Snowden would surely be political chattel, his host country (if he finds one) would sell his ass out fast for some sort of better deal the US could come up with.
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U.S. Government spying on entire U.S., to nobody's surprise
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Snowden would surely be political chattel, his host country (if he finds one) would sell his ass out fast for some sort of better deal the US could come up with.
So you're conflating getting him all the way out of trouble with anyone supporting him? Seriously, if you don't think there's a huge movement of people behind him, go to Facebook and search for "Bradley Manning."
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greenmatter
i don't know O.B. ..... it seems to me that both parties are exactly the same and their supporters are just an extension of the parties. they both are very very good at pointing their fingers at all the things the other side does wrong and making lame excuses when they drop the fucking ball.
i'm not a politician, so when i fuck up i actually acknowledge the fact that yes indeed i fucked up. i own up to it and that is how i learn from my mistakes.
i have watched both parties lie to us repeatedly, testify before congress without having to take an oath,spin the shit out of everything and manage to fuck the citizens over no matter who is in charge ............. maybe it is time to acknowledge that none of these sorry fucks EVER have our best interests in mind and learn from the mistake we made ..... we trusted them
i think that by now it should be pretty clear to the supporters of both parties that they have been duped.
and i know i smoke to much pot but i think if we all stepped back for just a minute and looked real hard we might actually see that the most effective tool that the clowns who run this place have is pitting us against each other while they screw every single one of us.
we are the only ones who can stop them, and we have been pissing and bitching at each other for so long i think we might have lost the ability to work together.
and IT IS OUR OWN DAMN FAULT !!!
His name is Edward Snowden.
If you heat the world up, then you can mold it closer to your hearts desire. That is the motto of the elite. Good post Greenmatter.
I hope everyone is watching what is going on. they can't even smear his name.LOL
http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/now-this-changes-everything/
Now This Changes Everything
The media has released a photo of Edward Snowden with his pants down from 2002. Therefore, the NSA is fine.
here is another article to reflect on,it's not a smear article.
27 Edward Snowden Quotes About U.S. Government Spying That Should Send A Chill Up Your Spine
(I have shortened it to just the quotes,there is more at the link)
#1 "The majority of people in developed countries spend at least some time interacting with the Internet, and Governments are abusing that necessity in secret to extend their powers beyond what is necessary and appropriate."
#2 "...I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents."
#3 "The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to."
#4 "...I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."
#5 "The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything."
#6 "With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your e-mails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your e-mails, passwords, phone records, credit cards."
#7 "Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector, anywhere... I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President..."
#8 "To do that, the NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. It ingests them by default. It collects them in its system and it filters them and it analyzes them and it measures them and it stores them for periods of time simply because that's the easiest, most efficient and most valuable way to achieve these ends. So while they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government, or someone that they suspect of terrorism, they are collecting YOUR communications to do so."
#9 "I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinized most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians."
#10 "...they are intent on making every conversation and every form of behavior in the world known to them."
#11 "Even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. ...it's getting to the point where you don't have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis, to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life."
#12 "Allowing the U.S. government to intimidate its people with threats of retaliation for revealing wrongdoing is contrary to the public interest."
#13 "Everyone everywhere now understands how bad things have gotten — and they’re talking about it. They have the power to decide for themselves whether they are willing to sacrifice their privacy to the surveillance state."
#14 "I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under."
#15 "I don't want to live in a world where there's no privacy, and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity."
#16 "I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong."
#17 "I had been looking for leaders, but I realized that leadership is about being the first to act."
#18 "There are more important things than money. If I were motivated by money, I could have sold these documents to any number of countries and gotten very rich."
#19 "The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change. [People] won't be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things... And in the months ahead, the years ahead, it's only going to get worse. [The NSA will] say that... because of the crisis, the dangers that we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny."
#20 "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."
#21 "You can't come up against the world's most powerful intelligence agencies and not accept the risk."
#22 "I know the media likes to personalize political debates, and I know the government will demonize me."
#23 "We have got a CIA station just up the road – the consulate here in Hong Kong – and I am sure they are going to be busy for the next week. And that is a concern I will live with for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be."
#24 "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions, and that the return of this information to the public marks my end."
#25 "There’s no saving me."
#26 "The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won't be able to help any more. That's what keeps me up at night."
#27 "I do not expect to see home again."
http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/now-this-changes-everything/
Now This Changes Everything
The media has released a photo of Edward Snowden with his pants down from 2002. Therefore, the NSA is fine.
here is another article to reflect on,it's not a smear article.
27 Edward Snowden Quotes About U.S. Government Spying That Should Send A Chill Up Your Spine
(I have shortened it to just the quotes,there is more at the link)
#1 "The majority of people in developed countries spend at least some time interacting with the Internet, and Governments are abusing that necessity in secret to extend their powers beyond what is necessary and appropriate."
#2 "...I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents."
#3 "The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to."
#4 "...I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."
#5 "The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything."
#6 "With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your e-mails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your e-mails, passwords, phone records, credit cards."
#7 "Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector, anywhere... I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President..."
#8 "To do that, the NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. It ingests them by default. It collects them in its system and it filters them and it analyzes them and it measures them and it stores them for periods of time simply because that's the easiest, most efficient and most valuable way to achieve these ends. So while they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government, or someone that they suspect of terrorism, they are collecting YOUR communications to do so."
#9 "I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinized most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians."
#10 "...they are intent on making every conversation and every form of behavior in the world known to them."
#11 "Even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. ...it's getting to the point where you don't have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis, to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life."
#12 "Allowing the U.S. government to intimidate its people with threats of retaliation for revealing wrongdoing is contrary to the public interest."
#13 "Everyone everywhere now understands how bad things have gotten — and they’re talking about it. They have the power to decide for themselves whether they are willing to sacrifice their privacy to the surveillance state."
#14 "I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under."
#15 "I don't want to live in a world where there's no privacy, and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity."
#16 "I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong."
#17 "I had been looking for leaders, but I realized that leadership is about being the first to act."
#18 "There are more important things than money. If I were motivated by money, I could have sold these documents to any number of countries and gotten very rich."
#19 "The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change. [People] won't be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things... And in the months ahead, the years ahead, it's only going to get worse. [The NSA will] say that... because of the crisis, the dangers that we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny."
#20 "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."
#21 "You can't come up against the world's most powerful intelligence agencies and not accept the risk."
#22 "I know the media likes to personalize political debates, and I know the government will demonize me."
#23 "We have got a CIA station just up the road – the consulate here in Hong Kong – and I am sure they are going to be busy for the next week. And that is a concern I will live with for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be."
#24 "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions, and that the return of this information to the public marks my end."
#25 "There’s no saving me."
#26 "The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won't be able to help any more. That's what keeps me up at night."
#27 "I do not expect to see home again."
now we know where all the short-selling on 9/10 came from ... yeah, try to tell me they aren't using that info for insider trading. why the fuck not? it's just sitting there.
Sad, tragic little wankers. Not a shadow of a leg to stand on. FUCKEM. Anybody who gives a rat's ass about this picture is wasting precious oxygen by staying alive.
congress wouldn't do that ....... /sarcasm
im sure this article is only skimming the surface after all it was before the spyprograms enacted after 9/11 ....
Members of Congress Get Abnormally High Returns From Their Stocks
im sure this article is only skimming the surface after all it was before the spyprograms enacted after 9/11 ....
Members of Congress Get Abnormally High Returns From Their Stocks
I know.the media is nothing but lies and manipulation. im glad I get to read thoughtful articles like the one's on mr.wood's blog, and take a break from the propaganda that is on the tv.
Now they're going to try to distract people with the story of the cover-up of the cover-up of State Dept. people soliciting prostitutes.
As for that photograph, I see people walking around like that all the time in public.
John Oliver had a pretty good bit last night on the Daily Show about the media's attempts to smear Snowden, short video at bottom of article:
http://www.alternet.org/media/john-oliver-rails-media-snowden-coverage
As for that photograph, I see people walking around like that all the time in public.
John Oliver had a pretty good bit last night on the Daily Show about the media's attempts to smear Snowden, short video at bottom of article:
http://www.alternet.org/media/john-oliver-rails-media-snowden-coverage
if they can't do it on paper or with their secretaries then they will do it in the news those dirty dogs
Media and government are really hammering on this "high school drop out" mantra. He's able to articulate himself just as good as any Political Science major that I've come across. He's obviously a computer wiz (ie hacker). The reason he probably had the conscious and balls to do what he did was that he didn't stay in his indoctrination camp (high school) for the mandatory allotted time. Even better that he didn't attend a 4 year higher learning indoctrination camp called college.
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farts in an old jar would be more accurate
more and more I like this guy. I really don't think they(govmnt) will do much about Snowden. After the public outcry(and there is a lot of it if u have an enlightened group of peers) regarding the treatment and excessively harsh treatment of Bradley Manning, the current administration will leave this one alone. Once their current record regarding prosecution of whistleblowers came to light, I believe they had the maturity to adjust their policy.
History is the judge of politicians. Not fucking pundits.
Rbdf
History is the judge of politicians. Not fucking pundits.
Rbdf
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I look forward to the Government utilizing their vast stores of information to prosecute all of the bankers and brokerage officials illegal actions that nearly bankrupted the worlds economy.
I never said it's okay for the Dems to do it. That's something you read entirely into it because you're still so caught up in the whole Rep. vs Dem paradigm. What I am saying is the whole system is f-ed up, who you vote for is irrelevant because the system will always block any independent or other party and the only two options left are both bought and paid for.
Our only hope for changing that is to either A: Overthrow the Government (which is extremely unlikely because not enough people are determined enough to commit to that level of involvement/action) or B: Start playing a more active roll in day to day politics as voters. We need to as citizens start staying on top of all the legislation our representatives are involved in and make our will known and if they don't follow we vote them out. Unfortunately in our apathetic lazy society I doubt enough are determined enough to commit to even that level of involvement/action. Although option B: could work if we stayed committed to it long enough. It would likely take at least a generation because the corruption runs that deep.
The only hopeful news is that the public seems to be waking up at least to some small degree. A recent Gallup poll has revealed for the first time ever in the History of Gallup polls that the US Congress is the least trusted organization...ever. Also that the view is held equally by republicans, democrats and independents.
That's a pretty stupid position to take in defense though, because afterall they hired this "High School Drop-out"
That's all they got though. They are desperate and grasping at any straw they can to try and spin this. I mean look at the "controversial" picture that was released. F'ing retarded propaganda.
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