it was an example on how to search, if you want more pertinent studies refine the search or do your own trials
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University of Guelph paper- Flushing is a myth!
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it was an example on how to search, if you want more pertinent studies refine the search or do your own trials
I can't imagine a generation reliant on technology and science but can't use a search engine that touts an over priced and unequipped education as an egotistical metric.
leaf Chemistry
BA Basic Chemical Constituents of Tobacco Leaf
and Differences among Tobacco Types
https://www.leffingwell.com/download/Leffingwell - Tobacco production chemistry and technology.pdf
A STUDY OF CERTAIN CONSTITUENTS OF THE LEAF AND
THEIR RELATION TO THE BURNING QUALITIES OF
TOBACCO
https://www.plantphysiol.org/content/plantphysiol/3/2/185.full.pdf
leaf Chemistry
BA Basic Chemical Constituents of Tobacco Leaf
and Differences among Tobacco Types
https://www.leffingwell.com/download/Leffingwell - Tobacco production chemistry and technology.pdf
A STUDY OF CERTAIN CONSTITUENTS OF THE LEAF AND
THEIR RELATION TO THE BURNING QUALITIES OF
TOBACCO
https://www.plantphysiol.org/content/plantphysiol/3/2/185.full.pdf
In a market like this, "fire" is very subjective. I remember you using really low temps and humidity right? I actually think not enough came from true horticultural practices and too much from bro science but hey.Considering the stark difference in quality between what I can grow, and the occasional "fire" I've come across the last 30 years? They better be different. My methods may be questionable, I may have only begun to scratch the surface of quality, but it sure beats the crap out of anything else out there. I can't wait to finish runner up in cup competitions. That'll be some seriously awesome cannabis I'm competing against.
I believe one of the main problems with the perception of 'quality cannabis' is precisely because the most common information came from a horticultural point of view. Bigger, badder, more is better, right? This is the exact opposite cannabis needs to shine.The very crux of the issue right here. At the end of the day, none of this flushes out.
As for the flushes I'm still on the fence tbh.
lol those links I provided describe how nitrogen is washed out of tobacco because it as a combustible mineral adds to combustion which lowers quality of smoking experience
most people are too AFRAID to grow with low nutrient content out of fear the results will be lack luster but are clueless to the science that spells out how that fucks up plant expression and limits many terpenes from being expressed thus the greater variability in expression natural soils
tired of the same arguments, conversation, latent fear and ignorance
most people are too AFRAID to grow with low nutrient content out of fear the results will be lack luster but are clueless to the science that spells out how that fucks up plant expression and limits many terpenes from being expressed thus the greater variability in expression natural soils
tired of the same arguments, conversation, latent fear and ignorance
F
Frylock
While i'm not particularly concerned with flushing or anything myself i appreciate your previous few posts, Weird.
Thanks for the links. I used to actually work in the tobacco industry as a horticulturalist and agronomist and I can assure you no tobacco farmer flushes their tobacco crops which span many many hectares in soil. What though does occur is curing in massive humidity and temperature controlled barns where tobacco hangs for many months, sometimes years.
You made an interesting point before this post about something to do with before science was there to hold our hand but in the same breath linked your argument to science via tobacco studies. It's a bit of a confused position; on the one hand you don't need science while on the other hand to prove my point look at the science. Just an observation.
You're so pious and full of yourself it makes me want to puke.
There are others like you on this forum, you'll find a group of egomaniacs to circle jerk with soon enough.
Put your buds up for the world to judge. See you at IC Cup 2020. When you lose with your unflushed bitter flowers that pop and crackle when they burn, come find me and I'll help you out with your education.
dank.Frank
You've been trolling me for a while now Dim Frank. Still better to be called pious than a "impotent child".... BTW calling someone an "impotent child" makes you sound like a pedophile.
Just because you don't know more than one meaning for a word, doesn't make me a pedophile, cretin.
"for a while now"
This is the first thread I've EVER seen you post in. I didn't even know you existed prior. Sorry to disappoint, but you're delusional.
dank.Frank
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Lacking in power, as to act effectively; helpless.
"for a while now"
This is the first thread I've EVER seen you post in. I didn't even know you existed prior. Sorry to disappoint, but you're delusional.
dank.Frank
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adjective: impotent
- 1.
unable to take effective action; helpless or powerless.
"he was seized with an impotent anger"
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"an impotent opposition party"
antonymsowerful, effective, strong - 2.
(of a man) abnormally unable to achieve an erection or orgasm.
"he was on medication which had made him impotent"
You seem to have dibs on yourself chap for someone who has posted nothing but crap on this thread. Have you anything intelligent to add or are you just going to carry on like an "impudent" imbecile? Definition of impudent. 1 : marked by contemptuous or cocky boldness or disregard of others : insolent. 2 obsolete : lacking modesty.
TychoMonolyth
Boreal Curing
Take this battle to PM.
F
Frylock
PM battles lol
I remember about 2003 was the first time i ever went into a chatroom, i think it was on yahoo chats? I can't remember, but they used to have a list of specific rooms and they had one called 'fight room' and it was just a mixture of people typing and speaking to each other trying to get under someones skin
It was pretty funny to do.... no video just typing and microphones.
Most people just laugh but every now and then someone would sook up pretty badly
Funny because no one even knew who anyone else was, just which country.
If anyone wants to waste nutes just to yield snap crackle and pop I will let them.
I won't buy or smoke their bud.
If anyone wants to convince me that it doesn't make a difference I don't have time for buffoonery.
It's like a vegan telling me steaks taste the same over charcoal as panfried.
Whoever funded the study must have something to win by disinformation.
Just ask a steak eater who knows there's a difference.
I won't buy or smoke their bud.
If anyone wants to convince me that it doesn't make a difference I don't have time for buffoonery.
It's like a vegan telling me steaks taste the same over charcoal as panfried.
Whoever funded the study must have something to win by disinformation.
Just ask a steak eater who knows there's a difference.
The conclusion of the study was that running water only for the last 14 days was a win regardless of tissue nutrient status. So really its a win win whether flushing has any effect on quality or not. Im wondering how many people criticising the findings have read the actual study.
My post was in regards to the members.
The thread has obviously grown more interesting than an individual study.
But because you aren't caught up on anything I'm sure you caught that.
The thread has obviously grown more interesting than an individual study.
But because you aren't caught up on anything I'm sure you caught that.
before legality allowed the luxury of scientific studies by the scientific community tool used to divine these properties where based on anecdote and experience which while subjective is still a rich store of information
science is only as effective as context and verity and does not create reality it reveals reality the uninitiated have yet to observe
I know the answer to this debate and and I have grown and smoked the same cultivar for decades deploying ALL the various methodologies and testing them at all ends of the spectrum to have rich enough experience not to need science
but the papers I posted PROVED my point in that ambient nutrient levels effect quality of smoke and enjoyment as well
and to be honest and not in a way to slight you but just commentary to anyone who is challenged by the notion of over feeding you have to be completely ignorant not to know the dominance of nitrification as a phenomenon and the profound effect of cultivar performance under a spectrum of nutrient regiments
I just can't wrap my head around it
Sorry. I'm not trying to be part of any back and forth. I already told the troll to stop quoting me without contributing content that moves the thread forward.
I ignored the last post - however, I will defend against any accusation of sexual impropriety. I'll not be proceeding.
Now it's time for the mods. Neg repp'ed and reported. Sorry to others whose thread is being ruined by what is apparently my very own personal troll. Lucky me!!!!
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I go back to my assertion, that flushing is acting as nothing more than an abiotic stressor which in turn is helping to trigger senescence. If there is no difference in the latent mineral / nutrient content in flowers grown either way, it doesn't mean we are wrong in our collective conclusions about what makes cannabis smoke better, but WHY it is smoking better.
Think of an animal and how the flavor of the meat is ruined (altered) if it's taken while at rest and peaceful vs if it is full of adrenaline.
Perhaps, there is a phytochemical difference between plants that have entered senescence and those that are taken before this process has begun. Just a thought that crossed my mind the other day, but I've been too busy avoiding a troll.
dank.Frank
I ignored the last post - however, I will defend against any accusation of sexual impropriety. I'll not be proceeding.
Now it's time for the mods. Neg repp'ed and reported. Sorry to others whose thread is being ruined by what is apparently my very own personal troll. Lucky me!!!!
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I go back to my assertion, that flushing is acting as nothing more than an abiotic stressor which in turn is helping to trigger senescence. If there is no difference in the latent mineral / nutrient content in flowers grown either way, it doesn't mean we are wrong in our collective conclusions about what makes cannabis smoke better, but WHY it is smoking better.
Think of an animal and how the flavor of the meat is ruined (altered) if it's taken while at rest and peaceful vs if it is full of adrenaline.
Perhaps, there is a phytochemical difference between plants that have entered senescence and those that are taken before this process has begun. Just a thought that crossed my mind the other day, but I've been too busy avoiding a troll.
dank.Frank
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https://catawba.ces.ncsu.edu/2018/11/hemp-production-keeping-thc-levels-low/
We don’t have solid data on the causes of THC spikes but here are some considerations. While excess nitrogen is often blamed for THC spikes, Dr. Angela Post, NC State University Small Grains Specialist, disagrees with this. In one research trial that Dr. Post conducted, nitrogen was applied at rates of 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, and 300 lbs per acre. While there was no advantage at putting out more than 100 lbs of nitrogen per acre there was no spike in THC. In fact, from just this first year of preliminary data, Dr. Post did not see any relationship between nitrogen and THC or CBD. In fact, Dr. Post wonders if nitrogen deficiencies could result in plant stress, thus causing a THC spike. From just this first year of data the nitrogen recommendation would be 100 lbs of N per acre. However, Dr. Edminsten cautions that this is just one season of data. If he were growing hemp right now he would lean towards a higher nitrogen rate (120 lb/N per acre).
We don’t have solid data on the causes of THC spikes but here are some considerations. While excess nitrogen is often blamed for THC spikes, Dr. Angela Post, NC State University Small Grains Specialist, disagrees with this. In one research trial that Dr. Post conducted, nitrogen was applied at rates of 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, and 300 lbs per acre. While there was no advantage at putting out more than 100 lbs of nitrogen per acre there was no spike in THC. In fact, from just this first year of preliminary data, Dr. Post did not see any relationship between nitrogen and THC or CBD. In fact, Dr. Post wonders if nitrogen deficiencies could result in plant stress, thus causing a THC spike. From just this first year of data the nitrogen recommendation would be 100 lbs of N per acre. However, Dr. Edminsten cautions that this is just one season of data. If he were growing hemp right now he would lean towards a higher nitrogen rate (120 lb/N per acre).
if you research each individual terpene that exist in pot and check studies on the expression of that terpene in other plants relative to nutrients (many other plants have been studied in this manner) you will find many plant responses are cued by subtle deficiencies that match the payload of pests
some do not
this means some terpenes express regardless of nutrients and some dont express linearly with nutrients but counter intuitively
for example Myrcene in some plants declines in the presence of excessive nitrogen
