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I remember years ago the feelings about using human waste as fertilizer for rice fields. Just my .02 worth.
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firstavailable
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OK, all joking aside, using urine does work, but you need to do it right.
When I was growing, I used urine as a fert exclusively with excellent results.
Yes, if you water your plants with pure undiluted urine, they will die. No shit.
<sarcasm>
Feeding your plants with an undiluted concentrated fertilizer hurts them? Really?
</sarcasm>
Next time you are feeding your plants with AN, or BC hydro, or Floura Nova, or whatever concentrated commercial nute you prefer to use, try using it strait up without diluting it, and see what happens.
The proper way to use urine is to dilute it in water. A solution between 1:15 and 1:10 works best. When properly diluted it is next to impossible to hurt your plants. This works equally well in hydro or soil. When properly diluted, there is little to no smell. Especially compared to the wonderful aromas that most organic nutrients produce.
While it is true that the most abundant nutrient in urine is N, that is not to say that it is the only nutrient it contains. There are MANY micronutes in urine, as well as a good bit of P and K. During bloom, some people like to add supplementary P and K, although this is not absolutely necessary for a good harvest. Urine also provides an excellent bed for the development of beneficial bacteria. This is especially true in soil and biofilter style hydro. In addition, urine contains chemicals and hormones that help in root and vegetative growth.
Another popular myth is that urine is somehow poisonous or contains bacteria and pathogens. Nothing can be further from the truth. Urine is merely a concentrated water solution of the vitamins, minerals, and nutrients that your body takes in but does not use. Unless you have a specific ailment such as a urinary tract infection or an STD, when urine exits the body, it is completely sterile. For this reason, fresh urine is often used to flush out battle wounds during war. In case you are wondering, the pathogens that our bodies produce are excreted through the bowels, which is why it is a bad idea to use uncomposted shit for your plants.
Another myth is that urine needs to be “composted” or “cured” before it can be used as a fertilizer. Again, not true. You can use urine to make fertilizer solution right away. In fact, this is preferable to using “cured” urine.
Yet another myth is that the nutrients in urine are somehow magically not able to be used by plants. Again, not true. The chemical composition of the nutrients in urine is the same as the chemical composition of the nutrients in any other organic fertilizer. The plant doesn’t know the difference between nitrogen obtained from human piss or cow shit. Nitrogen is nitrogen. Nutrients are nutrients.
Regarding the “If I’m not willing to eat it myself, I’m not willing to feed it to my plants” mentality. Yea, this makes a lot of sense. Are you willing to eat cow shit? How about bat shit? How about worm shit? How about ground up cow bones? Dried up fish guts anyone? How about synthetic chemicals obtained from petroleum byproducts (where did you think chem. ferts. came from)? Would you be willing to grind up hamburgers and pizza and run that in your DWC bucket? How about watering with coke or Pepsi? Perhaps bury a nice juicy steak into your soil?
Regarding the “gross/yuck factor”. Human and animal urine has been used as fertilizer for crops for thousands of years. In fact, it is still widely used today. Switzerland has recently implemented a program to convert liquid waste (urine) from sewage into fertilizer. The high nutrient value in urine is the primary reason for unhealthy algae growth in parts of the oceans/lakes where sewage is dumped. The algae get this super high nutrient and grow super fast.
I hope this post doesn’t come off as negative or confrontational. That is definitely not my intent. Urine is used as a free and viable nutrient by many growers. I’m just trying to inform and spread knowledge. I would be more than happy to discuss/answer questions regarding the use of urine as a fertilizer.
I’m not sure about the policy of cross linking on this forum, so I won’t post any links. However if anyone is interested in seeing some success stories of urine being used in either hydro or soil, do a search for foto420 on overgrow. He has a couple very nice hydro grows and harvests using urine exclusively, as well as with PK supplements during bloom. Also, my pic gallery on OG has pictures of my plants grown in soil and fed with urine exclusively.
When I was growing, I used urine as a fert exclusively with excellent results.
Yes, if you water your plants with pure undiluted urine, they will die. No shit.
<sarcasm>
Feeding your plants with an undiluted concentrated fertilizer hurts them? Really?
</sarcasm>
Next time you are feeding your plants with AN, or BC hydro, or Floura Nova, or whatever concentrated commercial nute you prefer to use, try using it strait up without diluting it, and see what happens.
The proper way to use urine is to dilute it in water. A solution between 1:15 and 1:10 works best. When properly diluted it is next to impossible to hurt your plants. This works equally well in hydro or soil. When properly diluted, there is little to no smell. Especially compared to the wonderful aromas that most organic nutrients produce.
While it is true that the most abundant nutrient in urine is N, that is not to say that it is the only nutrient it contains. There are MANY micronutes in urine, as well as a good bit of P and K. During bloom, some people like to add supplementary P and K, although this is not absolutely necessary for a good harvest. Urine also provides an excellent bed for the development of beneficial bacteria. This is especially true in soil and biofilter style hydro. In addition, urine contains chemicals and hormones that help in root and vegetative growth.
Another popular myth is that urine is somehow poisonous or contains bacteria and pathogens. Nothing can be further from the truth. Urine is merely a concentrated water solution of the vitamins, minerals, and nutrients that your body takes in but does not use. Unless you have a specific ailment such as a urinary tract infection or an STD, when urine exits the body, it is completely sterile. For this reason, fresh urine is often used to flush out battle wounds during war. In case you are wondering, the pathogens that our bodies produce are excreted through the bowels, which is why it is a bad idea to use uncomposted shit for your plants.
Another myth is that urine needs to be “composted” or “cured” before it can be used as a fertilizer. Again, not true. You can use urine to make fertilizer solution right away. In fact, this is preferable to using “cured” urine.
Yet another myth is that the nutrients in urine are somehow magically not able to be used by plants. Again, not true. The chemical composition of the nutrients in urine is the same as the chemical composition of the nutrients in any other organic fertilizer. The plant doesn’t know the difference between nitrogen obtained from human piss or cow shit. Nitrogen is nitrogen. Nutrients are nutrients.
Regarding the “If I’m not willing to eat it myself, I’m not willing to feed it to my plants” mentality. Yea, this makes a lot of sense. Are you willing to eat cow shit? How about bat shit? How about worm shit? How about ground up cow bones? Dried up fish guts anyone? How about synthetic chemicals obtained from petroleum byproducts (where did you think chem. ferts. came from)? Would you be willing to grind up hamburgers and pizza and run that in your DWC bucket? How about watering with coke or Pepsi? Perhaps bury a nice juicy steak into your soil?
Regarding the “gross/yuck factor”. Human and animal urine has been used as fertilizer for crops for thousands of years. In fact, it is still widely used today. Switzerland has recently implemented a program to convert liquid waste (urine) from sewage into fertilizer. The high nutrient value in urine is the primary reason for unhealthy algae growth in parts of the oceans/lakes where sewage is dumped. The algae get this super high nutrient and grow super fast.
I hope this post doesn’t come off as negative or confrontational. That is definitely not my intent. Urine is used as a free and viable nutrient by many growers. I’m just trying to inform and spread knowledge. I would be more than happy to discuss/answer questions regarding the use of urine as a fertilizer.
I’m not sure about the policy of cross linking on this forum, so I won’t post any links. However if anyone is interested in seeing some success stories of urine being used in either hydro or soil, do a search for foto420 on overgrow. He has a couple very nice hydro grows and harvests using urine exclusively, as well as with PK supplements during bloom. Also, my pic gallery on OG has pictures of my plants grown in soil and fed with urine exclusively.
G
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ducky u silly fuck u
ducky u silly fuck u
don't use piss as fertilizer unless you honestly don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of
LISTEN TO CAPRICHOSO
he's the man and posted the exact same thing i was going to
thanks
cj
AS A SIDE NOTE-- DON'T USE ANY PET WASTE EITHER
ducky u silly fuck u
don't use piss as fertilizer unless you honestly don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of
LISTEN TO CAPRICHOSO
he's the man and posted the exact same thing i was going to
thanks
cj
AS A SIDE NOTE-- DON'T USE ANY PET WASTE EITHER
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G
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How'd you get the salty tasting smoke?
How'd you get the salty tasting smoke?
And some cultures eat pets, pray to wildlife and consider some sacred. That don't mean I'm gonna try it - whatever floats yer boat - as long as ya have both oars in the water! 
I grow my own because I want to know what goes into my bud, not have to wonder what the dealer/grower used to finish his crop. I'm not Einstein nor a chemist and for me to have to sit down and figure out just what the hell is in my piss at any given moment before I feed the babies just ain't worth it fer me. It's hard enough to keep things on track with dilutes and mixtures without confusing it with more unknown quantities IMHO.
And I don't think it will be the topic of conversation at the table of growers sampling connesieur nugs. "Did you piss on this to grow it, or what?" I'm sure I'd come away from the table with a black eye or two!
How'd you get the salty tasting smoke?
And some cultures eat pets, pray to wildlife and consider some sacred. That don't mean I'm gonna try it - whatever floats yer boat - as long as ya have both oars in the water! I grow my own because I want to know what goes into my bud, not have to wonder what the dealer/grower used to finish his crop. I'm not Einstein nor a chemist and for me to have to sit down and figure out just what the hell is in my piss at any given moment before I feed the babies just ain't worth it fer me. It's hard enough to keep things on track with dilutes and mixtures without confusing it with more unknown quantities IMHO.
And I don't think it will be the topic of conversation at the table of growers sampling connesieur nugs. "Did you piss on this to grow it, or what?" I'm sure I'd come away from the table with a black eye or two!
firstavailable
Member
Don't take this in the wrong way, but what caprichoso said is just plain wrong.
First, as I said, you don’t need to keep a gallon of piss around to cure the piss. Just use it as it is produced.
Second, and this is partially in response to caprichoso and to 1tokeovertheline, it doesn’t really matter exactly what ratio the nutrients are in, to an extent . What I mean by that is, with urine, there will always be enough nutrients to keep the plant satisfied, and with the proper concentration, never too much. Yes, composition of the urine will vary with diet, life style, day-to-day, etc..., but not to such an extent that it will significantly affect the plant.
The original question in this thread was if urine will work as a fert. The answer to that question is, not only will it work, but it will work very well. It will work just as well as any commercial fertilizer. This has been tried, and shown to be true.
If I had the space, I would run a side-by-side comparison of urine compared to some popular ferts such as AN or BC hydro.
First, as I said, you don’t need to keep a gallon of piss around to cure the piss. Just use it as it is produced.
Second, and this is partially in response to caprichoso and to 1tokeovertheline, it doesn’t really matter exactly what ratio the nutrients are in, to an extent . What I mean by that is, with urine, there will always be enough nutrients to keep the plant satisfied, and with the proper concentration, never too much. Yes, composition of the urine will vary with diet, life style, day-to-day, etc..., but not to such an extent that it will significantly affect the plant.
The original question in this thread was if urine will work as a fert. The answer to that question is, not only will it work, but it will work very well. It will work just as well as any commercial fertilizer. This has been tried, and shown to be true.
If I had the space, I would run a side-by-side comparison of urine compared to some popular ferts such as AN or BC hydro.
Cannaba Lector
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good stuff, good stuff.
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good stuff, good stuff.
Hitchhiker
New member
Loads of great info about cultivating with PP
There are 107 pages reading about fertilizing with PP. Loads of pics and info. It seems to work as an fertlizer.
There are 107 pages reading about fertilizing with PP. Loads of pics and info. It seems to work as an fertlizer.
G
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and as unscientific as this is : when my dog pees in the same spot on the grass the grass kinda dies. im not going to put that on my plants. even if its free and makes an awsome N sup.
And having to keep pee in jugs seals that deal not that there was anything of having anything to do with giving my plants my pee.
They do on the other hand like it when i do back up vocals for their cover band.
And having to keep pee in jugs seals that deal not that there was anything of having anything to do with giving my plants my pee.
They do on the other hand like it when i do back up vocals for their cover band.
firstavailable
Member
sddcs4420,
the grass that your dog pees on dies because it gets oveferted with undiluted pee. If you take that same pee that your dogs pees on the grass and dilute it 10 times with water, and spray it on your grass, you will have the best lawn on the street.
I dont know about you, but I make new fresh piss every day. I don't see why anyone would need to keep pee bottled up and stored.
nukn_futz,
out of cureosity, what do you use for nutes?
the grass that your dog pees on dies because it gets oveferted with undiluted pee. If you take that same pee that your dogs pees on the grass and dilute it 10 times with water, and spray it on your grass, you will have the best lawn on the street.
I dont know about you, but I make new fresh piss every day. I don't see why anyone would need to keep pee bottled up and stored.
nukn_futz,
out of cureosity, what do you use for nutes?
nobodyknew
Member
What is the fascination with using urine as a nute in the first place.....?
What's wrong with just giving your plants a good well-balanced nute regime where ALL the macro and micro elements are all present in the correct concentrations to ensure lush and healthy growth.....
I mean - what is WRONG with that....
Why the compulsion to play with your own bodily wastes
And why involve your grow with that...?
Piss weed - yum
It's a matter of aesthetics - not whether your plant will live or not - aesthetics....
Anybody offers me piss weed I'm going to know straight away that they don't value my friendship and as a community service I'm going to have to haul off and smack the motherfucker down.......whether I'm in the mood or not....
What's wrong with just giving your plants a good well-balanced nute regime where ALL the macro and micro elements are all present in the correct concentrations to ensure lush and healthy growth.....
I mean - what is WRONG with that....
Why the compulsion to play with your own bodily wastes
And why involve your grow with that...?
Piss weed - yum
It's a matter of aesthetics - not whether your plant will live or not - aesthetics....
Anybody offers me piss weed I'm going to know straight away that they don't value my friendship and as a community service I'm going to have to haul off and smack the motherfucker down.......whether I'm in the mood or not....
G
Guest
you would rather smoke bat and cow shit, and "beneficial bacteria" than your own piss? call me self absorbed, but id rather smoke my own piss.
nobodyknew
Member
Sorry dude - I don't smoke any of that either
I grow ebb/flow and don't involve myself with anything other than liquid ferts of a commercial nature encompassing in exact detail ALL the nutes required from veg to flower
And it's cheap as chips as well.................
I grow ebb/flow and don't involve myself with anything other than liquid ferts of a commercial nature encompassing in exact detail ALL the nutes required from veg to flower
And it's cheap as chips as well.................
S
strain_searcher
If someone gave me weed that was piss grown I would grow some herb with vomit and shit in and send it back. We have too many options than stooping to such measures.
firstavailable
Member
nobodyknew said:
Nothing is wrong with that, but what you fail to realize is that urine is just such a well-balanced nute regime.
nobodyknew
Member
No - it's not
nobodyknew
Member
THIS is a well-balanced nute regime.......blended by the makers specifically for cannabis - not tomatoes or rose bushes and so on and so forth....and refined over a number of years - by qualified chemists no less...
Growth Technology..... 2 Part Veg regime
..................................................Part A...........Part B
Nitrogen(as nitrate).........................3.66.............0.90
Nitrogen(as ammonium).....................0.25............0.00
Nitrogen(as TOTAL nitrogen)..............3.91............0.90....<-----
Phosphorous(water soluble)...............0.00.............0.80
Potassium(as nitrate).......................2.50.............2.50
Potassium(as phosphate)..................0.00.............1.00
Potassium(as TOTAL Potassium).........2.50.............3.50
Calcium(as nitrate)..........................3.60..............0.00
Sulphur(as sulphate)........................0.00..............2.00
Magnesium(as sulphate)...................0.00..............1.50
Iron(as EDTA chelate)......................0.10..............0.00
Manganese(as EDTA chelate)............0.00..............0.02
Zinc(as EDTA chelate).....................0.00..............0.004 - not a typo
Copper(as EDTA chelate)..................0.00.............0.003
Boron(as Borax)..............................0.00..............0.007
Molybdenum(as sodium molybdate).....0.00..............0.001
Water..........................................85.10............87.20
Now that is a well-balanced veg phase nute regime.....
Are you seriously suggesting you piss all that in those quantities - cos if you are I suggest you reconsider your position cos you'd just be jiving the people...
Growth Technology..... 2 Part Veg regime
..................................................Part A...........Part B
Nitrogen(as nitrate).........................3.66.............0.90
Nitrogen(as ammonium).....................0.25............0.00
Nitrogen(as TOTAL nitrogen)..............3.91............0.90....<-----
Phosphorous(water soluble)...............0.00.............0.80
Potassium(as nitrate).......................2.50.............2.50
Potassium(as phosphate)..................0.00.............1.00
Potassium(as TOTAL Potassium).........2.50.............3.50
Calcium(as nitrate)..........................3.60..............0.00
Sulphur(as sulphate)........................0.00..............2.00
Magnesium(as sulphate)...................0.00..............1.50
Iron(as EDTA chelate)......................0.10..............0.00
Manganese(as EDTA chelate)............0.00..............0.02
Zinc(as EDTA chelate).....................0.00..............0.004 - not a typo
Copper(as EDTA chelate)..................0.00.............0.003
Boron(as Borax)..............................0.00..............0.007
Molybdenum(as sodium molybdate).....0.00..............0.001
Water..........................................85.10............87.20
Now that is a well-balanced veg phase nute regime.....
Are you seriously suggesting you piss all that in those quantities - cos if you are I suggest you reconsider your position cos you'd just be jiving the people...
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Theres not a big problem
Theres not a big problem
I wouldn't do it
but hell Piss is Sterile right out of the hole. (certin Illness besides )
besides by the time the nutes are used by the plants it's no longer pee.
In the Army they taught us that if you need water DRINK YOUR PISS! Not someone elses! Thats directly to the body and piss can be drunk with no ill effect.
But with the Organics and othe Chem Ferts around why bother, unless your a purest. I guess if I was out of nutes, and Ceaser or Jubei wouldn't give me any LOL I'd resort to pee.
But Honestly Pee is NOT as bad as we think. All in our heads.
Sin
Theres not a big problem
I wouldn't do it
but hell Piss is Sterile right out of the hole. (certin Illness besides )
besides by the time the nutes are used by the plants it's no longer pee.
In the Army they taught us that if you need water DRINK YOUR PISS! Not someone elses! Thats directly to the body and piss can be drunk with no ill effect.
But with the Organics and othe Chem Ferts around why bother, unless your a purest. I guess if I was out of nutes, and Ceaser or Jubei wouldn't give me any LOL I'd resort to pee.
But Honestly Pee is NOT as bad as we think. All in our heads.
Sin
Hey, when I was broke and my plant was dying, using urine as nutes saved it.
It works. The plants love it. It's as good or better than other organic ferts. It's noob friendly. It's as cheap as it can get.
Absolutely nothing wrong with using urine as a fert, and your plants may even thank you for it.
It works. The plants love it. It's as good or better than other organic ferts. It's noob friendly. It's as cheap as it can get.
Absolutely nothing wrong with using urine as a fert, and your plants may even thank you for it.
nobodyknew
Member
Sigh..........................I've never been that broke and I'm sure you weren't either............
BUT
Knock yaselves out - piss up the walls even - grab that fat indica leaf and wipe ya arse with it - why stop at piss
As long as we're all going to be disgusting bastards - why not jump in the deep end - oh wait - we're there already...............
BUT
Knock yaselves out - piss up the walls even - grab that fat indica leaf and wipe ya arse with it - why stop at piss
As long as we're all going to be disgusting bastards - why not jump in the deep end - oh wait - we're there already...............
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