VerdantGreen's 104 watt micro grow with custom HG LED (ScrOG)

[daoboxer]

Good point on the 12/12..... hadn't thought about that. Only one way to find out I s'pose- wait and see what goes down in that box of sativa niceness of yours.
On an unrelated point, I'll get my own thread started when I can afford to get some decent genetics started in my garden. At the mo I've got 3 cristal limit plants from K.C. Brains under the LED- I'm not expecting them to be anything to write home about, but can't complain as the seeds were a gift from a mate. To be honest I'll be happy if they don't all turn out to be rockin ball-bags, as I've not heard good things about Brains' male:female ratios.
Peace.

 

[VerdantGreen]

look forward to seeing that daoboxer, tbh it's pretty hard to influence male/female ratio when making seeds so you should ok. only a 1 in 8 chance of getting 3 males

 

[VerdantGreen]

hi all got some photos - at around 5 weeks

haze 6 is looking very nice. a good tric coverage, on the leaf stems too - and a nice spicey/incense type smell coming on.

haze 3 - the hardcore one - is coming on too. this was a bit later to show sex and is a few days behind, but clearly a totally different pheno.

VG

 

[Blimey]

tbh it's pretty hard to influence male/female ratio when making seeds so you should ok. only a 1 in 8 chance of getting 3 males

/cries softly (4 girls, 16 boys from last 20 beans)

I wish you all the best of luck in getting 3 girls, daoboxer.

Of course, as VG shows us.....you only need one girl in a quarter of one of his tiny cabs to get quite staggering amounts of bud!

ETA: Haze 6 looking fat for 5 weeks! Nice work.

 

[daoboxer]

Yeah, I'm counting on having good enough weed-karma that at least one will be a girly! If I have to sling any fellas then I'll take a leaf from your book VG, and pot up a bit bigger in the hope of prolonging the stretch a bit and therefore reducing wasted space.... We'll see.

Blimy, you've obviously accrued some bad weed-karma....I feel your pain, bro!


On topic............looking blinding as always VG. Haze 6 doesn't look as if its gonna be all airy/fluffy buds. They look like they're gonna be buds of substance, what d'you reckon VG?
Is nice to see that variation in phenos, too.... I'm buckled in for the ride.

 

[VerdantGreen]

hey blimey - yeah the haze 6 looks like a good one for indoors. i have read that the best hazes are the longest flowering - and this looks like it might be a quick one - but the smell is encouraging ad is the tric coverage. it was the only one to look different in veg so maybe its an unusual pheno. time will tell.
hope you start to get better luck with your m/f ratio

dao yes i think it will have more substantial buds from what i see so far - but i guess the proof will be in the smoking

VG

 

[VerdantGreen]

plants coming on nicely. im falling in love with the smell of haze 6 - if its smoke's as good as the aroma then we have a keeper.

talking of which - here are the 5 tiny mums (and one dad, lucky thing) that ive been keeping. 6 mums in the space of half a seedtray.

please check the new link in my sig and support my request if you agree.

cheers

VG

 

[VerdantGreen]

right here are this weeks pics
haze 6 at 6 weeks or so. really starting to have high hopes (snigger) for this pheno. it seems pretty well behaved and the smell just gets better and better. real spiciness developing along with that sweet grassy smell.

haze 3 coming along. still stretching quite a bit. about 6 weeks too. here it is after a little training...

and a nug, or perhaps wisp would be a better term

cheers

VG

 

[blynx]

hey qdavid, i would be interested to hear about the 'bad' things that freezing pollen can do.
it only works if the pollen is fully dried - otherwise it goes mushy and is useless.

i collect the pollen on a fold of paper and then put it in an airtight container (i use a butter/margerine tub) with a load of dried rice and/or some silica gel (like the sachets that come with electrical goods etc to keep them dry).
i leave the closed container at room temp for about 24 hours. then i decant the dried pollen into a vial - or a paper wrap in a baggie will do - label and date it and freeze in a jam jar or something. i have used pollen after 6 months or so this way just fine and i think it would keep for longer.

VG

I just used some pollen that's been stored for over 3 years using pretty much the same method (I use damprid, not rice) and it worked just fine.


Your plants are looking great VG!

Are those moms haze 1 through 6 or multiple cuts of haze 3 & haze 6?

 

[VerdantGreen]

hey blynx that's good to know, thanks for stopping by, i have Deep Chunk pollen frozen thats about a year old now so it should be fine for a while - cool.
yeah thats hazes 1-6 in micro-mum form
haze 1 was a lovely short male - the shortest of the lot (i collected pollen from some of it's branches in water after i chopped the plant). all the rest are female and the only one to look different in veg was no 6 with slightly fatter leaves - which is translating to fatter buds. gawd knows when i'll get round to flowering the rest out but it should be easier from clone at least. i nearly threw all the seed plants away and used clones to flower but it seems that im getting away with it so far with the seed plants.

VG

 

[unthing]

Hopefully haze 3 finishes before summer!

 

[daoboxer]

Hiya VG.
Number 3 doesn't look as if she's ready to top out yet! I like the messy look, and its a testament to your skills that you're managing to pull it off.
Number 6 looking sweeter each update. Seems to have a nice balance, but like you said, the proof will be in the smoke.
How is the LED cab coping in the freezing temps? Mine is like a fridge.

 

[bloyd]

I see these hazes as the perfect opportunity to check the viability of that deep chunk pollen out. Looking great as usual Verdant, was waiting for a haze to come out of your micro headquarters.

 

[VerdantGreen]

unthing - yeah haze 3 looks like it's going to take it's time!

daoboxer - yeah haze 6 smell reminds me of the smell of arjan's haze 3 - which is a good short haze to try in a small cab.

as for temps it is freezing here in the UK atm, and growing in the loft is like growing in a shed or garage as far as extremes of temp go. here is a brief description of how i keep temps even. they are 65-70 atm which isnt too bad, bit low but fine.

firstly and foremost i have the intake for all my cabs (one 5" intake for all) in the ceiling of a built-in wardrobe/cupboard in the master bedroom of the house - and obviously this means the air is of a much more comfortable temp for the plants, but that is not enough - there is a 2'x1'x1' box which the air goes into first and this has 2 60 watt tube heaters in it which warms the air further before it goes into my mum cabinet which is an old kitchen wall cupboard. the lights in here help warm the air a bit more and there are 2x4" out-takes in here, one each for my two led microcabs (the old 63w one which is now a veg cab and this new 104w one with the hazes in) the air is ducted into the top of the cabs to harvest the heat from the LED lights before it hits the plants. the 104w LED also kicks out much more heat than the 63w - which is useful atm but also means that the LED's will degrade quicker). finally the air is ducted from the bottom of both the LED cabs and into the 250w hps cab. in here is the single 4" temperature controlled inline fan and can filter - the temp controlled fan is very useful because it reduces the flow in lower temps, allowing the air to warm up more as it goes through the cabs and heating chamber. lastly, the cabs are all in an insulated 'room' at one end of the loft so the heat from the hps ballast and exhaust also heats the 'room' that the cabs are in. i say room but really it is a curtain of insulated silver bubble wrap that i pull aside to access the cabs. the roof is also well insulated in this 'room'
thats how i do it. if it gets really cold i also put a tube heater in the cupboard in the bedroom ( this cupboard also serves as my drying area because the smell gets sucked into the cabs and through the can flter

bloyd - i might give that a try haze x chunk should be good.

applesauce - thanks and welcome

cheers

VG

 

[daoboxer]

Hey mate, cheers for the rundown of the extraction/temp control. Nice use of space and power, as per your general growing style.
Peace.

 

[Marley15]

Hey VG looking good, can't wait to see how the haze turns out, I love me some good sativa smoke.

Got a question for ya..I'm just about at 2 weeks 12/12 and am running out of room in my scrogs on a couple of my ladies (the sativa's), and was curious about how long the stretch usually lasts? I'm training about every 2-3 days and it is slowly becoming a nightmare! After trying this I can now see why you have the larger holes in your mod. scrogs..the 2x2 squares I am using are getting really complicated as the screen fills.

Peace,

Marley

 

[VerdantGreen]

hey marley are you two weeks in with seed plants, or clones? if seed plants did they show sex before you started counting?

 

[Marley15]

hey marley are you two weeks in with seed plants, or clones? if seed plants did they show sex before you started counting?

They are all clones, 2 Larry OG and 2 Diablo OG. The two Larry's are sativa dominant and are almost outgrowing their scrog already. 1 Diablo looks just about perfect in the scrog and the other is not going to fill out hers I don't think.

Just curious how much longer I can expect the Larrys to stretch, not too concerned about the others as they have plenty of room. First day of 12/12 was 11/15/10.

Peace,

Marley

 

[VerdantGreen]

well marley it can be hard to generalise but your sats should stop stretching in a week or two at the outside. remember that when the screens are full you can take up some stretch as they grow upwards and a few inches of growth above the screen can be great for yield.

when thay have stopped stretching, if the growth is very congested then dont be scare to cut a few of the weaker stems/sideshoots off completely if they are trying to grow in the same space.

cheers

VG

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey Verdant,
Boy is it Cold here Brrrrrrrrr, Snowing like hell here man. RH is silly low ah, my temps are OK but im not in an attic like you, gas central heating to full blast & its Minus 13 at night outside, i use air from inside the house . I like the way you have your intake heated, Genius bro! Can you show us a few pics of it when you have the time, you have really givin me a direction to move in the future, i could never solve that problem so n1! Loving the Hazes, do you use hst stem crush to halt stretch at all?