Tyrone's Arboretum and Cannabinoid Oasis

[TyroneShoelace]

7 weeks in and they're all finding their own ways of coping with reduced nutrient levels.

Blueberry:

ACDCxFlo:

Secret OG (Type III):

 

[TyroneShoelace]

Sorry for the delay. Nobody likes a cliffhanger. I updated over in the blue notes thread, and took a little break.

Blueberry:

ACDCxFlo:

Secret OG:

 

[TyroneShoelace]

I recently finished an eventful run of Type 3 genetics.

Ready for flowering. Zlights is 2/3 of the canopy, HarleTsu is 1/3.

Lovely plants. I over-vegged these and they blew up from here. ZLights in the front-left cup. HarleTsu in back-right:

Early flower bad news from the HarleTsu... male flowers and pollen dumped....

 

[TyroneShoelace]

I later found out the HarleTsu was more like a 3:1 so, for me, not a big loss there. But it did end up seeding the ZLights, which was unfortunate.

Tossed the intersex plant out with great vengeance and furious anger. Then I pried open the Zlights branches a bit and let her stretch her legs a bit.

She's a sweet smelling lady with slender stems

She's not a yielder by any means, but we are going to have some issues with these stems. I should have done more supercropping before flower and kept the canopy lower. Now in week 6 they are looking more promising:

I like how much it frosts up the fan-leaves on the colas

 

[TyroneShoelace]

Week 7 was looking... floppy...

Despite the flop, it was a perfect time for an early harvest sample. I have not had this lab tested, but the bioassay says this is pretty damn close to compliant hemp.

Farmer's trim:

Cleaned up:

 

[TyroneShoelace]

And done after 8 weeks:

I ended up with 10g harvested in week 7 and 70g harvested in week 8. It's great smoke. Week 8 is all type 3, but probably has 1-2% THC. It is a nice step up from the usual hemp experience and has lots of tasty terps. It's a weird mix of herbs, spices, and candied grape. I've been vaping this quite frequently. Unfortunately I have about 1-2 seeds per gram, which is annoying. I'd love to squish an ounce of this, but that's not in the cards. I'll probably turn it into tincture instead.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

I have been finding a lot of relief from various CBG pills, tinctures, rosins, and flowers for the past couple years. And the one thing that has always bugged me is that the flowers all taste the same. Because they've all been derived from Oregon CBD's White CBG. And few people have done any work to improve the line in the aroma/flavor department, or introduce some new CBG Genetics.

I got excited when I came across Floyd from Hoku Seeds. He's been doing some work with Swiss and Italian CBG varieties. He has a variety called MadDog2020 which has high thiol production. It's loud, and offensive. Sounds like good breeding material to me. It looks a bit hempy. Skinny stems and long internodes. But its got the funk.

Next is the White Dog G. It is very similar to the MadDog, and most likely related, but with even lankier stems and longer internodes.

I also came across a company called Seeds of Satori, who created some stellar genetics and then vanished into thin air after a short period of time. Luckily I scored a stash of all their available varieties. One of which is Sour Tangie CBG. This one has a nice structure that looks pretty homogenous. It has some thiols, but turns up the citrus.

I started 5 of each. I ended up with 2MDG, 1WDG, and 5STG.

In this pic, you can see the difference between 3 of the the shorter Sour Tangies, and a lankier Maddog2020.

Took some clones and going to select plants based on stem rub:

These plants root crazy fast. Visible in 5 days and ready for transplant in 7. The Sour Tangies lead the way, though:

I'd like to find a good breeder mom and dad in these lines. The STG and MD are fems, and the WDG is a reg line, so options aren't exactly good. But I'll probably play with some STS, and then start a pack of Hoku's Circles F2 to find a dad in there.

CBG is what I use to start my day. It pairs well with a cup of coffee. And I like mixing it 1:1:1 with CBD flower and CBDV flower for a strong medicinal effect. CBG plants also tend to be compliant all the way to harvest, which is great for the hemp farmer trying to stay legal.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

I have chosen Maddog #1 and Sour Tangie #3 as the Type 4 CBG phenos to go into the flowering tent this round.

And I also have a really special Type 3 CBD plant from Seeds of Satori called Cali Kush. I'm told it's a cross of Bubba Kush and Dance Hall. It's in my top 3 smokes of all time. It smells like a skunk got into a bag of light roast coffee. It tastes like all of that with dank spicy kushiness. I am always craving Cali Kush

Here's the Cali Kush #2 mom:

She's all Affie. Slow growing. Big dark green leaves. Tons of branches. Dense canopy. Spicy kush stem rub.

 

[zaprjaques]

Wow! Now thats some power posting! Looks like you have everything up and running nicely and you got the goods to prove it Very nice Tyrone, very nice.

Tossed the intersex plant out with great vengeance and furious anger.

Haha! Jules Winnfield style! That came out of nowhere lol

 

[zaprjaques]

CBG is what I use to start my day. It pairs well with a cup of coffee. And I like mixing it 1:1:1 with CBD flower and CBDV flower for a strong medicinal effect.

That sounds lovely! What does it do for you?
I like mixing regular hybrid herb, CBG and CBD at around 1:3:6(the CBG flowers are double the percentage of my CBD buds), not for mornings though as it gets me surprisingly baked quite a bit... but the 'buzz' wears off approx. 45 minutes later and leaves me in a pleasant clearheaded state. good for afternoon breaks when having long days of work planned out.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

Hey Jaques,

It's been a bit chaotic and I did have to take a break from growing for a bit, but thankfully everything worked out for the best and I'm in a much better position to continue these efforts. And in the time off I kept reading, learning, and acquiring new type 2, 3, and 4 genetics, while paring down my type 1 stash. And doing lots of experiments. Learning things the hard way.

Glad to year you're finding ways to work CBG into your routine! It's an interesting compound. I do find that, when mixed with THC, CBG can really even out the ride. Especially for those prone to anxiety, particularly in the first 20-30 min when you're still lifting off. And, like you, I find that it also softens the comedown as well and clears out any cobwebs that would othwerwise leave you feeling foggy after the experience.

Most of the Type 3 varieties I run have enough THC to be effective (1-2% is more than enough), and the CBD and CBG carry most of the weight by countering the THC's psychoactivity, and providing the physical relief from pain, inflammation, muscle cramps, and other effects related to chronic injuries. And the CBG provides a real mood lift with a light energy boost, which is great in the morning.

I have not noticed any adverse effects from CBD, due to frequency of use, dose, or length of use. But I have noticed that after 3-4 weeks of daily CBG use I can get a bit irritable. So I'm using CBD dominant medicine as a "daily vitamin" and CBG dominant medicine as an OTC pain killer and antidepressant that stays in the cupboard and only gets used when it's needed.

But I'm still learning. My understanding of these things changes every day as I get exposed to new cannabinoids and ratios. It's not so much what one single cannabinoid does, but what it contributes to the entourage effect in a specific blend. I recently scored a couple jars of distillate with some very broad spectrum ratios:

The one on the right is as viscous as honey:

Total Cannabinoids: 68.7%
CBD: 41.6%
CBT: 10.7%
CBN: 4.87%
CBE: 4.18%
CBC: 3.46%
CBG: 2.21%
CBDV: 1.03%
CBL: 0.606%

The one on the left is pretty solid at room temp, and more straightforward. Their "Full Spectrum CBG distillate":

Total Cannabinoids: 89.7%
CBG: 60.3%
CBD: 27.4%
CBC: 0.955%
CBN: 0.825%
CBDV: 0.186%

When you have something like this, and you start adding a little isolate here, and some distillate there, and another concentrate there, it opens a lot of doors. Below is an example of an "experimental" dab.

The white rock is CBN isolate. Moving clockwise is the CBG distillate above, then the broad spectrum CBD distillate above, then a really terpy CBD rosin, and finally a CBDV rosin. It was a calming experience. Just a great mental and physical space to be in. It was really easy to stay grounded in the moment and not get caught up in thoughts of the past or future. I have not tried it with a decent dose of THC yet, but that's on the agenda.

 

[zaprjaques]

Wow, that looks really good Tyrone
I noticed the same thing with CBG, also with CBD to a minor degree i must admit.
I'm probably chronically stressed out due to beeing self employed and might be sensitive to (endo) cannabinoid peaks and valleys .. A long time ago, ten years at least, i scored some cbd heavy flowers (probably type 2) but i didnt know about CBD back then... it wasnt as psychoactive as usual bud but great for evenings to relax. i always felt a lil grumpy the next day though...
i guess when youre stressed out you can notice the absence and decline of previously administered cannabinoids a bit more clear.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

Wow, that looks really good Tyrone
I noticed the same thing with CBG, also with CBD to a minor degree i must admit.
I'm probably chronically stressed out due to beeing self employed and might be sensitive to (endo) cannabinoid peaks and valleys .. A long time ago, ten years at least, i scored some cbd heavy flowers (probably type 2) but i didnt know about CBD back then... it wasnt as psychoactive as usual bud but great for evenings to relax. i always felt a lil grumpy the next day though...
i guess when youre stressed out you can notice the absence and decline of previously administered cannabinoids a bit more clear.

Sounds like we have a lot in comon, Jaques

Interesting that you noticed it with CBD as well. I've never noticed any "hangover" type effect the next day from CBG or CBD, but I usually medicate the same every day, so no dosage changes. With CBG it just starts to creep in. I experience something similar when I have been relying to caffeine too much. Just one day my body says "enough! Your receptors are fried. Chill out!". It does the same with THC. After a long break, THC is amazing. No anxiety, no brain fog.. just relief. But after a few days of regular use my body says, "you've had enough fun".

But yeah, high-stress jobs seem to be an interesting theme here. Or long exposure to high-stress environments in general.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

Not much to update. This Cali Kush is the slowest growing, and most densely foliated plant I have ever cultivated. I am guessing that is the Bubba influence. I have had to pick off new bud sites every other day to keep it from getting overcrowded. This plant is determined to grow into one giant bud.

I added 3 new plants to the res, all type IV plants (CBG Dominant).

Sour Tangie #3 (Bottom-Right) was the first one that developed roots, so it's got a bit of a head start on the others. All the Sour Tangies root extremely fast. 5-7 days from being cut and they are ready for transplant. I appreciate this as they don't get stressed in the process, so they can smoothly transition into veg (or flower) right away. The #3 pheno has an aroma that is equal parts citrus fruit and hot garbage. She's going to have to suffer with tip burn until she grows up because I'm not lowering the EC with that mass of cabbage behind her.

Mad Dog 2020 #1 (Top-right) is a bit of a hempy plant. The structure is pretty awful with thin woody stems and long internodes. This one has a smell I have a hard time placing. It is rank. The smell starts out as a sour kind of lime/kiwi, but very quickly goes into a rancid/rotten direction before you can even appreciate the initial aroma. There are some pine notes. Some kitchen spices. It's very weird and complex. It will be interesting to see how this one progresses through flowering. She's recovering from the stress of cloning and a high EC, but looks like she'll grow through it pretty quickly into a beanpole.

White Dog G #3 (Top-left) doesn't have a very strong aroma at this point. But also very unique. Again, hard to place. It has a similar quality to bags of skunk I used to get as a kid which smelled like actual dead skunks. The aroma of the White Dog itself is not really skunky, but it has a similar rotten, thiol-rich quality. Stems are woody and weak like the Mad Dog.

Should be due for a rez change any day now.

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

I have had to pick off new bud sites every other day to keep it from getting overcrowded.

I had the same problem before, I was snipping off almost all side shoots, just trying to get the girl to stretch. i dimmed the lights a bit for a week and got her to stretch out a bit.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

I had the same problem before, I was snipping off almost all side shoots, just trying to get the girl to stretch. i dimmed the lights a bit for a week and got her to stretch out a bit.

That's exactly what I did, but I may need to dim further. I'm at 40% power and the lights are 24" above the canopy. I can't increase the distance any more, so I guess I'll keep going. Only problem now is that the other plants are responding, while this stubborn bush just wants to do things on her schedule.

But in my experience, the tricky ones tend to deliver the best results. So I will humor her.

I have been a bit lazy and still have not done a rez change, or even checked PH or EC at this point. I can see the problems starting, so I need to get my shit together. But with that said, everyone is still alive and hopefully I'll get things sorted before they get too sad.

I am loving this Sour Tangie #3. She's got a neon glow to her that almost looks like she is illuminated from within. The stem rub is the closest thing I've ever experienced to an orange peel / orange zest.

The Cali Kush bush is just being a monster. I keep pinching the lower suckers every few days, but rather than sending that energy into upward growth she just makes new ones.

The Mad Dog and White Dog are still looking jacked up from cloning stress, a transplant into high EC environment, and now the unmonitored environment. They will be fine, but are telling me to change the rez yesterday.

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

That's exactly what I did, but I may need to dim further. I'm at 40% power and the lights are 24" above the canopy. I can't increase the distance any more, so I guess I'll keep going. Only problem now is that the other plants are responding, while this stubborn bush just wants to do things on her schedule.

But in my experience, the tricky ones tend to deliver the best results. So I will humor her.

I have been a bit lazy and still have not done a rez change, or even checked PH or EC at this point. I can see the problems starting, so I need to get my shit together. But with that said, everyone is still alive and hopefully I'll get things sorted before they get too sad.

I am loving this Sour Tangie #3. She's got a neon glow to her that almost looks like she is illuminated from within. The stem rub is the closest thing I've ever experienced to an orange peel / orange zest.
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The Cali Kush bush is just being a monster. I keep pinching the lower suckers every few days, but rather than sending that energy into upward growth she just makes new ones.
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The Mad Dog and White Dog are still looking jacked up from cloning stress, a transplant into high EC environment, and now the unmonitored environment. They will be fine, but are telling me to change the rez yesterday.

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Yeah, thats always an issue when growing different strains, they all want to do different things at different times, its like herding cats.

personally, ive never dialed in on a specific strain, always growing different strains, i use containers so its easy to just raise or lower an individual pot.

looking good though, ive never done hydro

 

[TyroneShoelace]

Yeah, thats always an issue when growing different strains, they all want to do different things at different times, its like herding cats.

personally, ive never dialed in on a specific strain, always growing different strains, i use containers so its easy to just raise or lower an individual pot.

looking good though, ive never done hydro

I prefer herding cats, lol. I am just winging this as usual. Last run saw 3 different varieties all sharing the res and it produced some great smoke. The Blueberry F5 stretched a stupid amount and I had to cut her head off in week 1 of flower, so she stalled and matured a week later than everyone else, and she still ended up being the tallest one in the bunch. But that was about the worst thing that happened in that run.

I am with you, though. Variety is the spice of life. It's nice to have a keeper plant that you love, but eventually you gotta have something new.

It's interesting growing different plants in one res because they independently use up different nutes and can throw everything out of balance. I appreciate finding varieties that can grow well in that environment. The Secret OG plant from the last 2 runs was one of those. Absolutely bomb proof. And this Cali Kush is showing similar resilience. Gotta love these affies.

Funny thing, after the last post I felt guilty and checked the res. EC was a tiny bit low at 0.76, telling me that they need a bump finally (I've been keeping it in the low to mid 0.8's). And the PH only dropped one point to 5.7. It's been really stable given how little attention it's been given.

Hydro is fun for my situation. I don't want to be dealing with any kind of medium indoors. Water is easy to manage and most plants I put in the system grow so fast you can practically hear the cells dividing. I also like having access to the roots. Makes a ton of plant problems much easier to diagnose. But I do recognize that growing with salts is not ideal. I compensate by feeding as little as possible. I'd rather keep them on the edge of a deficiency where I know the finished product will be clean.

But the end goal is living soil. Coming soon

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

I prefer herding cats, lol. I am just winging this as usual. Last run saw 3 different varieties all sharing the res and it produced some great smoke. The Blueberry F5 stretched a stupid amount and I had to cut her head off in week 1 of flower, so she stalled and matured a week later than everyone else, and she still ended up being the tallest one in the bunch. But that was about the worst thing that happened in that run.

I am with you, though. Variety is the spice of life. It's nice to have a keeper plant that you love, but eventually you gotta have something new.

It's interesting growing different plants in one res because they independently use up different nutes and can throw everything out of balance. I appreciate finding varieties that can grow well in that environment. The Secret OG plant from the last 2 runs was one of those. Absolutely bomb proof. And this Cali Kush is showing similar resilience. Gotta love these affies.

Funny thing, after the last post I felt guilty and checked the res. EC was a tiny bit low at 0.76, telling me that they need a bump finally (I've been keeping it in the low to mid 0.8's). And the PH only dropped one point to 5.7. It's been really stable given how little attention it's been given.

Hydro is fun for my situation. I don't want to be dealing with any kind of medium indoors. Water is easy to manage and most plants I put in the system grow so fast you can practically hear the cells dividing. I also like having access to the roots. Makes a ton of plant problems much easier to diagnose. But I do recognize that growing with salts is not ideal. I compensate by feeding as little as possible. I'd rather keep them on the edge of a deficiency where I know the finished product will be clean.

But the end goal is living soil. Coming soon

Im not knocking hydro, i’ve read about it and have considered either a coco or a dwc. I just like the forgiving nature of soil. No worries about using salts, I actually primarily use jacks, not the 321, but their general purpose, bloom booster, and finish. Bloom and finish could work in hydro also.

Its tricky balancing the needs of the plants, it looks like your doing a good job. my last run of clones took almost 3 weeks to take, they were looking rough. Before that i made clones in the winter temps hitting the high 50’s, and i had 100% success, some strains are just better at cloning.

That blueberry you had sounds like she had some old sativa genes popping through, most blueberry ive grown has been small to medium sized plants.

I cant find much info, but i heard about a dj short blueberry sativa, i think its still used in breeding but not generally available.

Here is a pic of a blueberry that someone shared they claimed it was a dutch passion blueberry that just grew like its mexican grandparent.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

Im not knocking hydro, i’ve read about it and have considered either a coco or a dwc. I just like the forgiving nature of soil. No worries about using salts, I actually primarily use jacks, not the 321, but their general purpose, bloom booster, and finish. Bloom and finish could work in hydro also.

Its tricky balancing the needs of the plants, it looks like your doing a good job. my last run of clones took almost 3 weeks to take, they were looking rough. Before that i made clones in the winter temps hitting the high 50’s, and i had 100% success, some strains are just better at cloning.

That blueberry you had sounds like she had some old sativa genes popping through, most blueberry ive grown has been small to medium sized plants.

I cant find much info, but i heard about a dj short blueberry sativa, i think its still used in breeding but not generally available.

Here is a pic of a blueberry that someone shared they claimed it was a dutch passion blueberry that just grew like its mexican grandparent.


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Haha I'm definitely knocking hydro. It's got its place, but for me it's convenience, speed, and yield at the expense of quality. I have to be honest about that.

To me the BB was exactly what DJ describes as a "stretch indica". It grew like a hybrid, pretty balanced, solid yield, but it was just a rocket ship when it comes to height during the first 4 weeks of flower. The effect was calming and somewhat clear-headed. Nowhere near the brightness of the Flo, but it still traveled in a similar direction.

I am sure Miraculous Meds would be able to set things straight on the Blueberry Sativa. I thought it was just a recessive phenotype in the BB line, but not sure.

That plant looks a lot like the Highland Mexican x BB. I wish I knew the source of these photos. Apologies for the lack of attribution.