VEG/YIELD

[Guest]

3 to 5 ounce plant...not buds guy..you grow single cola i grow plants..5 ounces isint that hard off of a plant....this will be my last post on you too...happy growing..and some pics of my next plant that gets the chop...peace to all thread starter any questions on teqnique it would probably be best to talk to the super star on your thread mr sea of green,,this plant i predict 3 or 4 ounces what do you think

yea, I know , your the guy that grows 5 oz. buds
this isnt a debate,since im probably old enough to be your daddy and have grown for many years there's probably not much a wet nose kid can tell me. I dont claim to be gods gift of growing I also know better than to claim to be growing 3-5 oz buds.
I think it would be a good idea to start your own thread, i dont really care but both of us need to quit stepping on steve greens thread, so this is the last reply to ya on this thread , start your own if necessary

this one goes in today she will be at least a quarter pound

 

[steve green]

WOW WHAT A BIG BUD!!! your third pic unicorn is just silly ..i love those colas
how much does just one of those top buds weigh dry?
what strain is that?

 

[Guest]

that is kali-mist my favorite..i have been growing this cut for 2 years...lots of strains have went through my garden she stays they all go..lol..the plant in veg is the same cut of the white widow x boggle gum(i made this cross) that the sog man says is not 2 ounces...this particular ww x bogglegum will be at least a quarter pound...the kali-mist always surprise me i have never got less than 2 ounces of of her and i dont veg more than 2 weeks in dwc...14 up to 21 grams on the tops...when you dial in your space its easy to achieve over 3 ounces per plant in hydro with little veg...but you have to know the keepers from the loosers..most growers pick the wrong pheno lacks somewhere or another...thats why its good to make your keepers the best of the bunch...most lack in selecting the rite pheno..you have to mark your clones and mothers and document there first grow...than make your selection based on what you consider to be the best of your choices...the way i like to do this is i veg plants from seed document which grew fastest take clones throw the originals immediately in flower document how they grow and smoke etc. etc. and select keeper clones accordingly..

WOW WHAT A BIG BUD!!! your third pic unicorn is just silly ..i love those colas
how much does just one of those top buds weigh dry?
what strain is that?

 

[betterboy]

got some baby pics for ya steve, this table is just a 4'x4' and has 49 plants, I pulled 1 out to get a better view at it, these will be cut in 3 days. I'll get some pics during the cut to show ya. This bud is probably pretty much the larger with the rest close behind and it seems that there is always a runt or two but all in all pretty good.This buds length is 17" and in center 3" wide, tight and sticky and is lit by 2 600hps, thats 75 watts per sq ft. My guess is this bud will weigh out after dried 24-28 grams. Ill post the total weight next week
With your cab size , you wont want to veg long! These were veg'ed 11 days and the plant height was on a avg. of 8" tall when starting 12/12. strech will vary with strains, these are HOG and some HDF on this table.

 

[Guest]

Damn I hated hog betterboy,did you get a good pheno or something?Must have,my people wouldnt be happy with the TH seeds hog I grew lol,very unchronic.You guys do crack me up though,I think if I have to see one more of your plants unicorn I'm going to call the police!On principal!!Just kidding bro of course,I'm sure they are as amused at this swordfight with MJ pics as I am.

 

[betterboy]

Actually I started 6 HOG and 4 were keepers, Where I had a problem is with the HDF,I went through 2 packs of seeds and all were junk , when bitchin bout it back in the OG days a friend offered to give me a cut of his mom's, he went through 3 packs of seeds and a shit load of time just to find 2 keepers.

 

[Pops]

Steve, I too grow with soil and I will tell you right now that we will not get the kind of yields that Unicorn and betterboy are getting. Soil produces about half as much as hydro.

The big difference comes in veg, as hydro will get your plants bigger faster. I don't care to get into a pissing match with anyone on yields, but Unicorn is right is saying that he can get 5 oz. PER PLANT, as he stated. As I said earlier, I have gotten 16-18 oz. from one plant in soil. It depend on variety, lighting, veg time and the space you have to work with.

Good luck with your grow.

 

[Suby]

Well once again

Here are some key concept on maximizing yield, and as Willie pointed out there is no question that a longer veg time leads to a greater yield.
There is also no question in my mind that a canopy type grow will outproduce a single cola type grow but it will not produce large colas, it will produce a shitloas of medium size colas by maximizing the buds that make into your lights "sweet spot".
I think for what you are shooting for you could simply cut the tops off in early veg to increase the # of main stems to about 3-4 and that would produce larger buds with better yield.
Also you want to fight stretch as much as possible, growth nodes that are tight and close together will produce long buds that will thicken adequately instead of alot of popcorn type buds wich are great for little else but hash.
Lothar trained me to trim every small bud under the main canopy so that energy is concentrated on the upper growth so as to get thicker buds.
Now listen up because alot of growers don't take this into account, you must use alot of soil, don't think that a well trained plant in 5gallons of soil will outdo 4 untrained plant each in 5 gal of soil, not gonna happen.
I recommend making a plywood box that is the size of the bottom of the cab, or a few boxes that will do the same when glued together, this will use all the soil mix possible under the canopy, go deep with the soil too, as much as your setup allow within reason.
This has translated into larger yields for alot of my grower friends but then again I canopy train and LST train under an old 400Watter with a decrepid bulb, I only grow for myself so I'm after potency and quality and yield is not on my radar unless I'm doing a commercial grow with my peeps.
I do find that a mature plant that has vegged a minimum of 3-4 weeks produces a more robust and heavy yielding plant, that's why I never grow from seeds, I grow moms before and use her clones.

That's it for now, I'll come back with more shit later if you'd like.

S

 

[Guest]

Pops I know what you mean but I do a perpetual grow in soil and I'm constantly trying to slow my vegging plants down.I growin 4 inch pots until they are 6-8 inches and need water every other day,then I transplant up.I'm at 15/9 I wouldnt want to go 14/10 even though I have before,I dont like giving vegging plants 10 hours dark.I dont know what else I can do really to slow them down besides topping of course.If they vegged any faster I'd be in trouble.Its always the same when I go on a pheno hunt.First,I grow out the seedplants which is downright goofy,damn I wish I'd listen to myself lol.I have first generation Ice clones in flower now that are way too tall,close to 4 ft lol!Shit what a timing mess and if I cant slow down these 2 nd generation clones in veg somehow,I'm going to have the same problem.GOD I cant wait to get these seedplants outta here.dont make my mistake!

 

[steve green]

Well once again

Lothar trained me to trim every small bud under the main canopy so that energy is concentrated on the upper growth so as to get thicker buds.
Now listen up because alot of growers don't take this into account, you must use alot of soil, don't think that a well trained plant in 5gallons of soil will outdo 4 untrained plant each in 5 gal of soil, not gonna happen.
S

can u talk about triming all the small buds like "lothar" trained you? and how a plant in the same amount of soil without LST can produce the same from one with LST? maybe i fcked up that question...just refer to your quote.
i like that idea of letting the light concentrate on the top cola only.

unicorn: .. i also have nver really known what type to pick for a mother..they often all look reletivly the same. i often just grab the one that looks the healthiest..any tips on picking the right PHENO (i barely know what that even means lol) ,,that cali mist looks great!! i want to try that strain one day,,looks like u get good results every time..lol your the man with the pics,A true PICTURE PIMP!( keep showin off. i encourage it

BETTERBOY: nice pics, i really like the single cola plant looks great and im sure it will give an oz.. and u only started to flower them when they were 8"tall right..when i get more space i will deffinetly set up a nice continous S.O.G......

POPs: yeah i relize hydro grows them much faster, even though i've never grown hydro,too scared of electricuting myself and burning down wherever im at!!!(thats gotta be the parinoia from smoking for so long lol), i still know it grows faster,,i'm sticking with soil and soiless mixture, for medium. but might try hydro in the future..maybe

thnx again everyone for stopping in and keeping this thread alive and giving suggestions/ideas
im new to this site since Og ,,i think this will be my new home.. theres alot of people here who just want to help...thats great also in the future plan on giving some help back or make a diy for someone in need...
man i love this plant!

 

[Guest]

well like i said you need to grow out at least a pack of good beens and determine which is best for you after growing the mothers out and seeing with your own eyes which grew with the most vigor ,..etc etc..
this mist is the same one in flush just took some more pics with a tape measure..lol

can u talk about triming all the small buds like "lothar" trained you? and how a plant in the same amount of soil without LST can produce the same from one with LST? maybe i fcked up that question...just refer to your quote.
i like that idea of letting the light concentrate on the top cola only.

unicorn: .. i also have nver really known what type to pick for a mother..they often all look reletivly the same. i often just grab the one that looks the healthiest..any tips on picking the right PHENO (i barely know what that even means lol) ,,that cali mist looks great!! i want to try that strain one day,,looks like u get good results every time..lol your the man with the pics,A true PICTURE PIMP!( keep showin off. i encourage it

BETTERBOY: nice pics, i really like the single cola plant looks great and im sure it will give an oz.. and u only started to flower them when they were 8"tall right..when i get more space i will deffinetly set up a nice continous S.O.G......

POPs: yeah i relize hydro grows them much faster, even though i've never grown hydro,too scared of electricuting myself and burning down wherever im at!!!(thats gotta be the parinoia from smoking for so long lol), i still know it grows faster,,i'm sticking with soil and soiless mixture, for medium. but might try hydro in the future..maybe

thnx again everyone for stopping in and keeping this thread alive and giving suggestions/ideas
im new to this site since Og ,,i think this will be my new home.. theres alot of people here who just want to help...thats great also in the future plan on giving some help back or make a diy for someone in need...
man i love this plant!

 

[Suby]

can u talk about triming all the small buds like "lothar" trained you? and how a plant in the same amount of soil without LST can produce the same from one with LST? maybe i fcked up that question...just refer to your quote.
i like that idea of letting the light concentrate on the top cola only.

Popcorn buds are the small buds that grow on the lower and more shaded part of the plant canopy, they never get very big because of the lack of light.
What we do is trim them, you leave the fan leaf but you trim the small airy buds that don't get any light, this keeps it from using energy that would be of more use to the main bud.
Any training method can work, I go all out and top followed suppercropping and LST train the resulting branches, it's alot less complicated than it sounds.
For your purposes just top the plant early in veg, this will force the lower nodes to "catch up" resulting in mutiple braches, as these get taller you can tie them down slightly to open the plant up to more light.
As far as the whole soil thing goes, simply put more is better, make sure that use the biggest pot that fits in you room for a given plant, don't grow 2 monster size plant in just a little bit of soil.
For optimal result for every foot of plant that is somewhat trained you shoul have 1 1/2gallon of soil availble, so a 3ft plant should be in at least 5 gallons of soil roughly.

Avoid LST training if you want large colas, it's more of a scrog method.

S

 

[steve green]

merci beaucoup monsiour!

 

[Megawattfarmer]

Good info on this thread. I too have to snicker at the "sword fighting" comment. They even both have tape measures! Nice plants tho... Just picturing two guys swordfighting with colas in one hand tape measure in the other. lol

I recommend making a plywood box that is the size of the bottom of the cab, or a few boxes that will do the same when glued together, this will use all the soil mix possible under the canopy, go deep with the soil too, as much as your setup allow within reason.

Hey Suby, do you have any more info on this? I was thinking about doing this for a runted-up from-seed SCROG. Was wondering what people do for a lineer, drain, etc...

BTW - I agree with maximizing the light and getting good yield by using multiple budsites, hence the SCROG.

 

[Guest]

scrog we dont need no stinking scrog just speaker wire whip that bitch in to shape..i lst everything..i guess thats why i got small colas

Good info on this thread. I too have to snicker at the "sword fighting" comment. They even both have tape measures! Nice plants tho... Just picturing two guys swordfighting with colas in one hand tape measure in the other. lol





Hey Suby, do you have any more info on this? I was thinking about doing this for a runted-up from-seed SCROG. Was wondering what people do for a lineer, drain, etc...

BTW - I agree with maximizing the light and getting good yield by using multiple budsites, hence the SCROG.

 

[Guest]

When I pick a pheno I make my choice from the flowered clone,this means growing out a few generations of clones dropping undesirable phenos along the way until your left with the most desirable pheno.Never take a mom in veg,and its best not to make the decision from the flowered seedplant if you flower her out,the flowered clone should be all your interested in.

 

[Suby]

Hey Suby, do you have any more info on this? I was thinking about doing this for a runted-up from-seed SCROG. Was wondering what people do for a lineer, drain, etc...
BTW - I agree with maximizing the light and getting good yield by using multiple budsites, hence the SCROG.

Poeple who are only about the large colas don't know shit about yield but that's OK, because growers who are really after yield know that it's all about canopy growing with a SOG, SCROG, or even a well trained and tied down plant.
What I've done in the past is make a plywood box that was relatively deep and that took up as much room in the cab as I could spare, a square pot will contain much more soil than a round one, just like 4 circles in a square cover less than 4 perfect squares inside a same square (i hope that is clear).
What I do with the box is fold some liner, it could be artificial lake liner, pool liner, or even exterior plastic insulation covering, and tack it into place then I make 2 x 1" holes and oposite coners of the box and tack a pice of mosquito meshing over the whole.
That's it, it makes for more soil in the same space, I even put wheels on the box to move it around easily.
What I also like to do to maximize air to the roots is line the bottom of these boxes with 2" of hydroclay, those clay bead thingies lol, air makes it's way from the bottom like a Dutch Growbed.

 

[Lucky 7]

this is entertaining if nothing else . . . looks like I'm gonna have to pick up the slack around the compound!! If you want more pot, veg outdoors for three months!

I get so much off one plant I swim in the shit. (I don't sell)

Unicorn:

scrog we dont need no stinking scrog just speaker wire whip that bitch in to shape.

lmao

Best thread we've had around here in quite some time, what with all the rampant paranoia . . . we might actually learn something!

 

[steve green]

thanx for dropping in MeggaWatt
hey suby,, why can't i love BIG COLAS? cuase im a shit grower? even though i completly understand the fact that u WILL get more weight with multiple bud sites with a s.o.g,scrog and lst. does that mean i know shit about yields? just because im considering growing huge colas for a change, and not average size buds ( even if theres more of them),even if i lose some weight.

the point of this thread is just to see some "OPTIONS" availabe B4 the plant goes into flowering. i just want people to share there experience.
with all kinds of great growers stopping in and giving their 2cents.
Hopefully this thread can help some people.(including myself )

 

[Guest]

i crush stems for bigger colas..what no one is telling you is...its not what you do but how you do it that determines success..every style can be as efficient as another if done properly