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VEG/YIELD

Pops

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Really nice pics, Unicorn! That cab looks full and frosty. I grow another style, all my grows are tree style, which entails a little more vegging. Sorry I can't show pics. Don't own a camera and even if I did, too damn computor illiterate to load and display them.

Imo, it depends on what style of growing you do, whether in soil or hydro and whether you use horizontal or vertical lighting.

I tree grow in soil with vertical lighting. Horizontal lighting will not get the bottom buds big at all in tree grows. You wind up with a ton of popcorn. If I grow AK-47 up to 16-18 inches and then flower, I only get a couple oz. IF I veg them to 36 inches before flower, I can triple the yield. My best yield off Ak-47 was some plants that I vegged for 10 weeks. They wound up over 6 feet and yielded 16 oz. I had an Afghan Bullrider next to it that yielded 18 oz.

It all depends on the space and time that you have. I like to use a modified or partial LST. At 2-3 weeks of veg, I will tie the top sideways and let 3-4 of the top branches grow until they are as tall as the main cola. Then I release it and let them veg another 5-6 weeks. This gives me several main colas.

I generally trim the bottom 20% of the plant at 2-3 weeks into flower, as those buds produced will be small, and I want the energy of the plant to go into the top and side colas. Some predominately sativa plants, like AK-47 and trainwreck, will form a lot of small branches in the interior of the plant, where they get little light, even using 1000 watters. Around the 4th week and beyond, i keep trimming these small, weak branches out of the interior.

Each person has his own way of growing. I couldn't do what I do with horizontal lights. I just wouldn't get the penetration that I do with 1000w verticals. By doing tree grows, I keep the plant numbers down, but that still is not going to help you much if the cops see a dozen 6' tall plants.

Guinapig recently got popped with one large plant in a 10 gal. pot, and the cops took all kinds of his shit. Last I heard, he hasn't been charged, but who knows. Even one plant in a non-medical state can get your ass in deep shit, regardless of yield.
 
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If the decision is between a 3 day veg or a 2 week veg. How can you argue over
2 weeks for 2 more ounces. Thats a no brainer!

It works!
 
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i usually trim the colas down to 6 inches when i harvest some are 20 inches
the biggest i have weighed is 21 grams dry off a kali-mist top...my drying method i separate buds from stems except last six inches of each top...these is the way i dry...racks of bud each rack hold approximately an ounce...my vertical grow space is 5ft 1 ft of that is taken by the tubs..so four ft..my 600 light has no problem penetrating..i do all the trimming i am going to do within thirty days of flowering...i run perpetual so its never to crowded in my space...peace

steve green said:
easy boys,, im sure both of u are capable of producing bomb ass weed, this is not a competition, just wanted to see some dry yield weight averages...and figure out ways if any about extended veg time to produce bigger yields..(pref big fat buds though lol) all these pics are mouth watering...unicorn how much does one of those big colas weigh dry if u picked the biggest....and those are from l.s.t?.....
 
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steve green

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Willie Nillie said:
If the decision is between a 3 day veg or a 2 week veg. How can you argue over
2 weeks for 2 more ounces. Thats a no brainer!

It works!
....
no dissrespect Willi Nillie but im talking 1 month or 2 ,veg ..maybe longer..
I gree if u can do it 2 weeks over 2 days ..do it... :joint:
but i wanna see if the plant will produce a much larger yield with alot of extra veg time without the loss of potency and characteristics..thats why i wanted everybodys personal experiences.. and now .(after seeing a couple of Unicorn pics)i am kinda intrested in seeing if i can maintain massive colas with low stress training as if the buds were from a regularly grown tree shape plant.


POPs: thnx for stopping in, and sharing some experience :woohoo:
it seems u are benefitting from extra veg time ..sounds like your doing hydro? i'm doing soil-organic...hmmm 6foot trees?...i have a 6 foot cab ...hmmmmm??????????? :chin:
 
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betterboy

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I grow In 2 F&D tables and harvest a 4'x7' table every 30 days usually getting 75-76 oz's on each grow. When my plants get cut , I sterlize everything and the next day the table is reloaded with 2 week veg'ed plants and in flowering that day
So if ya do the math
75 x 12= 900 OZ's per year
Myself this is why I like sog growing, I cant compare 1 of my plants to 1 tree grow( a plant veg'ed 2-3 months),but per year , with the space im using its hard to beat the sog grow
 
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well obviously a commercial grower is going to look at it that way...im happy with my half pound a month..but its about the green plant...not the paper with me
betterboy said:
I grow In 2 F&D tables and harvest a 4'x7' table every 30 days usually getting 75-76 oz's on each grow. When my plants get cut , I sterlize everything and the next day the table is reloaded with 2 week veg'ed plants and in flowering that day
So if ya do the math
75 x 12= 900 OZ's per year
Myself this is why I like sog growing, I cant compare 1 of my plants to 1 tree grow( a plant veg'ed 2-3 months),but per year , with the space im using its hard to beat the sog grow
 

steve green

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hey better boy thats alot of dope...sounds good...how much light are u using?

and Unicorn i would be very greatful for half a pound every month,,oh that would keep me very happy :) but right now i only have a 6 foot cab to work with..that will change in the future to probably a whole room.. hopefully then i might do something big like better boy.... BUT i agree its all about the green!!!!!!! money and weed lol
 

betterboy

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I use 2400 watts hps on each table, but gives nice rock hard buds, A 3'x6' table will hold 84- 5 1/4" pots which ya can get by with 1800 watts each, American Archetec puts out a nice heavy duty table, got just picked one up at the hydro shop for $139.00 and have a lake dock float for a res. holds 65 gal. of water. But like I said sog isn't for just hydro, I've done this in 1 gal. grow bags to and works well, its all bout personal likes and taste, I think the hydro grows faster(VEG) but soil has its advantages to
 

steve green

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sounds good,,yeah i really never spent much time learning about hydro...i've always used soil, or soiless mixture... i still cant get over my fear of electricity and water lol...one day i'll try...... 4800 watts! thats alot of light for me . but for the amount u grow a year,,it pays for itself..
In my cab im using my 400 watt hps, ..and some cfl's...
but fuck would i like to get a nice continuous grow started and get some super high yields at the end of the year. u get like 56 lbs at the end of the year betterboy?!! to me thats sick,,,even if its a commercial grow,,, i dont care ..i like knowing that you can pull out harvests like that,,sog's really working for u...maybe for me once i start some clones...
 
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if i have not grown up yet i dont think it will happen..this little kid is most likely your Senior..i can still play want to start a thread little vs big...come on lets play...commercial vs personal...lets make a pole what would people rather have some ones personal homegrown or commercial mass produced bud
betterboy said:
yep, when ya grow up ya might be able to play with the big kids!
 
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thats funny you pull 59.4 pounds a year and i pull 12 with a 600 watt bulb and some icechest and a handmade ghetto box and no c02..who is better at what they do...actually i think your math is wrong..but you did it
betterboy said:
I grow In 2 F&D tables and harvest a 4'x7' table every 30 days usually getting 75-76 oz's on each grow. When my plants get cut , I sterlize everything and the next day the table is reloaded with 2 week veg'ed plants and in flowering that day
So if ya do the math
75 x 12= 900 OZ's per year
Myself this is why I like sog growing, I cant compare 1 of my plants to 1 tree grow( a plant veg'ed 2-3 months),but per year , with the space im using its hard to beat the sog grow
 
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Tokabowl

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lol

unicorn said:
thats funny you pull 54.4 pounds a year and i pull 12 with a 600 watt bulb and some icechest and a handmade ghetto box and no c02..who is better at what they do...actually i think your math is wrong..but you did it

Thats correct Unicorn:yes:,
with 600W and your approx 15? square ft (absolute guess from pics) of cabinet space,
you pull 0.0013 Pounds/Watt/SqFt/Year,

and betterboy, with 4800W, 56 square feet of flood tables and CO2,
you pull nearly 0.0002 Pounds/Watt/SqFt/Year



:wave:
 
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fantastic guess my friend...5 1/2ft wide 2 1/2 deep 5 1/2 ft tall
Tokabowl said:
lol



Thats correct Unicorn:yes:,
with 600W and your approx 15? square ft (absolute guess from pics) of cabinet space,
you pull 0.0013 Pounds/Watt/SqFt/Year,

and betterboy, with 4800W, 56 square feet of flood tables and CO2,
you pull nearly 0.0002 Pounds/Watt/SqFt/Year



:wave:
 
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Tokabowl

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On another note steve, ive personally had bigger yields with longer veg times using LST, although you wont get HUGE colas, you get a few decent sized ones that are quite uniform... I recently harvested some plants that i had only given 11 days of veg from seed, and the yield would definitely have been higher had i let them veg another couple of weeks... Quality/potency wise I believe it remains the same however much veg they get...
All in all, if youve got the space and the pot size to do it, veg as long as you can imho, train them if you want nice multiple "medium" colas, or let them be for a big fat cola at the top (again height permitting, coz if youre lookin a 2 months veg, without any training youre gonna have some trees).
Hope this helps a bit, if you have any more Qs, fire away

Peace
:joint:
 

Dan42nepa

Member
I veged for two full months, didnt top or fm and since it was my first grow I wanted to see how the northern lights plants grew (size etc). I have a second grow going in another room from clones. I will probably only veg for about a month but use smaller pots for more plants. I have to say 2 months in a progression of pots under good lights (400w MH) I have 20 plus bud sites per plant. (4 out of 6 were female)
 

betterboy

Member
yea, I know , your the guy that grows 5 oz. buds
this isnt a debate,since im probably old enough to be your daddy and have grown for many years there's probably not much a wet nose kid can tell me. I dont claim to be gods gift of growing I also know better than to claim to be growing 3-5 oz buds.
I think it would be a good idea to start your own thread, i dont really care but both of us need to quit stepping on steve greens thread, so this is the last reply to ya on this thread , start your own if necessary
 

steve green

Member
thanks for dropping by TOKKABOWL and DAN42NEPA

...
what do u guys think about just trying to produce one singlle cola per plant, but letting it veg for like 2 months? is that even possible? /benificial? i dont know if the method is PRUNING ( i dont think so.)but i heard u can just cut of all the small bud area's and lower branching,,just to focus on 1main bud site...?is that true? maybe its called something else? the thing is making a huge bush will give multiple bud sites like dan42nepa said his plant has..but i figure that dry weight from all those budsites will be small or medium sized buds,,, thats why i want to see if a longer veg and some type trimming or training can be used to form one massive cola per plant?? sorry for rambling ...

ps: my cab size is.. 5' 7" H 2'5" W 1' 3" D (depth) incase anyone's wondering...

if anyone has any nice BIG cola pictures.. whith dry weight and method grown
please feel free to share ..and give people like me an idea of whats out there.

thnx for all the help everyone. :)
 

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