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Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)
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Old Piney
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Hempy McNoodle
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That is AWESOME! Looks like a Scarlet Kingsnake (Milk Snake).
Hempy McNoodle
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Its not the cure. They are lying to you again.Scientists have finally discovered a possible cure for cancer and trump's administration is forcing them to remove any mention of the word mRNA for grants.
Scientists Say NIH Officials Told Them To Scrub mRNA References on Grants - KFF Health News
Two senior scientists say National Institutes of Health officials advised them to remove references to mRNA vaccines in grant applications, and they fear the Trump administration will abandon a promising field of medical research.kffhealthnews.org
Wake up you feckless fucks!!!
Captain Red Eye
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The ideal society is one where individual rights are respected.
I don't hate every society that exists, because I don't conflate territories forcibly controlled by governments with "society". They are not the same things.
Most people know forcibly directing neutral peaceful people is wrong when it comes to their own interactions, but have literally been trained to make an exception when their masters do the opposite. It's bizarre, but has been normalized. Like burning witches or voting a master over other people that never consented to the political process.
I'm not a fan of coercion or systems based in it, since those systems are violators of individual rights and they break the peace while making claims they "keep the peace". They don't, they impose order, which is not the same as keeping the peace. Order in that circumstance is a hierarchical directive and is more often an exercise of power than rightful actions. The only rightful power I should have over others is to defend my own rights when they are being usurped.
Other people don't own me, I own myself.
Below is a link to the Voluntaryist website. Read it if you like. or not. Your choice.
I suggest starting with the fundamentals of voluntaryism, that section can be found on the website.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=225f...&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly92b2x1bnRhcnlpc3QuY29tLw&ntb=1
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Hiddenjems
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How else do you explain hundreds of thousands of people exterminating 6,000,000 Jews?
All men have good and evil in their hearts, it’s up to those individuals which way they go.
Hiddenjems
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Yes, some people are in fact grasshoppers waiting for the signal to be locusts.
@Hiddenjems
i don't think you're pointing out anything revolutionary;
the important point is that hitler is guilty; and hitler, as leader of the nazis, is even moreso guilty than the average nazi.
charles manson, will he ever see the light of day? i don't know a ton, but weren't the murders done by other members of the cult and never manson himself?
i don't think you're pointing out anything revolutionary;
the important point is that hitler is guilty; and hitler, as leader of the nazis, is even moreso guilty than the average nazi.
charles manson, will he ever see the light of day? i don't know a ton, but weren't the murders done by other members of the cult and never manson himself?
Sure they can, threatening can be done en masse and doesn't requiire physical contact, it only requires that you have the attention of those you are threatening. Now if you had said one man can not physicallly killl millions without the help of millions that would have been more accurate but nobody ever said that Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc physically killed millions by their own hand. I would disagree though that any of them needed millions to do the work of killing millions, given the right circumstances one minion could kill hundreds or even thousands. Take the Jews during the holocaust for example, most of them were killed in large groups inside a gas chamber. All that was required was enough troops to man the concentration camp, enough to offload all the Jews from the trains, process them into the camp and eventually herd them into the gas chamber. Let's say the gas chamber could hold 1000 Jews at a time. Chances are that the controls that turned the gas on andd off was handled by one man. By the logic you're trying to use only that one person who turned the gas on and off was responsible for the killing but it took all the soldiers in the concentration camp to get the Jews from the train into the gas chamber and they all knew what the end result was going to be, so really they all shared some responsibility in killing all those Jews. Still it's not like they went behind Hitler's back and said, "You know what, just for grins and giggles lets take all these Jews and kill them in the gas chamber" Hell if that wasn't the plan all along the concentration camps wouldn't have even had a gas chamber." Ultimately the plan, the order came down from Hitler. Only he had the power to command all those soldiers to carry out such a heinous act without question. Just because he didn't physically do it himself doesn't make him innocent of the crime. Same goes for Mao, Stalin and whatever other brutal dictator you want to add to the list. Each were the ones that had the power and influence to order others to do the actual dirty work and it was done because the people who followed the orders knew or at least believed that there were other soldiers under the leader's command that would kill them if they disobeyed. So while the leader didn't physically do all the killing himself it was the leader by virtue of his power and authority that was responsible for the killing.
Charismatic fascist leaders giving top down orders.
The point is, Musk is comparing Nazis who killed people with US govt workers as a justification for cutting their jobs.
Hitler and other tyrants don't build up the administration state, they tear it down. It's not the first time Musk has tried to paint figures like Hitler as pro big government to make people think the democrats or people who are in favour of a functional regulated government are the same as Nazis.
Hempy McNoodle
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Let wisdom by thy guide.
Captain Red Eye
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The belief in authority and "must obey" mindset is an intentionally implanted method used by intelligent but evil people to control other people. It's been in their playbook for eons.
Nowadays, government schools and other cultural norms promote and enable it.
If people can believe they are "just following orders" they can mentally distance and export personal responsibility for their actions onto "authority". "Just doing my job" becomes an accepted refrain. Drug war cop platitude. Nuremberg excuse. "just following orders". 'They told me I had to" "If you obey, you won't get in trouble".
Trained in obedience most people can't fight through the dissonance and obey authority, even when "authority" is being evil.
I'd estimate out of the general population less than 10 people out of 100 have the wherewithal to see through this. When that number increases humans will evolve, until then, humans will remain livestock with cell phones and corn syrup arguing about who should be their master rather than, "why are there masters to begin with"?
Hiddenjems
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Every dictator has millions of people following their orders instead of dragging them down the street.
Hiddenjems
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It has made life difficult at times, but it has also served me well. I fundamentally don’t believe in authority.
Why can a police officer tie me up and take me away if I do anything wrong, but if I witness them violating the law I’m just supposed to call another cop? How are police somehow more of a citizen than me?
Hiddenjems
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Nobody wants to believe that they have it in them to turn their neighbors into the gestappo.
Read some of the files released when east Germany fell. There are husbands turning wives into the party and children turning in parents. Evil is in everyone. Denying this invites evil to power.
Read some of the files released when east Germany fell. There are husbands turning wives into the party and children turning in parents. Evil is in everyone. Denying this invites evil to power.
Ah but I thought you said you were observent? That's all I am really. You've spent enough time in the DC area that you should know you can't turn around without seeing or hearing about what's going on politically in the Federal government. Hell most of the suburbs are just where all the people that work in the Federal government call home at the end of the day. Now I'll grant you that living up in the mountains of New Mexico one could keep themselves hidden from most of the new in the DC area and live in blissfull ignorance. I'll even grant you that you probably don't watch or listen to the news and even if you did most of what you would see or hear would be more about whatt was going on locally.
You still manage to be pretty well informed though based on the things you say in some of your posts, so you're getting your news somewhere. Maybe you do gett it from just this site but if that's your only source then you're scouring any and all threads that have to do with politics or at the very least most of them. Which is far more obcessive then most if not all of the people active in this thread. I know this because I've seen you reference things not really discussed in this thread. I on the other hand only participate in this one thread and even then it's not always on a daily basis nor do I choose to respond to everything that gets discussed here. Like before last night I didn't come in here for like 2-3 days because I had other more important things to me to do. There were almost 20 pages of posts that happened in that time and yet I only responded to the five or so posts that were replies to what I said 2-3 days ago plus one or two other posts. Most of the other stuff was just too pointless and irrelevent to respond to and would take me the better part of the day to respond to if I allowed myself to get caught up in all of that. Like all that stuff about the various "isms" as you put it. Most being stuff people throw out when they're trying to side track from what was being discussed because they didn't have anytthing worthwhile to come back with.
Yeah, yeah, I know, too much for you to actually read so you can spare me that bit of commentary.
damn, yeah i was so busy with the stupid *is hitler bad* shit, i missed the main shit...
musk really did do that, didn't he?
and he knows what the fuck he's doing, he might have the emotional i.q. of a golden retriever but he knows what the fuck he's doing with his dishonest crapola
That's not true he was guilty of slander (libel is when it's in writing).
Captain Red Eye
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Not all laws are just. There are more laws featuring arbitrary statutory preferences (victimless crime laws) than there are laws protecting individual rights. Police main job isn't protection of rights or to serve or to abide by justice related things. That's just propaganda slogan bullshit they paint on their patrol cars.
A cops primary purpose is to enforce laws and help gather revenue for the perpetuation of the system that pays them. They are foot soldiers for the higher up mafioso.
I like it when cops violate some laws. For instance a few cops will bravely not enforce some laws they know to be unjust as long as they think they won't get caught and punished. Most don't though, most aren't very bright or principled, which makes them perfect for the job.
