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Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else
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I am wondering Shag,
Do you buy your prescription medicine pills or what ever besides Cannabis from the guy around the corner, making it in his basement? Why not? Because it might be adulterated, or maybe not even any of the correct medicine you wanted.
Patients who buy Cannabis or get Cannabis grown by others around the corner, are in the same boat, they really have no way to confirm their product is safe and dependable.
I understand the need of patients to have inexpensive meds that are safe, what about controls on the production of an herb that many many growers are spraying with pesticides and fungicides and selling their herb to the unsuspecting, now with BHO it has gotten even worse as it is where any herb with botrytis or PM ends up.
Also I think you are ignoring the 800,000+ people arrested yearly in the USA for Cannabis.
I support almost any legalization effort, it is the only way things will change is to get Government and Big Biz to get a piece of the pie, tax regulate and allow big biz to be involved.
The real picture is much bigger then your narrow view point, wise up.
Tax, regulate, legalize for all, hopefully with home growers allowed to produce for them selves with no commercial sales, unless they want to jump through the hoops to be sure it is safe for all, and pay taxes on their work, like everyone else.
To be honest I am tired of all the anti-legalization crowd, and of the 800,000 arrests that are the result of the lack of change.
Legalize Cannabis, the sooner the better, don't listen to anyone that says otherwise, they are confused or have a profit motive, and they will not create the change that has been needed for 75 years now.
-SamS
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I agree things are not as YOU first thought.
I thought money was the reason so many growers fight legalization?
I know it is the reason drug gangs don't want legal drugs, the same with police and the DEA they do not want it legal, they will lose money and jobs and power.
The choice is clear, fight legalization with your allies the DEA, drug gangs, and the government, or dump them all in the trash and legalize, tax and regulate. My motto for the last 40 years.
-SamS
One last thing,
I also think home growers that sell are afraid of a legal market and what will happen when the price supports (illegality) are gone. The price will fall fall fall as the biggest expense will be taxes. Lets be honest, Cannabis is not an expensive crop to grow outdoors if you live in a good area for Cannabis like the central valley Cali, it costs much the same as tomatoes or other agri crops, none of which get the price per kilo of Cannabis.
Many growers will have to find another income, so be it... 800,000 arrests a year have to stop. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution, your choice.
-SamS
I also think home growers that sell are afraid of a legal market and what will happen when the price supports (illegality) are gone. The price will fall fall fall as the biggest expense will be taxes. Lets be honest, Cannabis is not an expensive crop to grow outdoors if you live in a good area for Cannabis like the central valley Cali, it costs much the same as tomatoes or other agri crops, none of which get the price per kilo of Cannabis.
Many growers will have to find another income, so be it... 800,000 arrests a year have to stop. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution, your choice.
-SamS
Since you quote me; your point is?
Legalize yes, but don't pack away your grow tools yet ...
Legalization will certainly be a relief to many, especially in US where so many are jailed for so little, but it may not be the panacea you seem to think it is - when you at least consider the homogenizing effect big business has on any product.
Legalization looks inevitable to me, there is so much money to be made.
I'll just grow my own anyway.
Legalize yes, but don't pack away your grow tools yet ...
Legalization will certainly be a relief to many, especially in US where so many are jailed for so little, but it may not be the panacea you seem to think it is - when you at least consider the homogenizing effect big business has on any product.
Legalization looks inevitable to me, there is so much money to be made.
I'll just grow my own anyway.
I was recreating the post that shaggyballs made, your post was in it.
As for the homogenizing effect of big biz is that also true in the beer brewery biz? I thought thousands of small handmade craft brewers have sprouted up? Why not just drink big biz bud?
Legalize!!!
-SamS
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Peace
shag
shag
That statement is PURE BULLSHIT. Stop putting people in jail for using or enjoying cannabis. VOTE YES DAMNIT. Putting people in prison for ganja trumps any bullshit argument not to legalize. Hell if Peter Tosh said it, then we need to do it. Argument is over on this issue.
If legalization is modeled after beer I am ALL FOR IT
Everyone can get it anywhere cheap and high quality at the right price...competition is good for the market.
Government wont like that they hate competition!
And you can make your own if you do not like what is being offered!
YA YA YA lets legalize that way!
But unfortunately that is a bit of a fantasy.
Is it realistic to think they will let us get to that point(I personally doubt it)
Legalization is currently about money and power when that changes we have a small chance at what we all really want!
Till legalization is:
Of the People, by the People, for the People
Not money and power I am out..As any REAL Freedom fighter would be!
When you have given up all your freedom as we have started to do already....Maybe someone will say we should not have given up our right to freedom for greed and power!
More government control and less freedom to do what we wish is best for everyone right!
If you think it is not about control...then why did I have to give up my right to own a gun just to get my medicine legally?
What is with you and all the name calling!
That is the way someone reacts that has no factual defense!
Have you offered any facts?... will you ?
Or just more hot air and name calling?
Did you read the post??
You seem to be missing the fact that real people that are living the legal life are not happy!
Your answer to them is they are insane or a sociopath
You show real compassion for your fellow man in distress!
And only seem to have you personal agenda in mind!
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SooperSmurph
If anyone had any facts to offer, that'd be nice, but in reality, this entire process is new, no one has any idea what they're doing, we're fumbling around in the dark creating brand new regulations for a brand new industry. Letting people run wild doesn't work for the Feds, California proved that, right now in order to prove we're different from Cali we're going the opposite direction, over regulation, which is giving us higher prices and red tape. Balance will be achieved, eventually.
No, it's the way someone reacts when they realize that there is no need to argue facts. For the same reason I won't argue that things fall down, instead of up, I will not be arguing your ridiculous circular logic about legalization causing people to go to jail. It shows a severe disconnect with the real world, and I'm not interested in changing your skewed opinion. Have at it, man.
No need to argue the facts means....Only my opinion matters!!
No need to discuss it further says what I say is GOSPEL...Period.
It is a good thing the rest of the world does not think like you!
I show you real people with real world issues and you say it is not worth discussing??
Where is your compassion for your fellow man?
I think that shows a severe disconnect with the real world
All I ask is look around to what the current state of things are!
Not to hear my opinion!
My opinion means nothing!
People are in distress because of legalization is what is vitally important!
You seem to be stuck on what I think!
The focus of this post was supposed to be about the trials of real world people struggling with the problems of legalization.
(FACT NOT OPINION)
No need to discuss it further says what I say is GOSPEL...Period.
It is a good thing the rest of the world does not think like you!
I show you real people with real world issues and you say it is not worth discussing??
Where is your compassion for your fellow man?
I think that shows a severe disconnect with the real world
All I ask is look around to what the current state of things are!
Not to hear my opinion!
My opinion means nothing!
People are in distress because of legalization is what is vitally important!
You seem to be stuck on what I think!
The focus of this post was supposed to be about the trials of real world people struggling with the problems of legalization.
(FACT NOT OPINION)
The real problem with legalization, is there is so little of it.
800,000+ arrests in the USA last year, enough is enough.
Shag:"No so clear for some of us that will face jail time with your current plan. where as now I am compliant with the law!"
Is that 800,000+ or exactly how many have been busted because of your "fears" of legalized? Is it very close to the 800,000? Maybe we should help the 800,000 and focus on solutions to resolve their plight? Na, not if we have to legalize Cannabis, everyone knows it is just a plot to allow big biz to take over Cannabis.
Give me a break, sounds like conspiracy theory.
One thing is for sure as long as Cannabis is illegal we will have 800,000+ arrests, until they climb even higher.
-SamS
800,000+ arrests in the USA last year, enough is enough.
Shag:"No so clear for some of us that will face jail time with your current plan. where as now I am compliant with the law!"
Is that 800,000+ or exactly how many have been busted because of your "fears" of legalized? Is it very close to the 800,000? Maybe we should help the 800,000 and focus on solutions to resolve their plight? Na, not if we have to legalize Cannabis, everyone knows it is just a plot to allow big biz to take over Cannabis.
Give me a break, sounds like conspiracy theory.
One thing is for sure as long as Cannabis is illegal we will have 800,000+ arrests, until they climb even higher.
-SamS
Gawd. Some people are never happy. The rest of us here in CO are very pleased with our legalization scheme, even the straights.
Perfect? Did we get the pony we always wanted? No.
Utterly marvelous & more than we'd hoped for? Absolutely.
Doing what we can do legally in CO somewhere else, like Texas, Oklahoma or Florida is a ticket to the Big House for all too many people. They'll break your balls off, boy, feel great about doing it, too. It's what they live for.
From the tiny amount I know of you It is my belief you will profit from it directly, I could be wrong, I will let you answer that, if you are willing to!
shag
i'm not happy about wash states lcb control.
law enforcement got their way, treasury got their way, addiction centers got their way.
medical is thrown under that bus.
home grows will now be targets as they are directly competing with state tax income.
that's you and me.
legality is somewhat of a misnomer here.
I will attend the rally and voice my disappointment on june 19 in Olympia knowing the chances are small of having an impact on the visions of dollar signs.
"Dear Governer Inslee,
I have health issues which cannabis has helped tremendously. After surviving several surgeries I became addicted to the pain pills and suffered further.
Six years ago I relocated to Washinton and utilized our states medical marijuana laws to find relief. Cannabis allowed the discontinuance of those narcotic poisons.
I am fixed income senior and have qualified for Apple Health but have yet to use it.
Removing my rights under RCW61.5 to produce my own medicine will make me either a criminal, or will force me back into the health care system I just managed to escape.
were this to happen, I foresee huge expense to the state with testing, x-rays, MRIs, treatment modalities, and drugs.
This is the reality of my situation. I'm sure you can understand i'm not alone or unique in finding myself at odds with attempts by the state to provide cannabis to recreational users at the expense of the medical marijuana patients.
The medical marijuana patients should come first, then recreational users can be pandered to.
Sincerely xxxxxxx x xxxx.
cc. state legislators, state senator"
law enforcement got their way, treasury got their way, addiction centers got their way.
medical is thrown under that bus.
home grows will now be targets as they are directly competing with state tax income.
that's you and me.
legality is somewhat of a misnomer here.
I will attend the rally and voice my disappointment on june 19 in Olympia knowing the chances are small of having an impact on the visions of dollar signs.
"Dear Governer Inslee,
I have health issues which cannabis has helped tremendously. After surviving several surgeries I became addicted to the pain pills and suffered further.
Six years ago I relocated to Washinton and utilized our states medical marijuana laws to find relief. Cannabis allowed the discontinuance of those narcotic poisons.
I am fixed income senior and have qualified for Apple Health but have yet to use it.
Removing my rights under RCW61.5 to produce my own medicine will make me either a criminal, or will force me back into the health care system I just managed to escape.
were this to happen, I foresee huge expense to the state with testing, x-rays, MRIs, treatment modalities, and drugs.
This is the reality of my situation. I'm sure you can understand i'm not alone or unique in finding myself at odds with attempts by the state to provide cannabis to recreational users at the expense of the medical marijuana patients.
The medical marijuana patients should come first, then recreational users can be pandered to.
Sincerely xxxxxxx x xxxx.
cc. state legislators, state senator"
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