A universal standard education curriculum isn't indoctrination lmfao. You can't make a single post without bringing up trans.
Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)
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And again what Elon was saying here is indistinguishable from what the fascist leaders of nazi Germany were saying.
MangueBeat
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You said you don't mind following "private" rules, right? So you used the example of roads. That's why I mentioned the example of rules made by billionaires, or do you think the owner of a private road is poor? Do I really need to explain that? lol.
MangueBeat
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The power of the bourgeois state comes from the billionaires.
Captain Red Eye
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If you are owned by others that would be true. I own myself though and I don't own other people, nor do I want to. I can make rules about my stuff, my body, my property because I own myself.
I'm sorry you feel an obligation to follow orders from people that think they own you. Only I can obligate myself. That's not to say I can't be captured and for a time forced to obey others, but I think I would not make a good slave and would always try to escape or die trying.
Fuck rulers.
Captain Red Eye
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I was part owner of a mile long road to my house at one time. I'm not exactly a billionaire. Was just a guy living in the woods and trying to be left alone. As an aside I did more than my share to maintain the road.
I think roads could also be managed by groups of people cooperating, while not empowering that group to go beyond the road and give them license to oversee every aspect of your life. I'm happy to cooperate with people who aren't trying to own every aspect of my life.
MangueBeat
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My God, so much ideology, alienation and political illiteracy in a single comment. First of all, no one believes or teaches that "men get pregnant". This is not even a real issue. You waste your time fighting scarecrows and bait? LOL!
Your comment is an example of why homeschooling is an aberration. You border on flat-eartherism with this type of comment.
I can only imagine the level of "education" you would give your children.
Education is not based on what you believe or don't believe, but rather on reality, facts and materialism. Children need to learn about the world around them, they need to learn to deal with emotions and feelings, learn to respect, learn to be useful to everyone, learn history without embellishments and resignifications made by colonizers. And certainly children should not learn to be prejudiced and small-minded. Your children should be a better version of you, not an equal or worse version.
Captain Red Eye
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It also comes from people believing that their default station in life is to be ruled. That's why indoctrination is an important tyrant tool.
There are more serfs than rulers. The rulers hold on people is backed with violence, but if the serfs ever evolve in their thinking that can end.
Ideas should precede action. Evolution is change, revolution just puts a different asshole on the throne.
RobFromTX
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Well put brother
You bring rational thinking to this thread and that's why its so unpopular
MangueBeat
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Great, but the world is not limited to your individual experience, and yes, for you to have PART of a road company you are at least rich, unless you confuse being a shareholder with being part of the group of partners.
And yes, I agree that roads could be managed by people for the people, but in real life they are managed by large multi-billion dollar companies that exploit the people who should actually manage things, and these large companies usually end up buying smaller ones like the one you say you have a share in, there are market practices for these purposes such as dumping, mergers and acquisitions, cartels, trusts and holding companies... there are so many nuances, that is why I say, again, I think for the third or fourth time, that such topics should not be treated in a shallow and simplistic way, you should at least have a little knowledge of dialectical historical materialism to understand the minimum of what I am trying to convey here. Once again you talk about "your life" when I am discussing things much bigger than your desires and assumptions.
Captain Red Eye
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Thanks. I don't even blame the naysayers too much.
They've been heavily indoctrinated, brain washing and Stockholm syndrome are harder for some to shed than others.
Captain Red Eye
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Bullshit, no offense but you are prone to making assumptions.
I was frugal and didn't waste money on things most people do. Built my own damn house. Gnawed the trees down with a chainsaw and used a small sawmill and planer to get some of the lumber.
The road was maintained by me, shovels, rakes, a couple of pickup trucks with plows and a mid-sized tractor with a bucket and backhoe on it. Sometimes I'd hire a buddy with a dump truck to bring in gravel. I was more like a "thousandaire" and lived like I wanted to, so in that way I was rich.
It seems you are trying to position me into defending something you oppose. You could just ask me if I oppose it too rather than make assumptions that I don't know about the evils of crony capitalism.
MangueBeat
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Dude, what you said has absolutely nothing to do with my comment about rules being rules and rules coming from rulers, this is just the factual description of reality, and you come with this talk of "if you are owned by others" and blah blah blah. My God, I feel like I'm talking to a person who doesn't know how to interpret simple sentences and is more concerned with rebutting than understanding.
And it's not a question of feeling obligated or not. It doesn't matter how I feel or how you feel about this, it's not a matter of ego. Some rules are a matter of common sense, they should be followed and defended. Other rules really need to be changed, and you can't lump them all together. Sometimes you talk like a teenager in crisis with his father's orders. You seem to have a problem with authority figures, because you always go back to saying "nobody tells me what to do, I do what I want and blah blah blah" and please correct me if I'm wrong because this is the impression you give me, of being a right-wing kid who tries to deal with very complex issues with very simple and reductionist phrases that don't help solve any of our problems in practice.
The world goes far beyond your will. I'm talking about life in society and you're stamping your foot on the ground saying that nobody tells you what to do. I'm talking about things that are more complex than what you want or don't want, what you idealize or don't idealize. I'm talking about life in society as a whole, my first comment here was criticizing the crap of the imperialist/colonialist/zionist right-wing ideology, and the fact that you were bothered by this and tried to relativize it as if the leftists were the same already shows that I shouldn't even waste my time with you.
yeah i guess it's sorta the M.O. of weak "men" that like to shit on humanity over their own inadequacy
yes, thanks for the pith!out of curiosity, how much freedom should parents have to abuse their children?
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you caught me. i don't want people who think michelle obama is a man, or that q anon is real, teaching children. i want professional public educators.
Porky82
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There are several billionaire worshippers in this thread and they all echo chamber the same narrative.
Well said but mate.
RobFromTX
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Pretty good definition of autocracy
