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Hiddenjems

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This is the same guy that says people will naturally get along and help each other voluntarily.
That was Marx. According to Marx, some time after the socialist totalitarian state and the revolution that produced it, the govt will no longer be needed and will fade away to a utopia.
 

mean mr.mustard

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That was Marx. According to Marx, some time after the socialist totalitarian state and the revolution that produced it, the govt will no longer be needed and will fade away to a utopia.

It was actually the person to which I was referring.

Thanks for your attempt at assistance.
 

Captain Red Eye

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That was Marx. According to Marx, some time after the socialist totalitarian state and the revolution that produced it, the govt will no longer be needed and will fade away to a utopia.


Marx didn't really want gov't. to fade away though, he wanted to institute his version of a forcible government to replace the shitty one that already existed and pretend it wasn't a forcible government.

Marx believed in using the same involuntary MEANS as every other government proponent. He just wanted his forcible idea to deliver something that looked different than other governments.

Marx was either an idiot or a liar, possibly both. Like many people he approached his ideas from having a vision of the end product and didn't seem to consider the means used to get there.

His ideas necessarily would have to use offensive force to achieve.

Using offensive force to maintain human relations or systems is the evidence Marx wasn't talking about "less government", he was talking about "more government". Marx was a forcible collectivist.
 

shiva82

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Marx didn't really want gov't. to fade away though, he wanted to institute his version of a forcible government to replace the shitty one that already existed and pretend it wasn't a forcible government.

Marx believed in using the same involuntary MEANS as every other government proponent. He just wanted his forcible idea to deliver something that looked different than other governments.

Marx was either an idiot or a liar, possibly both. Like many people he approached his ideas from having a vision of the end product and didn't seem to consider the means used to get there.

His ideas necessarily would have to use offensive force to achieve.

Using offensive force to maintain human relations or systems is the evidence Marx wasn't talking about "less government", he was talking about "more government". Marx was a forcible collectivist.
you will own nothing and be happy
 

Hiddenjems

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Marx didn't really want gov't. to fade away though, he wanted to institute his version of a forcible government to replace the shitty one that already existed and pretend it wasn't a forcible government.

Marx believed in using the same involuntary MEANS as every other government proponent. He just wanted his forcible idea to deliver something that looked different than other governments.

Marx was either an idiot or a liar, possibly both. Like many people he approached his ideas from having a vision of the end product and didn't seem to consider the means used to get there.

His ideas necessarily would have to use offensive force to achieve.

Using offensive force to maintain human relations or systems is the evidence Marx wasn't talking about "less government", he was talking about "more government". Marx was a forcible collectivist.
Withering away of the state is a Marxist concept coined by Friedrich Engels referring to the idea that, with the realization of socialism, the state will eventually become obsolete and cease to exist as society will be able to govern itself without the state and its coercive enforcement of the law.”
 

Hiddenjems

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The current commies don’t speak much about the utopia Marx & Engels predicted. The “scientific socialist” state that the workers form after their revolution is supposed to just fade away because the people don’t need the state anymore.

Even the guy that invented communism says government is coercive.
 

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