Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

[Zeez]

Unfortunately it would probably have roughly the same effect as when Hillary used the phrase, which was that the party as a whole was being described that way even though Clinton specifically said that "half" of Trump's supporters belonged in this basket of deplorables. Since she didn't define who the half was that left it up to everyone to wonder if they were included in that group. Then again Hillary was a widely despized figure amongst Trump's supporters so it's hard to say how much that effected people's reactions to the statement.

Also don't be quick to think that Trump being in jail will keep him from running or from being President if he wins. Only crimes against the public have the power to prevent someone from becoming President. The crimes Tump was indicted for today would be described as private and therefore would not automatically exclude someone from holding the office. It should have the effect of keeping someone from being elected based on the idea that nobody should want a convicted criminal holding the most powerful position in the land but considering how Trump's supporters think and their belief this is all just some underhanded political attack I doubt that would stop them from voting for him. Fortunately the number of supporters Trump has now is much lower then in 2016 or 2020. Many were killed off because of how Trump handled the Covid Crisis and many have wised up and realized Trump is not the great President he was thought to be. It still seems like their numbers are large enough because they're so vocal and the GOP keeps cowering to them but in reality they only represent about 1/3rd of the electorate maybe even less.

Another thing to keep in mind, at least as far as this charge goes it is doubtful Trump will do jail time if convicted. Especially given his age and that this would be considered his first offense even though we all know he's committed numerous crimes over the years. The most likely punishment is he would be sentenced to home detention and possibly even just probation. Unless of course he continues to be the moron he[s been so far and incites people to violence and threats of violence against the court.

The theme of deplorable is what keeps Chump from getting elected. Whether it's direct or nuance, it was the reason he lost before and will be the reason he looses again. Republicans are conservatives. Not all of them are stupid and enough of them object to being associated with a criminal to make the difference. Being in jail would only exaggerate this and cause the wackos to behave in a way that divides the party even further.

Jail time, it depends on how he is charged. Weiselberg and Cohen did time for working on Chumps behalf.

The bracelet shot, same thing, that will be the image they remember and can not deny with a bullshit story. There he is, Look at him. Too much for many republicans. He's our guy... Meh...

 

[armedoldhippy]

I see Pants & Co. denouncing the latest travesty against Trump
thought they were simply ball-less, but it's worse than that
I'm beginning to wonder if they would feed off of the corpses of their own mothers

they'd kill them themselves if they got hungry enough. before it's over, i expect The Chump will toss his kids & wife under the bus in an effort to escape justice. there is no limit on what he will try in a futile effort at "winning". bank on it...

 

[HempKat]

A valid point that is being echo around the media circuit since Trump's indictment is that people need to be read to face that this will take a long time to get to trial. It took 16 months for the Trump Organization to get from indictment of fraud to actually being tried in court for it. It's my guess that Trump's campaign will try to spin this as proof that there is no real substance to the charges and that the enemy is just dragging things out to get the most mileage to try to maake him look bad. Of course if they did what many would like to see happen and rushed it to trial then they would be claiming how unfair it was and that Trump was being denied the normal due process of things.

There are a lot of misconceptions being pushed to tale advantage of the fact that most of Trump's supporters have no understanding of the legal process. The biggest misconception being pushed right now, IMHO, is that this is all just a political hit job designed to prevent Trump from running and to turn voters against him.
first off even if he were found guilty tomorrow and sentenced to jail time a few days later, none of this prevents Trump from running an d/or being ellected. As far as I understand it out of everything he's facing there are only one or two charges that would explicitly end his chances of serving as President again. Now iiif he got locked up before the election it would create some logistical problems as far as holding rallies and such but if he became the nominee the system would have to find a way to allow enough movement for him to do things like rallies with him returning to jail should he actually get jail time Or at worst they would have to allow him the ability to hold his rallies via video (kind of like how Biden held rallies via video from his basement during the heght of the Covid Crisis).

As far as turning people against himif the things he did to pick up the charges against him didn't turn voters away then him being indicted and convicted wouldn't either. He has never denied doing the things he did to get these charges he's just tried to argue it was all legal. So it's doubtful him having to stand trial for those things will make a difference. As Trump liked to say in the past, “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters”. Unfortunately his voters are so gullible that they believe most anything he says. The one that gets me about the Hush money case he was indicted on is he tells his supporters that it never happened but he paid the Hush money anyway to protect his family. Protect them from what? If he didn't do it then he didn't do it, why on earth should anyone believe he paid money to shut someone up about something he didn't do. We all heard him say via recording that he grabs women by the pussy and they don't mind because he's rich and famous and they just dismissed it as harmless lockerroom talk among men. So we're supposed to believe voters would turn away from him for sleeping with a porn star at a time when he likely wasn't getting any action form his wife? His supporters would likely say, "a man has needs" or something along those lines. Also to think he would willingly pay large sums of money for something he didn't do? I mean come on Trump has a well known history for not paying people he legitimately owes money to for services provided. There are contractors who had to go out of business because Trump refused to pay them after doing what they were contracted for on jobs involving his various properties.

 

[igrowone]

hempcat's thought give me a few ponderables
1 of which is bail and other restrictions for a defendant awaiting trial
those could interfere with the Don's activities just as much as trial/conviction
very dark waters these be

 

[Zeez]

I'm sure his hard cores believe every word of the "I'm a victim" rap. I read somewhere that this has been a commonly used ploy in the strong man rise to power game. Seems that it's a two edged sword. While he gains power with the weaker minded he looses with the more affluent who are likely funding him. Ugly tactics and reputation become too toxic for their own reputations.

 

[Hammerhead]

Did anyone watch McCarthy trying to use the 2 justice system excuse lol? They will always try to insert themselves into what the public goes through. Those clowns are the people that are never held responsible for their crimes/behavior. When 1 of them finally is they try to insert themselves into the justice system that we endure.

It's clear they think there immune to the crimes they commit.

 

[HempKat]

I may have to rethink my position on Trump not being sent to jail, the moron just can't seem to get out of his own way. What I'm refering to is last noght when he was rage posting on his social media he just could help himself from attacking the judge. All it will take now is for one of his brain dead followers to send a death threat to the judge and bam, that could be all it takes for a gag order at minimum or he could just decide to refuse bail.

 

[unclefishstick]

can you imagine him on the stand? he'd rack up a perjury and contempt of court charge in the first 5 minutes

 

[HempKat]

Okay everyone let's take a short break for a bit of entertainment...

 

[Zeez]

I'm guessing there might not be hair dressing and makeup available in the clink.

 

[HempKat]

I'm guessing there might not be hair dressing and makeup available in the clink.

Maybe not the traditional kind but I hear that the inmates can do amazing stuff with leftover food and toothpaste.

 

[HempKat]

On a more serious note I find myself really irritated by the defense the GOP has been coming up with for Trump and it's something that should be seriously pissing off the majority of Americans who value the concept of the rule of law and/or equally justice under the law or at least those of us who can't afford to hire high priced defense attirneys. Essentially their best defense has been this is too minor of an offense to bring against someone that is running for President and/or is a former President and therefore to pursue such a minor charge can only be viewed as a political attack. Basically the charge is business fraud and for the second crime required to upgrade it to a felony, campaign finance violation. Now right off the bat they're basically saying if you're "elite" enough the law on this matter should just be overlooked. Which means that the GOP is clearly against the idea of no man is above the law. If any of us commited the level of business fraud this represents or we commited a Campaign finance violation you know there wouldn't be Congressmen and Senators saying the law should just be overlooked because it's too trivial (unless of course we were running as a Republican). Then there is the idea that they feel if a law being broken isn't a big enough crime then it should be ignored. Imagine that, lawmakers seriously suggesting some laws should just be ignored. Mind you these are laws that at some point in time these lawmakers made law. If there are laws that are too trivial to be pursued then why have those laws in the first place? Another interesting point in the defense these GOP politicians are making is they are pretty much accepting that the law was in fact broken but they feel we should ignore it. I've not heard any of these politicians making an even weak arguement that no laws were broken I have heard Trump's lawyer try to do that but that's his job. The also seem to all be pretty hung up on the idea that this law isn't as serious as oh let's say, stealing Top Secret classified documents or organizing a violent insurrection against the Government. Which is in fact true, it's not as serious a crime as those other things but come on. By their logic if we get charged with murder and theft we should be able to tell the judge that it's unfair to charge us with the theft because it's much less serious then murder.

Another thing that all seem to be suggesting is that this indictment shouldn't happen because no President has ever been indicted (or for Trump supporters "indicated" That however is not because this happens all the time but because it's a President doing it we just look the other way. There are three reasons why it's unprescedented is mainly because no President has stooped to breaking law or at the least if they did break the law they were smart enough and competent enough to not get caught. The third reason thanks to Gerald Ford in the case of Nixon, is that he pardonned Nixon before an indictment could be made.

 

[armedoldhippy]

I'm sure his hard cores believe every word of the "I'm a victim" rap.

you know, Hitler actually served 5 years in prison after the beer hall clusterfuck blew up in his face. he spent his time writing "Mein Kampf"... maybe some slammer time will motivate The Chump ?

 

[HempKat]

you know, Hitler actually served 5 years in prison after the beer hall clusterfuck blew up in his face. he spent his time writing "Mein Kampf"... maybe some slammer time will motivate The Chump ?

Hmmm, "The Art of the Squeal" maybe?

 

[comfy markoth]

can you imagine him on the stand? he'd rack up a perjury and contempt of court charge in the first 5 minutes

"It was a perfect perjury, and a contempt of court, the likes of which have never been seen before"

 

[GOT_BUD?]

you know, Hitler actually served 5 years in prison after the beer hall clusterfuck blew up in his face. he spent his time writing "Mein Kampf"... maybe some slammer time will motivate The Chump ?

Hitler was a young man when that happened. Trump... isn't.

 

[Hammerhead]

Trump CLEARLY has a mental disorder. He could get a more serious charge for attacking the judge as he did.

 

[igrowone]

Trump is desperately trying to work his posse into a frenzy
this thread is a pretty good indicator of how it's going
hear any trumpets? the hard core isn't so hard anymore

 

[Zeez]

Trump CLEARLY has a mental disorder. He could get a more serious charge for attacking the judge as he did.

Looks like he got away with that one.
I could see Chump going that much further next time and the judge abruptly ending the leniency.

 

[Hammerhead]

He switched from being a fake Democrat to a real Republican lol. I see a heart attack coming living as he does. Way too much stress full of BS to be good for the mind/body