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US rapper pulled off stage over inauguration anti-Obama rant

mean mr.mustard

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WTF happened to real hip hop??

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dagnabit

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WTF happened to freedom of speech? ffs
some people just dont understand what free speech means.
your right to speak freely extends only as far as being protected from prosecution for dissent.
it does not allow you to say what you want for as long as you want at an invited event.
 

RSA

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WTF happened to real hip hop??

There's different types of music, and different types of artists. While "old school" hip-hop has it's place, to condemn anything else that doesn't fit that framework is stupid.

some people just dont understand what free speech means.
your right to speak freely extends only as far as being protected from prosecution for dissent.
it does not allow you to say what you want for as long as you want at an invited event.

Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. The freedom is not absolute; the Supreme Court of the United States has recognized several categories of speech that are excluded from the freedom of speech, and it has recognized that governments may enact reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on speech.

Criticism of the government and advocacy of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or against public policy are almost always permitted. There are exceptions to these general protections, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws, speech that incites imminent lawless action, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising. Within these limited areas, other limitations on free speech balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as rights for authors and inventors over their works and discoveries (copyright and patent), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons (restrictions on fighting words), or the use of untruths to harm others (slander). Distinctions are often made between speech and other acts which may have symbolic significance.

Despite the exceptions, the legal protections of the First Amendment are some of the broadest of any industrialized nation, and remain a critical, and occasionally controversial, component of American jurisprudence.

While there are 'limitations', what can (in part) define an authoritarian dictatorship versus a free nation is the ability to say what you want without fear of prosecution. People with a conscience and people with the ability to think logically understand that things like child pornography and other similar things should definitely be outlawed, but the problem is that 'governments' like to take advantage of this provision and start blocking legitimate free speech under the guise of 'inciting lawless acts' - such as with the Occupy protests, G20 protests, etc.

Our country is far removed from what it once was.

Personally, I blame George W. Bush for this.

Personally, he has nothing to do with this.





While some may find Lupe's actions 'distasteful', I think it was a great move on his part - he spoke out against the murderer in chief at his own party AND got publicity at the same time. Win-Win.
 

mean mr.mustard

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There's different types of music, and different types of artists. While "old school" hip-hop has it's place, to condemn anything else that doesn't fit that framework is stupid.

I'm aware there are various forms of music.

Hip hop was born in the 70's and 80's and peaked in the early 90's.

If placing Lupe Fiasco outside of the realm of hip hop is condemning anything, well then I'm guilty.

Remember Run DMC?

That was real hip hop.

:shucks:
 

RSA

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I'm aware there are various forms of music.

Hip hop was born in the 70's and 80's and peaked in the early 90's.

If placing Lupe Fiasco outside of the realm of hip hop is condemning anything, well then I'm guilty.

Remember Run DMC?

That was real hip hop.

:shucks:

Well when you respond to such a post with "WTF happened to real hip hop", you are automatically insinuating that his music is 'hip hop', and that it doesn't even match up to run DMC, as you exampled. Just because you like run dmc more than Lupe, it doesn't mean his music is of any less quality.
 

mean mr.mustard

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I wasn't referring to quality.

I was referring to genre.

I'm sure there are those that still consider Metallica rock and roll.
 

hayday

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This was my first news of the morning.Although the music ain't my style his message was powerful and apropriate.
I liked Lupes smile as he was told to STFU.
Peace y'all
 

WelderDan

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If this event was held at a privately owned hall, then the owners/management had every right to have security pull him off the stage. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with it. What you can say is very much limited to where you say it.

For instance, when at school, or a school sponsored event, you are very much limited on what you can say. Ask the "bong hits for Jesus" kid. He was suspended for having a sign that said "bong hits for Jesus" at an off campus event. He sued, he lost and it went all the way to the Supreme Court. And he lost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_v._Frederick

Freedom of Speech has limitations.

Protestors were never allowed to get near George Bush's public events. They were relegated to "Free Speech Zones", and that has been continued under Obama.

And I would advise against standing across the street from the local Police Station screaming "Fuck da police"
 

mean mr.mustard

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:biglaugh:

Okay.

Lupe is real hip hop.

Metallica is real rock and roll.

I'll inform Run DMC they weren't doing it right... and let Buddy Holly know he wasn't any Metallica.

:biglaugh:
 

lost in a sea

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Personally, I blame George W. Bush for this.

its all us presidents faults apart from a handful and all the really bad ones had really bad people around them taking america down the weakest most exposed path possible for a country set out like that..

if you replaced all the soldiers with people that could teach and build and heal and grow there would be no problems and the world would love you,, just instead or war have love,,, with all the trillions poured mindlessly into the military industrial complex not used to make weapons we could save the world.. not to mention what a difference it would make without things like the pentagon and haliburton, black water, raytheon, lockheed martin etc etc in the world even just for a few weeks plotting against us by tarnishing our names on purpose, dressing up like arabs and making false flag attacks against their "own" citizens or cattle..

we've made it easy for psychopaths to get into government and big business = big mistake.. in the military it goes without saying..

his song raises a good point,, what is it worth to say what you should when you should?

don't acquiesce, or pay for it later..
 

Stoner4Life

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Lupe Fiasco couldn't hold MC Hammers fucking jockstrap as far as rap goes and I heard he busts his nut in seconds flat, he's nothing but a blowhard poser.......

 

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