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Trump administration hints at ‘greater enforcement’ of marijuana laws
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Everywhere in America is federal property 100% of it.
I am betting that HT sells tickets and it gets turned into another concert with no cup just like in Nevada.
That is unless California decides to tell the Feds to screw off which I could see hopefully happening.
I personally wouldn't make any plans to go to any of the HT cups until they pull of a few successful events.
I am betting that HT sells tickets and it gets turned into another concert with no cup just like in Nevada.
That is unless California decides to tell the Feds to screw off which I could see hopefully happening.
I personally wouldn't make any plans to go to any of the HT cups until they pull of a few successful events.
Kinda. It gets murky because tribal lands generally aren't subject to state laws but rather federal laws. The reservation isn't part of the State of Nevada. It gets even stranger because no 2 treaties establishing their limited sovereignty are the same.
It cuts both ways, too. That's how there are Indian Casinos in states where gambling is illegal. There are probably ways for tribes to legalize cannabis the way that it was done in DC but that apparently didn't happen where the HT event was held.
Shmavis
Being-in-the-world
Apologies, Scrappy. I try not to post in these political threads, but after a few stiff drinks it seems I went and ran my mouth. No disrespect. Nothing personal.
And I see what you’re saying and I don’t (at this time) expect you’ll be proven wrong. But...
They don’t have to house you in a prison or jail, or even necessarily run you through the court system, to come and take your shit. (But in reality, running you through the system is revenue for them - they wanna run ya through.)
What happens if the feds tell the states to turn over their cardholder registries? There are many ways for this to all end badly. I don’t buy fear of political fallout as a deterrent, not with this knee-jerk law & order administration. Not to mention that one of their regularly stated intentions is to increase the law enforcement budget.
We just don’t know at this point, and have to wait to see how it plays out. But with access to cardholders’ names and addresses, it would be easy work. And it could come in the guise of compliance checks. Regulatory nonsense and whatnot. My state’s AG has been pushing for some time for access to the caregiver registry. Drug War 101, as Bob Green rightfully stated. Or if they’re really serious they’ll just say, “hey, electric companies, those sure are some fancy data gathering devices y’all got there...” In short, if they decide to come after us, they will have the resources to do so.
Time for me to respectfully
duck back out.None of that really fits with the Admin's remarks. They're threatening rec cannabis, not med growers per se. Repubs have basically conceded wrt medical in states that vote for it. The feds don't have the manpower for what you describe, anyway, nor will the public support it. Neither state govts nor power providers are likely to roll over easily, either, because the feds lack the statutory authority to make it stick.Apologies, Scrappy. I try not to post in these political threads, but after a few stiff drinks it seems I went and ran my mouth. No disrespect. Nothing personal.
And I see what you’re saying and I don’t (at this time) expect you’ll be proven wrong. But...
They don’t have to house you in a prison or jail, or even necessarily run you through the court system, to come and take your shit. (But in reality, running you through the system is revenue for them - they wanna run ya through.)
What happens if the feds tell the states to turn over their cardholder registries? There are many ways for this to all end badly. I don’t buy fear of political fallout as a deterrent, not with this knee-jerk law & order administration. Not to mention that one of their regularly stated intentions is to increase the law enforcement budget.
We just don’t know at this point, and have to wait to see how it plays out. But with access to cardholders’ names and addresses, it would be easy work. And it could come in the guise of compliance checks. Regulatory nonsense and whatnot. My state’s AG has been pushing for some time for access to the caregiver registry. Drug War 101, as Bob Green rightfully stated. Or if they’re really serious they’ll just say, “hey, electric companies, those sure are some fancy data gathering devices y’all got there...” In short, if they decide to come after us, they will have the resources to do so.
Time for me to respectfully
Various state & local govts are still trying to put the screws to med growers, however. The best defense for that is to keep the paperwork straight & the numbers right. Beyond that, the best defense against the feds is to not do business interstate. They yuge woodie they have for guys who do may well get bigger.
Shmavis
Being-in-the-world
Please read the Supremacy Clause. (If not the whole Constitution). This is most likely a battle that could start with the Commerce Clause. Most likely route. But if there's a desire to push the issue, will result in a ruling on the Supremacy Clause. You say that the feds lack authority...
Dude, they are THE authority. And again, the point is lost, you’re arguing that the feds don’t have the manpower... enforcement need not happen only at a fed level. This is the main point I was initially making. Everyone who claims this as an obstacle seems to think that only the feds can enforce...
Ya know, for the savvy reader, those hypotheticals I presented, were clearly hypotheticals. We don’t know, right, I think I said that.
Someday. I would like to see all citizens required to pass courses in sentential logic; AND, government. I'm not a fan of alternative facts.
We all have dreams. Good night to all.
Stay Gel^N 247
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Bad news to do anything illegal on tribal land. Those places are under constant surveillance by Fed agencies. I travel through many different reservations, I've heard stories and seen the proof for myself.
And I'll tell you honestly, some of the people in the tribe will find out who you are and blackmail you for anything they can find. They will think they own you. Stay away
Avoid those places like the plague.
And I'll tell you honestly, some of the people in the tribe will find out who you are and blackmail you for anything they can find. They will think they own you. Stay away
Avoid those places like the plague.
If you have a field with 35,000 stoners in it, you would have to think of the weather, and what is down-wind from the stoner filled field.
It brings up all sorts of logistical questions.
It brings up all sorts of logistical questions.
CACTUSFLOWER
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The government isn't finished attacking Indians yet? When is enough enough?
"you will be assimilated. resistance is futile..." if they were to quit bothering any group of people, it would be a tacit admission that they were wrong to start with. when have they EVER admitted that they were wrong about ANYTHING? see also- slavery, war on drugs, etc.
Barack Obama's master plan:
1) Wiretap the opposition
2) Gather damaging info
3) Say nothing
4) Let him win
5) Ride off into the sunset
The bizarre absurdity of claiming his phones were "tapped by Obama" shows that Trump is insane. Trump needs to resign and take Sessions & Spicer with him.
1) Wiretap the opposition
2) Gather damaging info
3) Say nothing
4) Let him win
5) Ride off into the sunset
The bizarre absurdity of claiming his phones were "tapped by Obama" shows that Trump is insane. Trump needs to resign and take Sessions & Spicer with him.
Please read the Supremacy Clause. (If not the whole Constitution). This is most likely a battle that could start with the Commerce Clause. Most likely route. But if there's a desire to push the issue, will result in a ruling on the Supremacy Clause. You say that the feds lack authority...
And again, the point is lost, you’re arguing that the feds don’t have the manpower... enforcement need not happen only at a fed level. This is the main point I was initially making. Everyone who claims this as an obstacle seems to think that only the feds can enforce...
Ya know, for the savvy reader, those hypotheticals I presented, were clearly hypotheticals. We don’t know, right, I think I said that.
Someday. I would like to see all citizens required to pass courses in sentential logic; AND, government. I'm not a fan of alternative facts.
We all have dreams. Good night to all.
Sigh. I said the feds lack the authority to make states & Power Co's give up MMJ grower lists or engage in mass surveillance of power usage. They'd have to sue to even try. If they could just do as you suggest I figure it would have been attempted years ago.
State & local authorities cannot enforce federal law, only state law. Most of the time States have adopted their own statutes to put up a solid front but not wrt cannabis. If you're square with state law then State authorities can't touch you, regardless of federal statutes. That's been obvious for years. That's how CO authorities cooperate with the DEA to bust interstate carpetbaggers- it's a violation of CO law to sell or ship cannabis out of state. Reference-
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/yes-states-can-nullify-some-federal-laws-not-all
In CO, for example, both MMJ & Rec are covered by the state constitution that prevents state authorities from enforcing federal law. Changing that requires a vote of the people.
Please refer to the original remarks by Spicer & Sessions. Those remarks are specific to recreational marijuana, not MMJ. They haven't offered that they intend a crackdown on MMJ at all. If you think they have, give us a quote.
Stay Gel^N 247
Member
35000 stoners in a field...
For me I would like to be somewhere with green grass, rolling hills and very few trees. So we can all lay on the grass, watch clouds float by and maybe roll down a hill if we feel the need...
Yeah...
Shmavis
Being-in-the-world
The two sentences in bold are for emphasis - done by me.
The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land.[1] It provides that state courts are bound by the supreme law; in case of conflict between federal and state law, the federal law must be applied. Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.[2] In essence, it is a conflict-of-laws rule specifying that certain national acts take priority over any state acts that conflict with national law...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause
On the privacy, or lack thereof, regarding a customer's usage:
(2) Who should be entitled to privacy protections relating to energy information?
“A nation-wide survey of federal and state case law in June 2010 shows that the majority of courts have held that there is no legitimate expectation of privacy in utility customer power consumption records, in the context of subpoenas and requests for records by law enforcement.”
https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/gcprod/documents/Avista_Comments_DataAccess.pdf
Again, bold is my added emphasis regarding the ability of state and local law enforcement being able to enforce federal law:
"...This cooperation provided several advantages to all participating agencies: DEA was able to draw on the expertise of state of local law enforcement; DEA could share resources with state and local officers, thereby increasing the investigative possibilities available to all; state and local officers could be deputized as federal drug agents, thus extending their jurisdiction; state and local participating agencies could receive an equitable share of forfeited drug proceeds; and DEA could pay overtime and investigative expenses for the state and local agencies.
...Participating state and local task force officers are deputized to perform the same functions as DEA special agents."
https://www.dea.gov/ops/taskforces.shtml
I hate to break it to you, but should the feds decide to wipe their ass with your state’s constitution, they have the authority to do so. Your state's constitution does not supersede federal law. Nor does it prevent the enforcement of federal law should the feds say it doesn't.
I'd like to reiterate that I did not claim that they are coming after med cardholders. Should they decide that they want to though, there's little to stop them. And given the proceeds they're likely to accumulate through forfeiture, they might see it as a good idea.
For what it's worth, a few years ago there was an article in my local online newspaper. It was about a township near me requesting that the electric company share with them info on customers with unusually high usage. There was a comment from a spokesperson for the electric company. To paraphrase, she said they were willing to do so and it would mostly be a matter of determining what exactly constituted "unusually high". (No pun intended
) Now truthfully I didn't follow up on any of that so have no knowledge as to whether that sharing ended up taking place or not. But the point is that the spokesperson wasn't bucking the request in any way... Stay safe, sir.
I think what Gypsy was trying to say is 35,000 people would create a foggy mist the likes of Merlin's dragon in that field..and can I bring my metal detector? I might find Arthur, or a Tudor coin....or a pottery shard, but it won't pick that up because it's pottery. I might be put to good use finding everyones lighter, in which you stoners seem to drop so much.(sigh)...me too, I lose em, then I find em..
Stay Gel^N 247
Member
Maybe we can all sit in one big circle, so we can blow a smoke ring big enough to see from space!!
Get it in the Guinness world records.
Then maybe we can get the Blue Angels to fly through it like a victory celebration. That would be a great plan for when Federal legalization happens!
Get it in the Guinness world records.
Then maybe we can get the Blue Angels to fly through it like a victory celebration. That would be a great plan for when Federal legalization happens!
Trump businesses granted 38 trademarks today in China. Why is this important ?
Because Trump tried for the last 10 years to get trademarks in China with no success.
Now that he is POTUS, the Chinese Government breezed them through at a record pace.
A clear violation of the USA Constitution, a sitting President receiving business favors from another country, for his own business interests.
There was no divestment or actual separation from his business interests, what he tried was just a joke & anybody in business knows this.
As usual, his supporters will try to blame Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton for this.
Let the crickets chirp in the silence from his supporters.
Impeach Trump now !
Because Trump tried for the last 10 years to get trademarks in China with no success.
Now that he is POTUS, the Chinese Government breezed them through at a record pace.
A clear violation of the USA Constitution, a sitting President receiving business favors from another country, for his own business interests.
There was no divestment or actual separation from his business interests, what he tried was just a joke & anybody in business knows this.
As usual, his supporters will try to blame Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton for this.
Let the crickets chirp in the silence from his supporters.
Impeach Trump now !
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