Vintage (Aged) Herb

[mrs moonbuds]

or you could always try some fresh too.. lol

 

[whatsupdoc]

Does anyone have experience with vacuum sealing and freezing buds? Wondering how good of a solution that is for long term storage...

Vacuum sealed in Mason jars and placed in 'long term parking' in my freezer, I've successfully kept bud for 2+ years (It was stolen at that point). I couldn't detect ANY degradation - it actually improved. I'm confident that 5 years is definitely attainable, and 10 may not be out of the question.

HTH

 

[budman678]

Give me a six month cure and I am pleased. Wuld like to toy around with 1 yr plus

 

[zachrockbadenof]

no sciencific proof, but i feel that weed after about 4/6mos in a mason jar starts to lose some potency..

 

[2000pm]

Like others have stated it seems some take to it better than others. Definitely echoing the loss of greatness on the fruity strains which is shame given my cannabis sweet tooth.

I do have a little bit of ace? panama left which has been going forever. I noticed it changed from your usual spicy woodsy sativa to a sweeter flavor over the year which I have trouble describing. It was mason jarred but not refrigerated by any means.

 

[LuckyPunch]

i like milfs!

 

[ganjaherbs]

Well folks, if possible ill try for 10 years as an experiment. No freezing, just mason jar tightly packed in a dark, cool place. I gave my friend a tiny baggy that I found buried in my basement. It was probably a few years old, the trichs were all completely amber, and probably degraded. Thing is, he said the potency was ridiculous. Taste was crap, of course, but the buzz sounded great. Wish I'd have smoked it.

 

[hogg]

I found a zip of some G-13 a family member grew who had passed away 6 years before. I purchased there old home and was rehabbing it when I found this oz in a sealed mason jar in a small cubby hole made under the floor oh yah, and a pistol and 8k in cash.
The money helped out my family and the bud was pretty good, Honestly he grew the best bud in our parts and being stored for at last 6 years it was dry but not so much as youd think it wasn't dust and it was the smoothest smoke I ever had but it wasn't as potent as the original(I have the original cut still) and didn't have nowheres near as much piney funky flavor... 6 years too long of a cure

 

[Bonghitz]

Yeah I'm with zachrockbadenof, anything longer than 4-6 months and it's never as strong. Whether it's vacuum sealed and whether you even keep the jar full through the whole process are surely contributing factors.

 

[ganjaherbs]

Yeah I'm with zachrockbadenof, anything longer than 4-6 months and it's never as strong. Whether it's vacuum sealed and whether you even keep the jar full through the whole process are surely contributing factors.

Umm, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that , I have some 2 year old og that is just as potent as when I first put it in the mason jar. Same with the green crack, GDP, and Sour Diesel I have.

 

[ganjaherbs]

Potency doesn't change much after a few years, but the smell/taste definitely does, especially if the jar is opened somewhat frequently. Same for the potency.

 

[idiit]

Vacuum sealed in Mason jars and placed in 'long term parking' in my freezer, I've successfully kept bud for 2+ years (It was stolen at that point). I couldn't detect ANY degradation - it actually improved. I'm confident that 5 years is definitely attainable, and 10 may not be out of the question.

i've smoked bud vacuum sealed in mason jars that was 20 years old and still had a good kick to it.i never got a chance to smoked fresh bud from this strain for comparison.

a buddy of mine wife was cleaning out some kitchen cupboards and found several mason jars of weed he had stashed and dated from early '90's that was labeled with just the date. the bud was kicked back for smoke but mainly to preserve the seeds in the buds. he is still coming up with different stashes he's put away and forgotten about (not all is weed ). if you saw his back yard (way out in the boon-docks) you would believe it. his wife is remodeling and they are coming across all kinds of stuff. they will need to hire a dump truck for several trips to cart off all the accumulated pack-rat stuff that he's kept over the years.

the bud was very well preserved. the smell and taste were good. it smoked like weed that was very well preserved. the seeds did not pop and i recently came across the mason jar seed germination technique and we are going to try and see if we can get this vintage line from his now deceased dad to pop with the new technique.

I've been told kelp food like Maxicrop helps germination, as well as gibberellic acid, which is going to be my last resort if I can find it. Maxicrop has directions for soaking seeds on the bottle.

I was also told about a method using a bottle and an air pump. Inside you have plain water with 10 drops of superthrive and 10 drops of DMSO per 8oz of water. Run the hose through the cap, seal it tight, and bubble the seeds in this water for 24-48 hours. So far, they've all sunk (but 1) after 24 hours. The solution is supposed to move helpful vitamins and hormones into the hardened seed. Then put in paper towel or soil as usual. So far, none have hatched, but then again they may take a long time naturally. I cracked one open, and the white goo that's usually inside had formed into what looked like a tiny cotyledon, so it was probly gonna open. This came from someone who says he grows a lot of really old seeds, and this works well on them. I've got 15 seeds going right now, I'll give em a month. After that, I'm doing 50 and gettin this show on the road.

we got to get dmso. my buddy will run this project and we will have to wait and see.

 

[Littleleaf]

I grew a 12' monster in a cattle pen on a abandoned farm. After I harvested it. I put it in a unfinished storage building behind my shop in a truck bed,under a wood fence panel to dry.
I didn't think any one would find it,Boy was I wrong. I watched in horror as two teens running, with to large bags through a hole in the chain link fence at the back of the property.
I couldn't chase them I lived in Oklahoma at the time. I'm sure you have herd how harsh they treat growers there. 25 to life just for attempted cultivation.

The next spring I was out takeing the tail lights off the truck bed and I saw the box I brought some of the bud in under the bed.
In the box was about a good qp of the bud.
Man I was so happy and the bud was a little dry but it was SO good.Some real racy sht.

Here's a crappy pic of it

 

[real ting]

In the past I have stored small nugs in glass jars for up to 4 years. It turned an amber/golden color, was still very potent, but didn't smell as good, a bit more earthy/musky. When you broke it open it still smelled good, and had a good taste as well. Was funny smoking it with people who are used to lime green headies, they'd write it off as some schwag due to the color, then get blitzed when that diesel hit them in the head.

 

[floralheart]

accidentally found 1/4 under my bed "2 years old or better". lol still worked. (white russian)

some 2 year old Blue Moon Rocks is still the shit. Will knock down most recently grown NL.

 

[señorsloth]

i kinda feel like there is a lot about curing that we haven't quite figured out, because of the black market and everything there aren't any companies out there testing ways to do it better, although i figure we could probably learn something from the very high end cigar makers, who often cure wraps and tobacco for decades before using it, and it tastes heavenly, it's hard to believe it's even the same plant that we make cigarettes from...

maybe once legalization hits full scale there will be cannabis vineyards that specialize in "vintage" aged weeds, who knows maybe it will get trendy like wine, sure there will always be people that prefer, or don't mind cheaper weed that isn't as high quality or aged at all...but there will also be a ton of people that want the best of the best, and i think that when things are legal the general overall quality standards of customers will rise(maybe not so much in med states)just because of the availability of high end weed at stores...so exotic strains and aged weed would certainly be viable niche markets for people. i think over time people will recognize that aged weed is better, once consistent processes are in place to ensure the pot stays fresh during that time.

i think a lot of people do really good jobs of curing, and maybe others not so much, and that is the reason that people assume pots potency starts dropping pretty fast after a year...if your weed is well cured and well sealed at the exact right humidity, and stored right it probably holds it's potency and flavor a long long time, though chemical changes will inevitably happen...flavors will change, and the high will evolve.

BUT, if your buds aren't PERFECTLY cured and sealed, they wont age well long term, if you have weed that is 2 months cured and ready for long term storage for instance, but you open it a few times for a few days beforehand to sample, and it happens to be pouring rain out and your air is more humid, your bud will re-moisten a little. this would cause it to lose it's flavor big time if you then seal it long term...and if you are not an expert at curing and storing your pot will still lose quality...i would think to get long term quality it takes a little practice...i mean it's pretty easy to cure pot for a few weeks or a month, but you can't be sloppy at all to get a long term cure, everything's gotta be juuuuuust right. im not even that great at getting mine to hold it's flavor more than a few months, though i don't really worry about that because it never lasts much longer than that anyway...

another thing to note about the possible myth of pots shelf life, street weed is rarely cured or at an ideal humidity, so to just seal some in a jar would probably not give you good results, i would think that uncured street weed stored in freezer bags in some warehouse for 6 months would start to lose potency, causing the majority of people who smoke to just assume all pot loses its potency that fast, and not just stuff that was stuffed in freezer bags and hidden in the corner of some warehouse, subjected to hot days and cold nights for months on end, then stored by common pot dealers in who knows what...people that smoke street pot would generally not ever get the chance to smoke some of the 2-4 year old, perfectly cured buds in this thread, or even know that it exists, so it doesn't seem very hard to believe that most people think pot loses potency and taste pretty quickly...i mean the average customer thats lucky enough to get ok tasting weed knows he only has a few days that he can keep it in that sandwich baggie before it will start to taste stale, why would he ever dream that pot could be even better after 4 years of aging?

i have never cured weed for that long, like most i either smoke it as fast as i can grow it or i find other ways to get rid of it, i am not a big time grower and i rarely have any extra stock, so saving away for long periods doesn't seem feasable right now, in the black market aging pot doesn't increase it's value at all, so it's only something you would do if you had lots of personal...although with legalization looming, lots of wine and whiskey companies don't really put out any product for years after they open, they need lots of money to start with, so they can afford to age it, then when the first batch is ready a decade later they can start making money, i figure that same thing will happen with some weed entrepreneurs, they will carefully preserve their weed for years before finally selling it as high end, exotic aged boutique pot for snobby connoisseurs...

Once prohibition is over i feel like the masses will try high-end aged pot, and they will prefer it too the uncured poop we get now...obviously, and just to compete in the future it will be the norm to see almost all pot on the market cured at least 6 months, some much much longer...sure there will always be the box wine version of pot, but i figure even that will be better than the street weed we are getting in non med states now...

sorry i blabbed on and on, little baked lol, this thread has inspired me, in 2 weeks when i harvest next i plan to cure about 7-10 grams in a small glass jar, maybe nest it in another jar to be safe and bag that lol, then bury it, i figure that will mean stable, cool temps, no light, and the approaching winter will soon seal it up in a frozen tomb for months, so i wont be tempted to try it early, then next spring when things melt i'll give it a try...my willpower with weed isn't great so its probably my only option to try aged weed haha

 

[idiit]

i've suspected for some time that microrganisms might be involved in the curing process for buds. anyone else considered this possibility?

remember the threads on the black magic african strain that you usually never get unless it's shake threads? did the decomposition of the bud structure result from micro org.'s? allegedly like chamba ( malawi) they bury it in the ground for the cure. perhaps there is some specific type of microrg in the ground that does a super good job of fixing the active components of the canna-product.

is it a coincidence that two of the most renowned psychoactive strains are both cured in the ground?

I've been obsessed with this strain since I first encountered it. I had always read that this strain came from Nigeria. Since I could not find this strain anymore I decided to see if I could recreate it at home. In my research of this plant I found that it is not only the genetics that made the bud black and powerfull but it is the cure.
I decided to find out for myself. I put a fair amount of bud that was jar cured for seven weeks in a brown paper bag and put it deep in some black rich composted soil. I left it there for twelve days. On that day I pulled out the soggy broken down bag to find soggy broken down bud. The bud was dark green and much heavyer than the jar cured bud. It also smelled of ammonia and turned moldy. I let it air dry from soggy bud to moist bud and then put it in it's own jar as to not rot the other bud. I let it dry/rot/cure to dark brown for four
months. (I think I found a way to black cure some bud at home)
The bud smoked harsher the the original fms grapefruit haze but it was not bad at all. It was about twice the power though and it was hard for myself and a buddy to finish a
single joint that was cut with less potent bud.
If I were to cange anything I would put it in cotton cloth not a paper bag. Also I would bury it in damp compost. Before I forget I did add about a fair amount of urine to the compost to kick things up a notch or two. All in all it worked. The longer it sat was the stronger and smoother it smoked. I will always black cure at least a portion of my buds from now on

An older African buddy of mine told me they would sun dry the heads then wrap them tightly in news paper or brown paper and burry them in hot composting steaming cow manure for a few days checking it regularly so as not to mold. When it reached a dark green/black colour it was removed and dried. He said it was usualy about 3 or so days in the hot manure. I imagine the high microbial activity in the composting manure may aid in the fast break down of the chlorophyll.

I don't think the buds are supposed to heavily mold. I think the high heat, moisture and microbes turn the buds dark quickly over a course of a few days and break down the stuff that makes the smoke harsh before mold can really set in.

Way back when(early nineties), I used to get this stuff from Jamaica that was identical to the description that DJ Short gives of BAM in his book. The buds were stringy, sparse, compressed and had a greasy/waxy feeling. It had that rotting meat/putrid type of smell with a faint ammonia smell in the background; which leads me to believe that it was fermented/sweat cured. The smoke was among the densest I've ever seen, the taste however left something to be desired. The high was very intense, ceilingless, and unrelenting. Novices had a hard time with this one, full on sativa rush with a good dose of paranoia for good measure that would transition into a really heavy sedative effect. This was very, very strong weed that could hold its own with any of todays strains, and then some.

^https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=41724&highlight=%22african+black+magic%22&page=3

Back in a flash, the mysterious hitcher returns with a small bag of what appears to be black shake. Very similar to the descriptions of both DJ and SOZE. It had not the appearance of the green type, and looked very different. Taking it with a smile, and with a smile in return parted ways.

Later that evening a small pin joint transformed a small get together into a gut bursting, laugh fest. The giggles to the point of water eyes, and an overall great feeling of happiness and joy. It was a special day, and one remembered where so many have been forgotten.

^https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=195739&highlight="african+black+magic"&page=2

For many Marijuana smokers, Malawi gold has reached almost a cult status. There are websites and blogs which have been dedicated to the praise of chamba.[10] In many cases, it has become the 'Cuban Cigar' of weed. Legends and myths have developed surrounding the potency of the drug, as an example, there is a popular story about visitors that came to Malawi, tried Chamba, and lost the will to return to their country of origin

Since I've never tried a real malawi cob and since I have a bit of malawi I want to play with. I'd like some help with doing some traditional curing techniques. Does afropips or anyone have any advice for making malawi cobs or zomba black cobs? Specifically how dry or cured should the herb be before wrapping it? How dry should the corn husk be and how tightly should it be wrapped? What kind of soil should I bury it in and how deep? We get freezing weather here in the winter but the soil rarely freezes past an inch or two. Any details are greatly appreciated.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=38622

 

[Lucky 7]

Guy called "The Rev" in Skunk magazine does a nice Malawi Cob cure; I believe he uses a large rubber trash receptacle, perhaps 50 gallon, filled with dirt, buries the cobs for 2 months or more, the rest I can't recall ...................

Try Googling Skunk Mag, The Rev, etc.

 

[Avinash.miles]

i dunno about the underground method but...
ya aging herb or hash def makes it finer.... ime

 

[Buddah Watcha]

8 month cure Blue Dream x g13