the wording is so confusing.

they have made voting harder by throwing more at us to vote for, with less time to study and gain facts for decision making.

but other than that, yes its easy so get ur ass out there, call ur local voting place to find out how you can vote asap. time gape is narrowing.

I'm pretty sure Jessy "The Body" Ventura was elected MN governor as an independent with a large number of young Minnesotans regretting and voting at the polls THE DAY OF ELECTION.

CA chose to have deadlines and the like, but as you said it really isn't that hard to register.

As far as how to vote and voting, when I went to public schools in CA we voted every year for student body government and the like.

Also we had votes daily to decide what we wanted to do for recess or PE or rainy day activity, etc.

If you really can't handle YES or NO and X in the box it is time to move to FL and vote for Nader or Buchanan to make sure GWB gets into office At least Al Gore went on to save us from ManBearPig!

 

[SCF]

I'm pretty sure Jessy "The Body" Ventura was elected MN governor as an independent with a large number of young Minnesotans regretting and voting at the polls THE DAY OF ELECTION.

CA chose to have deadlines and the like, but as you said it really isn't that hard to register.

As far as how to vote and voting, when I went to public schools in CA we voted every year for student body government and the like.

Also we had votes daily to decide what we wanted to do for recess or PE or rainy day activity, etc.

If you really can't handle YES or NO and X in the box it is time to move to FL and vote for Nader or Buchanan to make sure GWB gets into office At least Al Gore went on to save us from ManBearPig!

im with u 100 percent. but not everyone had the chance of a good school. my highschool extra activities consisted of joining a gang, or getting beat up by one everyday.....

LA for ya

 

[Hydrosun]

im with u 100 percent. but not everyone had the chance of a good school. my highschool extra activities consisted of joining a gang, or getting beat up by one everyday.....

LA for ya

Yeah the education system is looking more and more like the penal system every year.

Fuck the government and fuck their public schools.

 

[Grizvok]

I simply cannot fathom why 164 in-state voters would vote to reject Prop 19. The lack of common sense is astounding. What the people voting no need to understand is that not everything is perfect and in terms of ACTUAL PROGRESSION for our country (i.e. getting legislation passed to begin addressing issues with which the government should have no say) getting this passed is probably the most important thing California can do.

Whining like a bitch and voting no to "hold out" for that perfect bill that will probably come in years when the original could have been amended much quicker isn't going to help.

Not to mention you can grow your own cannabis legally now....fuck those that choose NOT to spend the effort.

 

[bearded1]

I remembr when thaygave 18 year olds the vote. I was 18 never missed a major vote yet. No matter how you feel about the election if your of age and can register. you should vote its to easy to in this modern age. Every time I renew my licence they ask if i'm registarded. I vote so my brothers service never goes in vain. If you don't vote when you can then you just need to vist some where like north korea see how the other 10% live.

 

[Herborizer]

David Nick's

David Nick's

Read the whole thing here: http://cannabiswarrior.com/2010/09/...fer-madness-an-open-letter-from-j-david-nick/

For 18 years, David Nick has successfully litigated a cornucopia of issues regarding cannabis and the applicable laws in both trial and appellate courts. He has not confined his practice to marijuana law, but also litigates cases involving constitutional rights and criminal procedure.


David Nick has never lost a jury trial in a state marijuana case including many precedent setting trials involving some of the most revered figures in the medical marijuana movement such as Brownie Mary, Dennis Peron (Nick has been Peron’s sole attorney since 1994) and Steve Kubby.

PROP. 19 IS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO MMJ PATIENTS SINCE PROP. 215

Anyone who claims that Proposition 19 will restrict or eliminate rights under the Compassionate Use Act (CUA) or the Medical Marijuana Program (MMP) is simply wrong. If anything, Proposition 19 will permit individuals to grow and possess much more than ever before with patients, coops and collectives still receiving the same protections they are entitled to under the CUA and MMP.

Here is why.

The legal arguments claiming the “sky will fall” if Prop. 19 passes are based on the fallacious conclusion that the Initiative invalidates the CUA and MMP. This baseless fear stems from a flawed legal analysis which focuses on just about every portion of Prop. 19 EXCEPT the relevant portions. This flawed legal analysis is driven by an incorrect understanding of the rules of statutory construction.

Although extrinsic materials (such as legislative committee memos or voter pamphlet arguments) may not be resorted to when the legislative language is clear, courts may never ignore the purpose of the legislation. Every interpretation a court gives a statute must be consistent with the purpose of the legislation. This is why statutes have long “preambles” which explicitly state the purposes of the legislation.
This rule is so controlling that a court is required to ignore the literal language of a legislative statute if it conflicts with the purpose of the legislation. By example I call attention to the appellate court case of Bell v. DMV. In this precedent setting case, the court ruled that a statute must be interpreted to apply to civil proceedings even though the statute they were interpreting stated it applied only to “criminal” proceedings. The court’s interpretation of the statute was consistent with the purposes of the legislation and the limitation to criminal cases in the statute itself was not.

PROP. 19 PROVIDES ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS TO PATIENTS FROM THE ACTIONS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT

Section 2B presents the controlling and relevant purposes for understanding what Prop. 19 can and cannot do. This section EXPRESSLY excludes the reach of Prop. 19 from the CUA and MMP. Sections 2B (7 &

specifically state that the purpose of this initiative is to give municipalities total and complete control over the commercial sales of marijuana “EXCEPT as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.”

Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.

To further reduce everyone’s understandable anxiety over allowing municipalities to unduly control collectives, I direct everyone’s attention to the last statute of the MMP, 11362.83, which reads. “Nothing in this article shall prevent a city or other local governing body from adopting and enforcing laws CONSISTENT with this article.”

Since collectives are expressly allowed, local ordinances banning them are not consistent with the MMP. Health and Safety Code Section 11362.83, which limits municipalities ability to ban coops or overly restrict them, is unaffected by Prop. 19 as it expressly states in Sections 2B (7 &

that the laws created by Prop. 19 must be followed “EXCEPT as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.”

PROP. 19 PROTECTS PATIENTS PERSONAL AND COLLECTIVE CULTIVATIONS

Further protecting patients from local law enforcement actions, Section 11303 states that “no state or local law enforcement agency or official shall attempt to, threaten to, or in fact SEIZE or destroy any cannabis plant, cannabis seeds or cannabis that is LAWFULLY CULTIVATED.” If you are a patient, you may “lawfully cultivate” as much marijuana as medically necessary and Prop. 19 protects that right. If you are cultivating for a collective, you may “lawfully cultivate” as much marijuana as your collective allows you to and Prop. 19 protects that right. Unfortunately, many law enforcement officials refuse to recognize the rights provided under the MMP for collectives to “lawfully cultivate” and sell marijuana. Prop. 19 reinforces those rights and makes it even more difficult for law enforcement to bust a collective or collective grower.

IT WILL KEEP POLICE FROM COOPERATING WITH THE FEDS

As you can see from the above paragraph, the statutory scheme Prop. 19 creates expressly forbids law enforcement from seizing lawfully cultivated cannabis.

Prop. 19 will create an insurmountable barrier for local law enforcement which is still bent on depriving you of your rights through the despicable device of using federal law enforcement officers.

Here’s why.

Federal drug enforcement is nearly 100 percent dependent on the ability to use local law enforcement. They do not have the manpower to operate without it. Prop. 19 in no uncertain terms tells local law enforcement that they cannot even “attempt to” seize cannabis. If Prop. 19 passes, California will actually have a law on the books that expressly forbids local police from cooperating with the feds in the seizure of any “lawfully cultivated” California cannabis.

PROP. 19 DOES NOT LIMIT PATIENTS RIGHTS UNDER THE CUA & MMP

The nail in the coffin for those arguing against Prop. 19 is found in Section 2C (1). This is the only section which discusses which other laws the acts is “intended to limit” and nowhere in this section is the CUA or the MMP listed. If the purpose of Prop. 19 was “to limit” the application and enforcement of the CUA and MMP, those laws would have been listed along with all the other laws that are listed in Section 2C (1). Since the CUA and MMP were not listed, then Prop. 19 does not “limit” the CUA and MMP.

It’s that simple.

PROP. 19 MAKES IT EASIER FOR PATIENTS TO OBTAIN THEIR MEDICINE

Section 2B (6) states that one of the purposes of Prop. 19 is to “Provide easier, safer access for patients who need cannabis for medical purposes.” This section is one of the many reasons Prop. 19 is very good for patients. If Prop. 19 passes, the days of having to go through the hassle of getting a doctor’s recommendation to treat simple medical conditions will be coming to an end in those communities which allow Prop. 19 “stores” to exist. When you need an aspirin you do not have to go to a doctor and then to the health department and then to Walgreens – YOU JUST GO TO WALGREENS (the founder of which, Mr. Walgreen, became rich during prohibition by selling “medical” alcohol to patients who had obtained a prescription for alcohol from their doctor).
In those communities which are stubborn and will not allow Prop 19 “stores,” patients will still have the protections of the CUA and MMP and the statutory right to form coops and collectives. Prop. 19 specifically recognizes that these rights are not invalidated and does nothing to limit the ability of patients to cultivate or form collectives or coops.

PROP. 19 ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE A LOT OF MARIJUANA

> As an attorney called upon to defend patients and non-patients in marijuana cases, I cannot tell you how beneficial and how much freedom Section 11300 subdivision A (3) of Prop.19 will be to cannabis users. Read it!

Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls

(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to:
(i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual’s personal consumption, and not for sale.
(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of ANY harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.

Section (i) limits possession to one ounce OUT OF YOUR HOUSE. Section (iii) permits people 21 and over to have within their residence or single parcel ALL the cannabis which one grew in their 25 sq. foot parcel, including what you grew this year, what you grew last year and EVERY SINGLE 25 SQ. FT. HARVEST YOU EVER HAD ON THAT SINGLE PARCEL. This covers as many cycles of indoor and/or outdoor grown cannabis as a person can produce as long as each grow was no more than 25 square feet and done in succession.

Clearly section 11300(a) (i) limits personal possession and consumption to one ounce OUT OF YOUR HOME while section11300(a) (iii) is what you are allowed to have AT YOUR RESIDENCE if that is where your 25 sq. ft. garden is located. That this is the case is established by another rule of statutory construction, i.e. the specific controls the general. Here (iii) is the specific statute with respect to what you can have AT YOUR RESIDENCE ONLY or in the words of subdivision (iii) “on the premises where grown”.

The one ounce limitation only applies when you leave your house, not wherever it is you grow your 25 foot plot. I can picture being able to easily defend a person with 200 pounds who is not even medical.

Under Prop. 19 you can only travel with one ounce, but if you are a patient you can still enjoy the protections of the CUA and MMP and can safely travel with eight ounces, or whatever your doctor permits you to have or the needs of your collective, as allowed by the CUA and the MMP. YOUR SUPPLY PROBLEMS CAUSED BY PARANOID CULTIVATION LAWS AND POLICIES THAT AT TIMES LIMIT YOUR PERSONAL CULTIVATION PROJECTS ARE SOLVED BY PROP. 19.

Prop. 19 creates a marijuana sanctuary IN YOUR HOME ONLY. Prop. 19 allows you to have AT YOUR HOME ONLY ALL OF THE PROCEEDS of every successive 25 sq. foot plot. However, Prop 19 only allows you TO REMOVE IT FROM YOUR HOME one ounce at a time if you are a recreational user.

For patients this is not the case because Prop. 19 exempts them from the one ounce out of home restriction. As stated above, if you are a patient then you can take out of your house up to eight ounces, or whatever your doctor permits you to have or the needs of your collective.

Both medical patients and recreational users should note that Section 11300(a) (i) allows you to “share” up to an ounce which tells me that you can furnish as many one ounces to as many friends as you wish, thus if you have a party with 50 people you could give away 50 ounces.

UNDERSTANDING “NOTWITHSTANDING”

As for the argument that the various “Notwithstanding” clauses invalidate the CUA and MMP, I reiterate, that in section 2C (1) where Prop. 19 expressly states which statues are being altered, the CUA and MMP are not listed. Therefore, when you use the word “notwithstanding,” you cannot be referring to statues that have been expressly excluded.

Claiming there is some doubt as to what “notwithstanding” means or refers to requires at most that we reach back to the purpose of the legislation in order to give it proper meaning. Whatever interpretation you give it, “notwithstanding” cannot be in conflict with Sections 2 B (7 &

which exempt patients covered under the CUA and MMP from any actions taken by municipalities to regulate the non-medical use of cannabis.

The word “notwithstanding” is used when reversing prior legislation and has traditionally been interpreted by prior case law to be a word employed for the purpose of allowing conduct that had previously been forbidden by other statutes. If the word “notwithstanding” was not used in Prop. 19, municipalities would be able to claim that there is still a prohibition on their participation in the licensing and regulating of this activity.

For example, a law making skipping in front of a school illegal would be overturned by a law which says “notwithstanding other laws, skipping is legal.” If the word “notwithstanding” was not there, then skipping in front of a school would still be illegal even though skipping itself would be legal at any other location.

The rationale behind this rule emanates or comes from another rule of statutory construction which is that existing laws cannot be repealed by inference and instead must be EXPRESSLY repealed. A court cannot find that a law, such as the CUA or MMP, was changed by “implication.” In other words, it cannot repeal a law by ruling that another law implied that it should.

Although Sections 2B (7 &

gives cities control over the non-medical distribution of cannabis, that in no way allows a court to repeal or even change the CUA and MMP by ruling that it was “implicit” in Prop. 19 that they do so. It is contrary to any rational understanding of statutory construction to infer that since Prop. 19 gives cities control over the distribution of non-medical marijuana, that it also gives cities the right to control the medical distribution of cannabis beyond what the CUA and MMP allows.

The word “notwithstanding” is simply a legal necessity to repeal the various statutes that prohibit the conduct that prop. 19 now permits.

So can everyone please VOTE YES ON 19.

Sincerely,

J. David Nick
Attorney-at-Law
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[Mr Celsius]

I remember when I had to walk 15 miles in the snow, uphill, both ways to get to school, while I carried my entire family on my back and do my homework on the way, while I delivered newspapers.

Old people are funny, then again I'll be like this one day.

 

[Mr Celsius]

I simply cannot fathom why 164 in-state voters would vote to reject Prop 19. The lack of common sense is astounding. What the people voting no need to understand is that not everything is perfect and in terms of ACTUAL PROGRESSION for our country (i.e. getting legislation passed to begin addressing issues with which the government should have no say) getting this passed is probably the most important thing California can do.

Whining like a bitch and voting no to "hold out" for that perfect bill that will probably come in years when the original could have been amended much quicker isn't going to help.

Not to mention you can grow your own cannabis legally now....fuck those that choose NOT to spend the effort.

WOW, your post just changed my mind!!! Amazing, the best piece of evidence I've seen yet... you just pushed the envelope for me... I gotta vote yes now!

But seriously, your post is selfish and arrogant. I don't really care what you think, its a democracy and I can make a choice and if that choice doesn't coincide with yours I am NOT a little bitch.

 

[SCF]

Read the whole thing here: http://cannabiswarrior.com/2010/09/...fer-madness-an-open-letter-from-j-david-nick/

For 18 years, David Nick has successfully litigated a cornucopia of issues regarding cannabis and the applicable laws in both trial and appellate courts. He has not confined his practice to marijuana law, but also litigates cases involving constitutional rights and criminal procedure.


David Nick has never lost a jury trial in a state marijuana case including many precedent setting trials involving some of the most revered figures in the medical marijuana movement such as Brownie Mary, Dennis Peron (Nick has been Peron’s sole attorney since 1994) and Steve Kubby.

awesome, thank you!!!!! Hes a great lawyer and knows his shit!!!