Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

[armedoldhippy]

The MAGA base will believe anything

this is true, but the base isn't enough to put him in office. i think he's bleeding voters daily, myself, in spite of polls . i'm trying to think of a group of voters he has NOT offended (besides straight white males) and can't think of one. now, he has stepped onto the third rail of politics by advocating cutting Social Security. i think he's gone over the edge mentally...

 

[Zeez]

Uncle Vlad to the Rescue

$91.6M bond​

In a recent MSNBC op-ed, Johnston highlighted that Trump’s debt is owed to Chubb, a mammoth Swiss insurance company with significant interests in Russia.

With Chubb owning three insurance firms in the Kremlin’s backyard, Johnston paints a worrying picture: “I call owing a fortune to anyone, but especially foreign interests that do business in Russia, a national security nightmare.”

 

[GOT_BUD?]

If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything...

Tucker Carlson Duped By YouTubers Into Interviewing Fake Kate Middleton Whistleblower

Tucker Carlson fooled by YouTubers Josh & Archie posing as a Kensington Palace whistleblower over edited Kate Middleton photo.

deadline.com

 

[HempKat]

If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything...

Tucker Carlson Duped By YouTubers Into Interviewing Fake Kate Middleton Whistleblower

Tucker Carlson fooled by YouTubers Josh & Archie posing as a Kensington Palace whistleblower over edited Kate Middleton photo.

deadline.com

This is about as predictable as fish duped using shiny metal fishing lure. Except that Tucker is even less capable of critcal thinking then fish.

 

[armedoldhippy]

This is about as predictable as fish duped using shiny metal fishing lure. Except that Tucker is even less capable of critical thinking then fish.

he -might- be brighter than a bluegill or redeye, but that's about it...

 

[HempKat]

he -might- be brighter than a bluegill or redeye, but that's about it...

Well I'm no expert on fish, so I'll defer to your knowledge. I was thinking more along the lines of catfish because I've heard they bite on pretty much anything.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

 

[HempKat]

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See, now this is the point that if I was a Trump supporter (shudders at even just the thought of such a thing), I would be like "wait a second, I thought you were a multi Billionare, why don't you sell off one of those golf courses that have been losing money anyway, to cover your legal bills? Why should I have to keep going on a diet of nothing but Ramen Noodles for month's at a time so that I can send you a large chunk of my Social Security check that you're threatening to cut? Just so you don't have to take any losses because you can't do business honestly and can't stop running your mouth defaming some woman whose pussy you grabbed a couple of decades ago?"

 

[Zeez]

this is true, but the base isn't enough to put him in office. i think he's bleeding voters daily, myself, in spite of polls . i'm trying to think of a group of voters he has NOT offended (besides straight white males) and can't think of one. now, he has stepped onto the third rail of politics by advocating cutting Social Security. i think he's gone over the edge mentally...

Pathological liar​

A liar lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little awareness.

• It is viewed as a coping mechanism developed in early childhood and is often associated with some other type of mental health disorder like an antisocial personality disorder. It could be that they lie to avoid something traumatic that happened in their lives, such as abuse, or the condition may be genetic.
• When it comes to pathological liars, it is observed that people who have an antisocial personality disorder (APD) and narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) indulge in lying.
• A pathological liar is often goal-oriented (i.e., focused, one tells lies to get their way).
• They have very little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others.
• They are often considered manipulative and cunning.
• They create extravagant stories that may be maintained or tweaked over time, and they often believe their lies or have a weak grip on reality.
• Unlike compulsive liars, pathological liars are near impossible to catch in the act. These people are excellent liars because they lie constantly and make stories up unnecessarily, and often, it becomes extremely difficult to distinguish the truth from false statements.
• Pathological liars know how to be confident while lying and use their pathological lying trait as a defense mechanism (e.g. they fix their gaze upon you rather than looking away).
• Some of the symptoms of a pathological liar are: they lie to gain something, exaggerating things, they keep on changing their stories, and they live in a false sense of ‘reality.’ If confronted, they act defensive and never admit that they are liars. Lastly, they hold no value for truth.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

And I totally believe them. :winkwinknudgenudge:

https://www.salon.com/2024/03/15/team-algorithm-after-campaign-ads-on-pro-nazi-content/

 

[armedoldhippy]

Zeez, Got_Bud, Hempkat...

 

[HempKat]

Happy belated Saint Patrick's Day to all who celebrated it.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

 

[Zeez]

Chump goes public that he doesn't have the $450M to cover the bond. Ironically, he made this statement while standing in front of his private 757 that he flew in on. Only seven days left to come up with the cash and then the state of NY starts securing his highly leveraged assets.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/17/biden-state-of-the-union-invitation-republicans

 

[igrowone]

Chump goes public that he doesn't have the $450M to cover the bond. Ironically, he made this statement while standing in front of his private 757 that he flew in on. Only seven days left to come up with the cash and then the state of NY starts securing his highly leveraged assets.

 

[HempKat]

Chump goes public that he doesn't have the $450M to cover the bond. Ironically, he made this statement while standing in front of his private 757 that he flew in on. Only seven days left to come up with the cash and then the state of NY starts securing his highly leveraged assets.

Yeah, he should have said that he doesn't have enough money to cover the bond without having to lose some of the nice "stuff" he has. Still I'm thoroughly enjoying watching him squirm as the clock keeps ticking and he keeps getting rejected by banks and bonds companies that won't cover him with property as collateral. Which of course is because with everyone knowing the situation Trump is currently in, all of his prized properties are now only worth a much smaller fraction then they should be worth and an even smaller fraction of what he personally thinks they're worth. Still he really doesn't want to use his properties as collateral because he knows he's likely going to lose any appeal which means he would lose any property he might use to secure a loan or bond. Now he doesn't actually have to have a bond to appeal but if he doesn't put up a bond in 7 days, NY AG Letitia James can start siezing his properties and selling them off to cover the bond. At that point should he win his appeal he would get the bond money she raised back but the property would remain lost. Frankly it couldn't be happening to a more deserving guy. If he weren't so greedy and/or stupid he would have sold off enough of those properties in advance to cover any potential judgements back when he could have still gotten fair market value. Of course he didn't want to because he knows that the appeals are only a delay tactic for him. If he was truly confident in winning any of these appeals he wouldn't worry about potentially losing them.

 

[blazeoneup]

I'm not sure how I feel about the Trump situation. I mean they're essentially upset, saying he inflated the value of his assets in order to secure a loan. That's exactly what the governments did last year when they increased the property taxes across the country by the largest number in history. They've essentially inflated the US economy, by over evaluating the price of real estate assets. Which is exactly what Trump's under fire for right now. They're hypocrites to some degree certainly. To Donalds credit, he did pay the loan off in full. That's more than we can say about the government.

Unless you go back to 1835, the only time the government ever serviced its debt in full.

I don't know what's worse the democrats or republicans. I know in the battle of red vs blue the only corporation to win is the government. That's generally not to the benefit of the citizens. The government would love to subsidize all of our living expenses so companies pay all the taxes. The government generates more revenue taxing income in higher tax brackets. So the less employees make the more corporations make, the more a corporation makes the more tax collected by the largest corporation of them all. Subsidized living and care is subpar at best and certainly not worth the cost.

Who am I to complain right? They made me a lot of money with their over inflated asset value now I'm loaded.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

I don't know what's worse the democrats or republicans.

Which party is trying to turn the US into an autocratic state with a manchild at the helm?

I'll take 81 years over 91 felonies any day of the week. Only a moron or a psychopath would choose differently.

 

[HempKat]

I'm not sure how I feel about the Trump situation. I mean they're essentially upset, saying he inflated the value of his assets in order to secure a loan. That's exactly what the governments did last year when they increased the property taxes across the country by the largest number in history. They've essentially inflated the US economy, by over evaluating the price of real estate assets. Which is exactly what Trump's under fire for right now. They're hypocrites to some degree certainly. To Donalds credit, he did pay the loan off in full. That's more than we can say about the government.

Unless you go back to 1835, the only time the government ever serviced its debt in full.

I don't know what's worse the democrats or republicans. I know in the battle of red vs blue the only corporation to win is the government. That's generally not to the benefit of the citizens. The government would love to subsidize all of our living expenses so companies pay all the taxes. The government generates more revenue taxing income in higher tax brackets. So the less employees make the more corporations make, the more a corporation makes the more tax collected by the largest corporation of them all. Subsidized living and care is subpar at best and certainly not worth the cost.

Who am I to complain right? They made me a lot of money with their over inflated asset value now I'm loaded.

Well theere are several errors in what you're basing your conclusions on thereby increasing the chance that your conclusion will also be in error. First off iwith the Trump situation, the case of his inflating values is only one of the four different matters he's indicted on so to say that's why "they" are upset is incorrect. Also it's not just about him falsely inflating values to secure a loan, that was just part of it, when it came time to pay taxes on those same properties he would find ways to falsely devalue the same properties to either pay less taxes or pay no taxes at all. Now on the surface these might seem like harmless crimes but the aren't. Lending institutions only have a limited amount of money to loan and so when one person fraudulently misrepresents the value of his property to get a bigger loan then he would normally qualify for honestly that means that somewhre along the way someone who may be borrowing in good faith will be unable to get a loan because someone else got more then they were entitled to. With taxes the victims are everyone else who benefits from those taxes, less tax revenues means less money to pay for things that government does for or offers it citizens and so maybe the population as a whole loses out on things they would have benefitted from if the government raised more tax revenue. If the short fall in tax revenue is bad enough then another result is the government charges everyone else higher taxes in order to pay for the things it wants to do or the serviices it wants to offer.

Now as far as the government raising values to increase tax revenue, that's nothing even remotely like what Trump did. I'm not sure how it is in all States or Counties but in the one's Ive lived in the value that is appraised to property for taxes is always significant;y less then the actual value, usually it's about half the real value. So if they do increase the value to raise more taxes it's still going to be a good bit less then if they based it on the true value. In Trump's case when he inflated the value of his properties it was solely for his benefit. When the government raises values to increase tax revenue it's generally speaking for the benefit of everyone under the jurisdiction of that government.

As far as Trump paying off his loans he only did that because he had to if he ever wanted to get a loan in the future Trump has a fairly long history of getting out of financial obligations by declaring bankruptcy. Fortunately for the banks loans aren't one of the debts you can escape by bankruptcy. Trump also has a well established history of not paying people for the goods or services he went to them for, often to the harm of the people he didn't pay, just ask Rudy Giuliani or any of a number of construction companies who had to go out of business when Trump defaulted on what he owed them.

As far as taxing individuals vs corporations while it is true that corporations generally pay higher taxes then individuals because they pay more money the comparisson you're trying to make is false because corporations generally pay at much lower rates then individuals and they have more ways to shield their income then individuals do. For example a company can do all the same business and make the same profits and yet avoid the taxes simply by moving their headquarters to a more tax friendly country. That was the whole basis for Trump reducing the tax rates and giving such a huge tax cut to the wealthy, to give them a reason to move back to the US. Except they still kept their manufacturing where the labor was cheapest so it didn't bring in all the jobs Trump made it sound like his tax cuts would bring.

As far as who is worse, Democrats or Republicans? That's a flawed question because there are good and bad individuals in both parties. That sort of thinking capitalizes off the fact that most people want to vote in a particular party and just not be bothered with thinking about it much until the next election. That's also why politicians make grand promises based on a party platform and yet somehow those promises rarely materialize. Unfortunately until people start paying more attention and holding politicians accountable regardless of their party, these sorts of problems contnue.

All of these issues exist because people tend to only look at things in a superficial way. As the old saying goes, "the devil is in the details" and this is true whether you're talking about the law, the courts, taxes, governments or politicians.