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moose eater

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The average or even below average American is in the top %1 of people that ever lived as far as wealth. If the world was fair we’d be sacked and enslaved. I prefer the unfair world we live in to that option.
And yet most Americans live paycheck to paycheck and many/most can't come up with $500 for an emergency, while corporatists are often paid in bonuses rather than salaries in order to further dodge their tax burdens, many top 500 corporations pay zero in corporate income taxes, and there hasn't been this degree of disparity between workers' wages and CEO pay ever in US history.

I'll pass on the Stockholm Syndrome.
 

Hiddenjems

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And yet most Americans live paycheck to paycheck and many/most can't come up with $500 for an emergency, while corporatists are often paid in bonuses rather than salaries in order to further dodge their tax burdens, many top 500 corporations pay zero in corporate income taxes, and there hasn't been this degree of disparity between workers' wages and CEO pay ever in US history.

I'll pass on the Stockholm Syndrome.
Most people who have lived had lives orders of magnitude worse.

To the starving kids in Africa, we’re that ceo.
 

moose eater

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Most people who have lived had lives orders of magnitude worse.

To the starving kids in Africa, we’re that ceo.
That's what I would categorize as 'negative relativism', and comparing our Country to 3rd world areas in order to feel better achieves nothing toward correcting those issues the have needed corrected for a long time.

Meanwhile, the United States is and has been slipping on the scale of international quality of life indicators for well over 30 years.
 

Hiddenjems

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That's what I would categorize as 'negative relativism', and comparing our Country to 3rd world areas in order to feel better achieves nothing toward correcting those issues the have needed corrected for a long time.

Meanwhile, the United States is and has been slipping on the scale of international quality of life indicators for well over 30 years.
We are sliding, that is true.

But Americans using inequality to justify murder sets a dangerous precedent for regular Americans. Is an African that’s made maybe $100 his whole life allowed to use this logic on us?
 

moose eater

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We are sliding, that is true.

But Americans using inequality to justify murder sets a dangerous precedent for regular Americans. Is an African that’s made maybe $100 his whole life allowed to use this logic on us?
When any entity engages in theft and deceit in pursuit of profits, while preying specifically on the elderly, sick and dying, they get whatever they get and have forfeited their right to bitch about it.

Sometimes people take watching their family members suffering in a personal sort of way.

There are those among us who feel and those who don't.

And this one's mostly for meme man, but others too.

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Hiddenjems

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When any entity engages in theft and deceit in pursuit of profits, while preying specifically on the elderly, sick and dying, they get whatever they get and have forfeited their right to bitch about it.

Sometimes people take watching their family members suffering in a personal sort of way.

There are those among us who feel and those who don't.

And this one's mostly for meme man, but others too.

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The issue is a mixed system. Healthcare needs to be either provider and customer, or gasp, run by the state.

Insurance and government intervention both ruin the market for healthcare. They both keep people from price shopping. There is no market force to lower costs.
 

moose eater

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The issue is a mixed system. Healthcare needs to be either provider and customer, or gasp, run by the state.

Insurance and government intervention both ruin the market for healthcare. They both keep people from price shopping. There is no market force to lower costs.
The insurance lobby, one of the strongest in the Nation, is a totally unnecessary middleman, raping the public and physicians simultaneously.

The very good neurosurgeon who did my triple laminectomy 6-1/2 years ago got less money than the anesthesiologist for a surgery that gave me back much better use of my legs and spine after a lifetime of hard play and work, so I could continue playing in the bush and finish raising my youngest son.

They gave him $5,000 for that procedure (as one of Anchorage's most skilled and talented neurosurgeons at that time) due to the insurance company's in-network negotiated contractual fee agreements/contracts.

They waited and waited to pay him, and he was receiving the same amount as his amazing surgical physician's assistant; $5,000.

I phoned the insurance company up and advised them to pay him and told them that he had given me back the use of my body for years to come, which mattered greatly to my younger son at that time, and told them that I can't even buy a good used car for $5,000 in most cases. "PAY THE GUY and stop being such fucking vultures."

There's a reason the Founders held substantial disdain and distrust for the concept/prospect of corporations. and now we've granted them personhood via a stacked corrupted SCOTUS, and removed many of the limits on the amounts of money they can spend in donating to campaign coffers.

We've been owned by the corporations for a long-ass time, but they no longer even try to hide it.

I'd repeat the JFK quote here, but the villagers will only take getting butt-fucked for so long, and when the Oligarchy owns the conventional means by which to seek redress, then unconventional means will make their way to the playing field.... every time... eventually.
 
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moose eater

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Yet we have an immigration crisis like never before. I’m sure they want to come here because they hear it’s so terrible
Perhaps when you spend some time reading about the history of the CIA and State Dept. in propping up pro-US despots and playing around with the structured other countries' governments, leading to 40+ years of chaos in favor of various agendas, then maybe you'd understand why many of these people have left Guatemala, El Salvador and elsewhere. Or maybe talk with folks who were there then. Shake that redneck angle of view perhaps.

You remind me of those who support bombing the shit out of various places, then act indignant, offended or surprised that people from those places immigrate here or Europe.

People tend leave places once they're trashed. Stop trashing those places if you don't like those people coming here. It's mostly that simple.

And you're still entertaining the one-way, dead-end perspective that is 'negative relativism', thus, helping or improving not a goddamned thing. Defending the status quo regarding corporate theft of the nation's soul and purpose.

"Well, we've got it better than X, Y, and Z, so we're the best, therefore no more need to address our systemic ills."

A speedbump standing in the way of betterment of our character, dignity, honor and qualities of life.
 

eastcoastjoe

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Perhaps when you spend some time reading about the history of the CIA and State Dept. in propping up pro-US despots and playing around with the structured other countries' governments, leading to 40+ years of chaos in favor of various agendas, then maybe you'd understand why many of these people have left Guatemala, El Salvador and elsewhere. Or maybe talk with folks who were there then. Shake that redneck angle of view perhaps.

You remind me of those who support bombing the shit out of various places, then act indignant, offended or surprised that people from those places immigrate here or Europe.

People tend leave places once they're trashed. Stop trashing those places if you don't like those people coming here. It's mostly that simple.

And you're still entertaining the one-way, dead-end perspective that is 'negative relativism', thus, helping or improving not a goddamned thing. Defending the status quo regarding corporate theft of the nation's soul and purpose.

"Well, we've got it better than X, Y, and Z, so we're the best, therefore no more need to address our systemic ills."

A speedbump standing in the way of betterment of our character, dignity, honor and qualities of life.

Perhaps when you spend some time reading about the history of the CIA and State Dept. in propping up pro-US despots and playing around with the structured other countries' governments, leading to 40+ years of chaos in favor of various agendas, then maybe you'd understand why many of these people have left Guatemala, El Salvador and elsewhere. Or maybe talk with folks who were there then. Shake that redneck angle of view perhaps.

You remind me of those who support bombing the shit out of various places, then act indignant, offended or surprised that people from those places immigrate here or Europe.

People tend leave places once they're trashed. Stop trashing those places if you don't like those people coming here. It's mostly that simple.

And you're still entertaining the one-way, dead-end perspective that is 'negative relativism', thus, helping or improving not a goddamned thing. Defending the status quo regarding corporate theft of the nation's soul and purpose.

"Well, we've got it better than X, Y, and Z, so we're the best, therefore no more need to address our systemic ills."

A speedbump standing in the way of betterment of our character, dignity, honor and qualities of life.

We still have a much better way of life then most places in the world. America is not some 3rd world shithole like you make it out to be.
 

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