So basically what you're saying is, you know you yourself don't have the balls to pull off anything ambitious, so you think nobody else should either.
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Under what guise does one rent a warehouse?
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So basically what you're saying is, you know you yourself don't have the balls to pull off anything ambitious, so you think nobody else should either.
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In the san francisco bay area they have a special task force with swat called a jump team. They specifically target warehouses and check them all out in secret. The fire department even helps them to get on top or roofs. warehouses get busted all the time out here!
Yeah. They've had the jump team out for sure. I've heard they look for big warehouses that have not renewed their business permits for example. They get on the roof to scope what they can. The helicopters are definitely out, doing what they do. I imagine they're keeping tabs on where all the big grows are. If they busted everyone, they'd be out every single day. There's so many warehouse grows, home grows, outdoor grows. It just goes on and on and on.
As for the warehouses. It's all about the landlord and the location. More than likely if you're under 30 and looking to rent a big warehouse(2-3K Sqft+), they're going to look at you sideways. It couldn't hurt to have a legit business to explain what you'll be doing if they ask. You can always say you're an artist as long as the warehouse is not gigantic. Most important thing is control the smell, pay your rent, and keep it low key.
I would personally recommend trying to get an outdoor spot, but that's just my 2Cents. I just don't think warehouse grows are worth it anymore, unless you're talking about 50-100 lights. I suppose it depends on where you are.
All you've got to do is look at the Canadians. The writings on the wall. VagPuncher is doing 100's of lights. That's where it's going.
As for the warehouses. It's all about the landlord and the location. More than likely if you're under 30 and looking to rent a big warehouse(2-3K Sqft+), they're going to look at you sideways. It couldn't hurt to have a legit business to explain what you'll be doing if they ask. You can always say you're an artist as long as the warehouse is not gigantic. Most important thing is control the smell, pay your rent, and keep it low key.
I would personally recommend trying to get an outdoor spot, but that's just my 2Cents. I just don't think warehouse grows are worth it anymore, unless you're talking about 50-100 lights. I suppose it depends on where you are.
All you've got to do is look at the Canadians. The writings on the wall. VagPuncher is doing 100's of lights. That's where it's going.
Gingerale: That's just inflammatory. You call it cowardice, and I call it caution. You call it a weakness and I call it a strength. Everyone defines success a bit differently, sometimes a lot differently. Is it bad that I only want to take from this world what I need, and what benefits others? Just because I am recommending one way does not mean I am commanding it. Anyone is free to ignore me. I hope you can develop a less negative approach in the future. I never challenged anyone here. I just stated alternatives. There's no reason to bring hostility into this situation.
It's cowardice and over-caution, and yes, it's most definitely a sign of weakness. Not only that, but you seem insistent on infecting others here with this mental disease called "cant-do-itis."
No, it's bad that you keep harping on about dangers and problems when what this guy really needs to be hearing is ideas and solutions.
LOL @ the irony....
Are you done?
The "can't do" attitude of people like you sways otherwise capable people from accomplishing their goals. Every time somebody comes up with a good idea of how he is going to "think big" and progress and advance himself beyond mediocrity, there's always some frightened mice squeaking loudly from the back of the room about the dangers and potential problems, and telling the person he is a fool for risking this, etc. It's fucking sick and disgusting, is what it is. Think of what people could accomplish if they weren't constantly surrounded by mediocre people who are too timid and afraid to venture out of their shells or see any of their friends do the same.
Growing a warehouse full of cannabis is illegal and potentially risky? You don't say? No shit bro. Welcome to ICMAG! I'm quite certain the OP was aware of this when he posted the thread. You take risks in your own life too, whether you're aware of it or not, and some of them are a lot more foolish than what this guy's talking about. The difference between the smart man and the dumb one is the smart one learns to manage risk, instead of being willfully ignorant and pretending it doesn't exist.
You said in your message to me that "not everything is a competition." Bullshit. Life is a competition. Anyone who doesn't see and understand this is simply ignorant and/or in denial. Either get busy winning, or get busy losing. If you want to lose that's cool but don't drag down others with you.
This is fictious; I have had multiple warehouse grows in a med state, I only had one incident where a ductng leaked from movers action over two years and after I fixed it I gave 30 day notice, I always paid rent on time AND POWER BILLS. When you were around in the 60's you know the risk. I chose to accept it. I have grown extensively outdoors too but the efforts are not worth it now rippers and choppers as well as drought like conditions make remote guerilla out for me this year, when you run out and need that "back alle'deal some one needs to have the balls to grow!
if you wanna do a Large grow do it and let no one stop you! People have been slowing me down my whole life don't do this and that and the only way I've gotten where i wanna be is by following my gut feeling!!! these people never help you get anywhere only let you live in fear and leave you thinking the rest of your life i should have done it! fuck the haters grow on my friend.. we need large grows thats the only way to over grow. the first time i smoked cannabis was thanks to someone growing more than they should.. or just growing what we need it
You truly would benefit from understanding the difference between "can't-do-itis" and "shouldn't-do-itis". Do you truly see no difference?
Thanks for illustrating my point: you are looking for reasons why you can't or shouldn't, not reasons why you can and should. The latter mindset when consistently applied will lead you on to a life of failure, success, then glory, in that order. The former on the other hand will only lead you to a life of mediocrity and failure.
Still think you're doing people a favor by giving them advice? You need to be listening and taking notes, not giving out bad advice and undermining people's confidence with your "CAN'T DO" or "SHOULDN'T DO" or whatever-you-call-it attitude.
Still think you're doing people a favor by giving them advice? You need to be listening and taking notes, not giving out bad advice and undermining people's confidence with your "CAN'T DO" or "SHOULDN'T DO" or whatever-you-call-it attitude.
So we are here to build confidence no matter what the consequences? Not arguing, just trying to understand how your mind works.
Curiosity compels me to ask; What exactly do you define as "success"? You seem to be thinking I am against success, and yet I consider foolish behavior a failure. Obviously there's a disagreement here on what foolishness actually is. I'm still trying to figure out why my opinion matters so much to you. It really shouldn't. You'd bother me, and I'd bother you less if you'd only stop caring. We're talking about my opinion here, which was related to the OP's topic, which explains why I am involved in this, but I'm still trying to determine your exact interest in this. Looking forward to moving this toward something more civil. Namaste.
Curiosity compels me to ask; What exactly do you define as "success"? You seem to be thinking I am against success, and yet I consider foolish behavior a failure. Obviously there's a disagreement here on what foolishness actually is. I'm still trying to figure out why my opinion matters so much to you. It really shouldn't. You'd bother me, and I'd bother you less if you'd only stop caring. We're talking about my opinion here, which was related to the OP's topic, which explains why I am involved in this, but I'm still trying to determine your exact interest in this. Looking forward to moving this toward something more civil. Namaste.
He never asked if he should or shouldn't. He asked what pretense one would give for a warehouse. The fact that he asked that question, shows that he is cognizant that there is risk involved.
If you don't have any experience running or renting warehouses. Then what do you know about it? Please take your argument elsewhere.
If you don't have any experience running or renting warehouses. Then what do you know about it? Please take your argument elsewhere.
I DO have experience in those areas thanks to family business. I could list a thousand reasons why it's hard to conceal in a lot of places, especially around here. Instead, I chose to recommend an alternative. A acreage or other rural property would be immensely safer, more private, and could easily house as much or more growing. Solar, wind, and micro-hydro power are also options, where in a warehouse you're on the grid, and better hope they don't notice. This discussion would have been long over by now, but I'll admit I am not fond of how some have reacted to what was just an honest opinion that was given with friendly intentions. No one is required to agree with me, but giving me negative rep and telling me that I just don't understand what success is, is trolling.
I would agree with you that it's a grind and that it's only good until it's not. Which could be any day. Still that's not what he asked. He just wanted to know how to do it. Give him some tips on that if you'd like. Lots of people have warehouse dreams. So I'm not mad at them for it. I just give them the best advice I can. People will do what they want, more often than not.
Well i shouldnt have neg repped you, but my point stands. How do you know what this guy's circumstances are? A warehouse is a hell of a lot easier to rent than a farm, and there are other advantages as well. Maybe in your area it's a bad idea but in 95% of the u.s. it's a perfectly sane idea.
It's possible that farms/acreages are a lot easier to rent around here than elsewhere.
Ok, I concede, here's some warehouse related advice:
You will benefit greatly from having something within the structure that doesn't require any special inspections, is large, and uses power. Ideally, find something that is not normally entered. The inside of a dust filtration system could be gutted out, and used to either grow or as a hiding place during inspections and other possible interference. Commercial dust systems can be huge. Other options are storage tanks(don't list them as storing chemicals that will require special inspections). If you have banks of grow tents or some other sort of chamber, try putting them on wheels. If you have an inspection or someone coming in, you can roll them all out of sight.
If you decide to get warehouse space and then build a secret grow space under it, make sure you get a permit to do some sort of work on the floor in the place. Maybe get a permit to fix drains. This is a good chance to do your work, then cover it, and have everything be legit. If you modify the building in a way that the inspector may notice, even small changes, they can make your life hell. Some building departments have seized properties, bulldozed whole buildings, or at the very least given stiff fines. Building inspectors will notice stuff the police never would. Fresh concrete next to old concrete, and no permit. They WILL look into it. Unless maybe you can bribe them, but they aren't likely to go for that in most places. Learn what the inspectors look for, get their field manual if you can. Know your enemy! Make sure if you're supposed to have handi-cap parking, get it. If you're supposed to have stairs no less than 8 inches deep, and the existing stairs there are not that deep, you'd better replace them, even if they're concrete and expensive. People get away with crap like this a lot, but they can afford the attention that you cannot. Don't even give the inspectors a motive to snoop. In their minds, you're supposed to be listening and know what's expected of you.
If you think more flexibly than "warehouse", there's a lot of commercial realty. You can find a workshop space or an industrial building of some kind. You would benefit from inventing some sort of project that your business works on. If you make it something boring, and make it something that never quite gets finished, then at most people might think you have a bad business plan. For example, you could claim you need the space to develop new ceramic materials. That gives you an endless project to work on, explains why customers aren't coming in and out of there much, and explains heavy electrical use. You could buy some kilns, fire some test pieces, and have a room people can see that isn't necessarily open to the public, but it would serve as your cover. Keep it dusted in there, move stuff around, make it look like you work in there, even if you don't achieve much. Order some pottery supplies from time to time. Keep up appearances!
Speaking of appearances. Don't go there in low riders with bass blaring. Make sure the people coming and going are using vehicles that don't stand out. Gang clothing, sportswear, biker clothing, etc. will stand out and get you attention you don't want. Keep the traffic as low as you possibly can. Keep it BORING there. People won't snoop around things that are boring. If there's other business next door, or other warehouses, try to figure out who the owners are, and if you can get to know them a little. If you stay boring enough, they won't be as inclined to want to get too involved in your life. If you're friendly and inoffensive enough, they won't be likely to question you motives so much. If you can meet them and give them a tour of the place some time before you fill it with plants, their minds won't wonder as much. Just don't give them anything really interesting to want to keep coming back to see. Show them your starter project and tell them that you're really just getting started. Hard to know how to play it until you meet them. Ideally you don't want your neighboring business owner or employees always stopping by to chat, or ask if you wanna go get lunch with them or whatever. I've watched people from neighboring business do this for years around the industrial park here. Friendly interest is a lot harder to deal with in some ways than hostile interest. If you can pull it off, you certainly could make your visible workshop area so cut off from the rest of the building that nobody ever goes in there. This would be ideal because people could come over all the time and never know what you're really doing. People question sneaky behavior, but they'll totally overlook things done by someone who seems to belong there. Also remember that race can be an issue, be aware of that when picking a location!
Think about your power draw. If you can have half your flowering plants running half the day, and the other half running the other half of the day, you will not show a 12 hour on/off spike at the power company. Also, get a building with HID highbay lights. Try to have one highbay for every grow light you have. Then, don't run them very much. Just turn on the ones you need to make the building look used, and to see by. This will also make your power draw more explainable. If you have 20KW of MH highbays, then you could probably run 10-15KW of grow lights without even raising the power bill above what it usually would be for that space with that lighting.
Ok, I concede, here's some warehouse related advice:
You will benefit greatly from having something within the structure that doesn't require any special inspections, is large, and uses power. Ideally, find something that is not normally entered. The inside of a dust filtration system could be gutted out, and used to either grow or as a hiding place during inspections and other possible interference. Commercial dust systems can be huge. Other options are storage tanks(don't list them as storing chemicals that will require special inspections). If you have banks of grow tents or some other sort of chamber, try putting them on wheels. If you have an inspection or someone coming in, you can roll them all out of sight.
If you decide to get warehouse space and then build a secret grow space under it, make sure you get a permit to do some sort of work on the floor in the place. Maybe get a permit to fix drains. This is a good chance to do your work, then cover it, and have everything be legit. If you modify the building in a way that the inspector may notice, even small changes, they can make your life hell. Some building departments have seized properties, bulldozed whole buildings, or at the very least given stiff fines. Building inspectors will notice stuff the police never would. Fresh concrete next to old concrete, and no permit. They WILL look into it. Unless maybe you can bribe them, but they aren't likely to go for that in most places. Learn what the inspectors look for, get their field manual if you can. Know your enemy! Make sure if you're supposed to have handi-cap parking, get it. If you're supposed to have stairs no less than 8 inches deep, and the existing stairs there are not that deep, you'd better replace them, even if they're concrete and expensive. People get away with crap like this a lot, but they can afford the attention that you cannot. Don't even give the inspectors a motive to snoop. In their minds, you're supposed to be listening and know what's expected of you.
If you think more flexibly than "warehouse", there's a lot of commercial realty. You can find a workshop space or an industrial building of some kind. You would benefit from inventing some sort of project that your business works on. If you make it something boring, and make it something that never quite gets finished, then at most people might think you have a bad business plan. For example, you could claim you need the space to develop new ceramic materials. That gives you an endless project to work on, explains why customers aren't coming in and out of there much, and explains heavy electrical use. You could buy some kilns, fire some test pieces, and have a room people can see that isn't necessarily open to the public, but it would serve as your cover. Keep it dusted in there, move stuff around, make it look like you work in there, even if you don't achieve much. Order some pottery supplies from time to time. Keep up appearances!
Speaking of appearances. Don't go there in low riders with bass blaring. Make sure the people coming and going are using vehicles that don't stand out. Gang clothing, sportswear, biker clothing, etc. will stand out and get you attention you don't want. Keep the traffic as low as you possibly can. Keep it BORING there. People won't snoop around things that are boring. If there's other business next door, or other warehouses, try to figure out who the owners are, and if you can get to know them a little. If you stay boring enough, they won't be as inclined to want to get too involved in your life. If you're friendly and inoffensive enough, they won't be likely to question you motives so much. If you can meet them and give them a tour of the place some time before you fill it with plants, their minds won't wonder as much. Just don't give them anything really interesting to want to keep coming back to see. Show them your starter project and tell them that you're really just getting started. Hard to know how to play it until you meet them. Ideally you don't want your neighboring business owner or employees always stopping by to chat, or ask if you wanna go get lunch with them or whatever. I've watched people from neighboring business do this for years around the industrial park here. Friendly interest is a lot harder to deal with in some ways than hostile interest. If you can pull it off, you certainly could make your visible workshop area so cut off from the rest of the building that nobody ever goes in there. This would be ideal because people could come over all the time and never know what you're really doing. People question sneaky behavior, but they'll totally overlook things done by someone who seems to belong there. Also remember that race can be an issue, be aware of that when picking a location!
Think about your power draw. If you can have half your flowering plants running half the day, and the other half running the other half of the day, you will not show a 12 hour on/off spike at the power company. Also, get a building with HID highbay lights. Try to have one highbay for every grow light you have. Then, don't run them very much. Just turn on the ones you need to make the building look used, and to see by. This will also make your power draw more explainable. If you have 20KW of MH highbays, then you could probably run 10-15KW of grow lights without even raising the power bill above what it usually would be for that space with that lighting.
Boy you are over thinking it mBus, not necessary to explain usage in commercial settings or otherwise. Every business has a different usage so as long as the bill gets paid no sweat, your only issue is will the property owner allow in leo for any bs reason. Get a alert entry pager and secure the grow within the space, get legal collective non-profit paperwork and display.
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