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HempKat

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I tried a very strong dose of kratom and felt no effect at all except a little on edge. Like methadone it blocks the reuptake of serotonin and norepinephrine. This makes it a dangerous substance, taken every day. This is why people become needy of more and more and some have died.

Believe me, the true opiates of morphine (not opioids) found in poppy pods are the least harmful. I specialized in pharmacology when I studied graduate level neurology.
There is any one of a number of factors that could explain the results of your one time dose. I've known people that have successfully used it to control their pain rather thn taking opiates. Some who have taken it foor years at the same dose they started with and still get the same benefit. 've known others who used it successfully to control their withdraw symptoms when trying to get off opiates and were eventually able to get off Kratum as well after a couple of months. The only people I've ever known who fell into a trap of having to take ever inreasing amounts to feel anything were those who had no physical pain or opiate withdraw issues and who were just taking it to get high. This is often complicated by them soetimes using extracts which take the active ingredient tooo riddiculous high levels and also because of issues of quality control from one batch to another or one source to another. One thing that many are unaware of is that Kratum like a number of other natural drugs is sensitive to things like light exposure, heat, moisture and air exposure. Many people pick up Kratum in places like gas station convenience shops where a product might sit in a clear loosely sealed package for weeks or months before anyone ever buys it and there is no telling how long or under what conditions it may have sat in, at some warehouse before it finally made it's way to a convenience store shelf.
 
No, I'm not wrong, you just can't follow the discussion, apparently it's too far above your pay grade. Just because he sells X to himself for 1 Billion more thenn he paid for it originally doesn't mean it's now magically worth that amount. It just means he shifted it from one account to another essentially. The original price he paid of 44 Billion is widely agreed upon in the industry was a very bad deal and he paid way more then he should of, even he recognized that because he tried to back out of the deal once he realized it was way over valued but by that point it was too late. He had already commited to the sale and if he didn't go thru with it he would have lost a lot of money and got nothing for it. But hey if him selling it too himself for even more then the over priced amount he paid for it makes you believe it's worth more then it is...well you just go ahead and hold onto that little fantasy.
Bro, do you have google, or what?
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HempKat

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i'm not saying it's perfect, it's definitely a dirty drug with not a lotta recorded history of use, but afaik there are like two kratom deaths on the books, if there's even one pharmacological death directly attributable (i think there were two i could find, idk maybe there are more i can't find)
Actually there is a fairly long history of recorded use in Asia going back hundreds even thousands of years. The main reason it was eventually made into an illegal drug was due to it's effectiveness in helping people to beat opium addiction back when China was actively using opium as a way to control the masses. At least that's what I read in an accounting of the history of kratum.
 
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Rakkasan

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  • Right-wing extremist terror incidents in the U.S. have been increasing since the mid-2000s, but the past six years have seen their sharpest rise yet. There were just seven right-wing terror incidents in the period 2005-2007, but by 2017-2019 there were 27, which increased to 40 in 2020-2022.
  • The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) Center on Extremism (COE) has documented 67 domestic terror incidents by right-wing extremists in the United States from 2017 to 2022. These include successful terrorist attacks, failed terrorist attacks and foiled terrorist plots.
  • White supremacists were responsible for more attacks than any other type of right-wing extremist in the past six years (30 of 67, or 45%), but anti-government extremists, anti-abortion extremists and other types of right-wing extremists have also plotted and carried out attacks.
  • Right-wing terror attacks during this period also resulted in more deaths (58) from such attacks than any of the previous six-year periods since the time of the Oklahoma City bombing. All but five of those deaths occurred in white supremacist attacks—primarily mass shootings directed against minority targets.
  • Most incidents (72%) involved only a single perpetrator, whether an arsonist targeting an abortion clinic or a white supremacist shooter targeting a synagogue. Single perpetrators were also far more likely to successfully carry out attacks; plots with multiple perpetrators were usually stopped by law enforcement. Most incidents were not committed by organized extremist groups.
  • Firearms were the most popular weapon chosen for attacks (27 of 67 incidents, or 40%, not counting two additional incidents where firearms were one of two weapon types). Incendiary devices (featured in 25% of incidents) were also popular, followed by explosive devices (18%).
  • Right-wing terrorists considered a wide array of targets. Government targets were most frequently chosen by perpetrators (in 18 of 67, or 27% of incidents), closely followed by targets based on actual or perceived religion (17 of 67, or 25%), which consisted of Muslims and Jews. Abortion-related targets and targets based on race (primarily Black people) were also common, at nine and eight, respectively (13% and 12%).
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HempKat

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Bro, do you have google, or what? View attachment 19177144
Again that's just playing paper games by shifting it from one account (Musk) to another account (Musk owned xAI) if you can't clearly see where that's a false way of playing with the value on paper, I''m not going to try to explain it to you. Setting that aside though, even just using the figures in your post xAI paid 12 billion more then it was worth so in order for it to be operating in the black it would have to overcome that $12 Billion over valuation first.
 
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Rakkasan

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Are we back on IQ now?

Shall we discuss what the IQ is of a spoiled rich white guy who speaks at a 4th grade level and had to pay someone to take his SATs to get into college?

Trump Speaks At Fourth-Grade Level, Lowest Of Last 15 U.S. Presidents, New Analysis Finds​



 
Again that's just playing paper games by shifting it from one account (Musk) to another account (Musk owned xAI) if you can't clearly see where that's a false way of playing with the value on paper, I''m not going to try to explain it to you. Setting that aside though, even just using the figures in your post xAI paid 12 billion more then it was worth so in order for it to be operating in the black it would have to overcome that $12 Billion over valuation first.
I’m sure someone is gonna give him a billion dollar loan on a false valuation. Makes no sense.
 

moose eater

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Thanks for making that point, we agree on it.

How we would proceed after that though is different. I try to be consistent and not violate another's rights even when "official acts" tell people it's okay to do it. Principles are important, even if I am sometimes fallible as an individual.

My goal isn't to get 100% consensus via a vote. If you made that as an assumption of what my goal is, it's not accurate.

Your statement implies individuals have different wants, needs and interests. That's important to recognize, I'm glad you perhaps inadvertently admit and understand that. Just wish you would hold to that belief relative to making rationalizations about voting.

One of the few near universal ideas held by most people is they don't want others to force their ideas on them or initiate aggression against them. How they live their life once their peace is honored though can take many different paths and that's okay. Those two statements are consistent, but the political process relies on separating them and uses subterfuge and a lie to do it.

Voting as it's done in the present is almost always a demonstration of WRONGFUL power over others rather than a peaceful process. There is a baked in systemic contradiction which attempts to sanctify the initiation of force via a vote.

"It's okay to do bad things (violate consent) of peaceful dissenters if we follow this magical process"

Forcing others into our ideas if they are disinterested but peaceful is wrong, if you or I as individuals do it. When individual people behave that way they're rightfully thought of as thugs, assholes and / or criminals.
Long practiced voting rituals don't magically change something that's wrong if you or I do it, into an acceptable thing if more people do it via voting process. Most people have been trained not to think about that though. Not harshing on you, but your post illustrates that you have swallowed a contradiction, most people have. :)

Even if more people are involved and the process is lead by people claiming to be "official" the nature of what occurs doesn't change. Peaceful people are forced into others ideas and we already know it's wrong if you or I do it.

Most things wrong for you and I to do, remain wrong if we bring in a 3rd. 4th, 5th or 1000th person and we try to vote the wrong thing to be "not wrong". The wrong is affixed to the action and isn't cleansed by more people doing it or a theatric "official stamp" or official voting ritual.

The most important thing for a peaceful society to function is people are held accountable when they initiate aggression against others or others justly acquired property. Meaning people are not allowed to force themselves or their ideas on other people etc. Peaceable order is maintained that way. peaceable order is different than imposed order. ( I may delve into that in a future post.)

Individuals that are not initiating aggression against other people or their justly acquired property have satisfied the most important thing above. They have every right to be left alone.

It's not ethereal to let peaceful people make their own choices, it's wrong if they aren't "allowed" to. On one hand most people know that, but their instilled belief in authority causes them to make an exception when "authority" does it.

This is evidence what occurs under voting may be normal in the sense that it occurs regularly and routinely, but it's based in a kind of psychological capture. Normalizing a wrong doesn't make it right, it just makes it occur regularly and routinely. People have been trained to follow rather than question. (More on that another time if / when I discuss the government school system)

So to put things in proper perspective the present voting system necessarily is almost always a violator of the most important thing, since as you stated / implied above, there will always be peaceful disinterested people in any kind of voting situation that have their choice overridden by a voting mob.

You sometimes fall into that category, when you complain about Trump. You don't like it that he was imposed on you. I don't blame you, a "leader" forced on others is in actuality a master. That's not hyperbole either, it's applying the same meaning to actions when anyone does it, rather than allowing meanings to transmogrify if "authority" does it.

How this contradiction gets remedied then becomes the proper question.




Concerning the rest of your post, I can and might address the rest of it later in another post, the implied questions about roads, hospitals, schools etc.

To apply a tired cliche, this is not my first rodeo discussing those things or pointing out the contradictions of some widely held but erroneous beliefs. ✌️
I have shit to get done in order to be on the road tomorrow by noon, but I do believe, among other misconceptions, convenient for your stance or not, that you attribute aspects of my resentment for Trump (Biden, Obama, HRC, GW, Reaan, et al) that are not quite as you imply.

We are going to have Presidents that some agree with and some don't. Being repeatedly offered a limited menu of criminals with histories of deceit, lies, serial mass murder, rape, fraud, theft, and more, goes WAY the fuck beyond, "I'm pissed that my guy didn't win." I haven't had any expectations of 'my guy' winning in decades, but I cast those votes with a clean conscience, knowing I didn't succumb to the well-indoctrinated cattle chute programming of accepting a ballot put together by Wall St. money, or DoD/DoD contractor influence/money.

Again, your obviously 'idealized' philosophical bent denies the reality of what are often 'greater good' decisions by what are often self-absorbed and selfish beings... Humans.

This is a part of the reason that various programs were made national and funded by federal tax dollars. The GI Bill and Social Security (especially Disability benefits, etc., came out of this need for standardization) as examples.

Despite rhetoric, and people looking in the mirror with blinders on in order to feel good about themselves, most people, where the rubber eventually meets the pavement, are basically selfish. Needs that cost money are often not fully or properly addressed unless there's a mandate.

I could go into detail, but if you look to FB and a group called, something to the effect of Delta Junction Area News and Information Group or some such, you'll find a small burg to my east, living in an unorganized borough. You can research in Alaska what benefits or detriments an unorganized borough offers in the State of Alaska. But for now, and for a long time running, unorganized boroughs here more or less lack a property tax; a primary source of funding for local services in many/most cases, otherwise picked up largely by the State or Feds where the borough isn't organized.... But SOMEONE pays for this shit.

In that previously referenced group, dialing back over the last several months, you'll find all kinds of assertions of battle tones including some posturing that taxes are the beginning of the "loss of liberty and freedom." Stuff so lofty in its often disingenuous assertions of hollow principles that an eagle with an oxygen mask can barely get within reach of the bullshit. It really amounts to, "I've become accustomed to having someone else pay to plow my roads, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum, that I REALLY don't have cause to pay for my shit myself."

Don't get me wrong, due to my wife's and my incomes now being what they are and will be, I can definitely see the benefits of moving to an unorganized borough in years to come, though preferably in a warmer climate up here than Delta Junction or Tok Junction.

Well, as a result of Trumptard-afflicted (often) conspiracy theories and less-than-proven allegations by people with very little deeper knowledge of the inner-workings of programs, the City of Delta Jct. recently had their very professional and adept EMT/ambulance service provider flip them the bird and after years of service, "with a Hearty Hi-Ho Fuck You!!" closed their doors.

Now that need (and it is most definitely a 'need'), rests with people who are faced with forming their own ambulance service.

Hookah!!!

Give it a peek, because the utter chaos, self-serving attitudes and dispositions there, etc., etc that is oh so present as traits in humans self-absorption, is and has been on full display.

It's somewhere between comical and tragic what is occurring there, but the social tenor of that community is imploding... allegations, circling the wagons, division, and on and on, largely due to those very human tendencies or attributes... Selfishness and delusions.

Go give it a peek, and scan the bullshit there from over the last numerous months. This is a facet of where some of your idealism (selfishness) leads to.

And there's PLENTY of DoD and other money in Delta Jct. these days, unlike when we lived there 35 years ago.
 
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moose eater

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From the group, 'Americans for Tax Fairness.'

>>"""In 2022, 10.9 million undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in taxes. Combined, they contributed more than Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, and 55 mega-corporations.[1] While the ultra-wealthy and Fortune 500 hide behind loopholes and offshore havens, undocumented workers in this country, barred from many public benefits including Social Security, are propping up our economy and paying their fair share and then some.

Here are the numbers: undocumented immigrants pay a combined effective state and local tax rate of 10.1%, more than the top 1%, who pay just 7.2% on average. On the federal level, they paid a higher tax rate than five of the richest Americans, all while working essential jobs in agriculture, construction, and healthcare. This economic injustice is baked into a system that rewards exploitation and scapegoats the very people holding it up.

The GOP’s agenda is crystal clear: pit struggling people against each other to protect the wallets of the ultra-rich. They point fingers at immigrants while they rewrite the tax code for the wealthiest. It’s a con and we need to call it out—and in more than one language!""<<<
 

moose eater

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Yeah I remember they wasted millions of taxpayer money trying to prove that. Womp womp.
No, they proved he had inflated the values of numerous properties.

Selective memory?

The (remaining/dangling) question had to do with whether or not the inflation of values was acceptable or not.
 

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