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Trucker Convoy

moose eater

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if there is a way to truly flush thc and metabolites from the human body, no one (including my sympathetic MD) is letting the cat out of the bag. ideally, some bright boy would come up with a condom-like device that you could wear & piss through that would chemically cleanse your urine as it passes through. this would work for all cases except actual witnessed testing. make a hell of a lot of money selling something like that...currently, clean urine from a non-smoking friend hidden in your prison pocket is the only sure way to pass.

'Flushing' temporarily dilutes the concentration of metabolite or ketones in the urine in the system. It works well, but timing is of the essence. The concentration of THC in fatty tissue remains. But your fat cells aren't urinating directly into the kidneys and bladder, so as long as the reservoir of urine is heavily diluted, then you'll be better off by flushing or drinking lots of fluids.

It was held years ago that high-pectin fruit drinks (the highest concentration of pectin being in unfiltered apple juice, if I recall correctly) helps to collect residuals, but if you're simultaneously being checked for blood sugar, as is done for purchasing life insurance, then the high-pectin fruit juice ploy is a self-defeating avenue.

Otherwise, drink a LOT of H2O starting the night before a known test and continue up to immediately before the test.

I had a number of parolees as clients when I worked in mental health in Southcentral Alaska. When the PO was flying in for an impromptu visit to the community, there was a semi-official phone tree the parolees activated, and they'd warn each other, then those contacted who imbibed would start drinking H2O. Seemed to be effective; no one I recall got popped.

Others back then used goldenseal, etc., often in obscene volume/dose, and research into excess goldenseal shows damage to internal organs. Imagine beating piss tests based on the H2O in your subscribed method of beating the UA, but killing hard-to-replace organs in the process with the unnecessary (and sometimes toxic) goldenseal.

Average time for water-soluble substances to clear the system (most amphetamines, opiates, etc.) is about 72 hours (AVERAGE).

Longest time I knew of a person to test positive in jail after abstinence was 18 months of certified non-use while locked down. THC being stored in the fatty tissues, the person had been quite obese, and then, while locked down, went into a serious weight-loss program, and were thereby processing the fat tissue they had acquired, and all that was held therein.

Dr. John Morgan, CUNY Pharmacology and medical Professor, who co-authored 'Marijuana Myth, Marijuana Fact', with his significant other, Lynn Zimmer (both of them are deceased now) knew of one case wherein the person tested positive close to 6 months after abstinence.

Some of the better cocaine, McNeil Lab cross-tops (Benzedrine), various forms of Dexedrine, etc., that I encountered on the highways of N. America with my thumb out decades ago, came from truckers. In a pinch, crossing the Continent and needing to stay alert, the diesel pump jockeys where the trucks were filling up could sometimes be a solid source for "when you absolutely, positively, have to get there overnight."
 
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Chi13

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I have heard that vitamin C destroys THC, is this true?

Not as far as a urine test goes, unfortunately. I have heard that vitamin C and/or vinegar might help with the roadside saliva test.

I had to give up pot to get ADHD meds a while ago and pass a urine test, and did a lot of digging. The only sure thing that worked was giving up, and that needed to be six weeks. There were other options but they all seemed hit and miss, such as drinking lots of water, e.t.c.
 

armedoldhippy

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Not as far as a urine test goes, unfortunately. I have heard that vitamin C and/or vinegar might help with the roadside saliva test.

I had to give up pot to get ADHD meds a while ago and pass a urine test, and did a lot of digging. The only sure thing that worked was giving up, and that needed to be six weeks. There were other options but they all seemed hit and miss, such as drinking lots of water, e.t.c.

i've tried damn near every "sure-fire never fail" method before. they all failed...so did I ! 😏 abstinence makes the heart grow fonder...
 

Chi13

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i've tried damn near every "sure-fire never fail" method before. they all failed...so did I ! 😏 abstinence makes the heart grow fonder...

It was actually pretty good to get it out of the system, and giving up was super easy. I like the odd sobriety breaks and the heart did grow fonder, not to mention the effect when I started again. :smoker:
 

armedoldhippy

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It was actually pretty good to get it out of the system, and giving up was super easy. I like the odd sobriety breaks and the heart did grow fonder, not to mention the effect when I started again. :smoker:

if you CAN'T give it up for 6 weeks, you have a problem. if you WON'T give it up for 6 weeks....well, that's a whole different story. 😎
 

St. Phatty

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'Flushing' temporarily dilutes the concentration of metabolite or ketones in the urine in the system. It works well, but timing is of the essence. The concentration of THC in fatty tissue remains. But your fat cells aren't urinating directly into the kidneys and bladder, so as long as the reservoir of urine is heavily diluted, then you'll be better off by flushing or drinking lots of fluids.

It was held years ago that high-pectin fruit drinks (the highest concentration of pectin being in unfiltered apple juice, if I recall correctly) helps to collect residuals, but if you're simultaneously being checked for blood sugar, as is done for purchasing life insurance, then the high-pectin fruit juice ploy is a self-defeating avenue.

Otherwise, drink a LOT of H2O starting the night before a known test and continue up to immediately before the test.

I had a number of parolees as clients when I worked in mental health in Southcentral Alaska. When the PO was flying in for an impromptu visit to the community, there was a semi-official phone tree the parolees activated, and they'd warn each other, then those contacted who imbibed would start drinking H2O. Seemed to be effective; no one I recall got popped.

I would think that Quantity matters.

When I smoke I only smoke "1-hit" quality med bud.

Yesterday I took 2 hits. Most days 4 or 5. i.e. only 4 or 5 lung fuls.

Do the lab tests have a Threshold, below which it doesn't show the presence of THC ?
 

buzzmobile

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I would think that Quantity matters.

When I smoke I only smoke "1-hit" quality med bud.

Yesterday I took 2 hits. Most days 4 or 5. i.e. only 4 or 5 lung fuls.

Do the lab tests have a Threshold, below which it doesn't show the presence of THC ?

Most urine tests: 50 nanograms per milliliter (ng/mL) for urine samples
 

D. B. Doober

Boston, MA
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St. Phatty water! Yes that's how I beat drug tests back in the day...gallons of water 4-8 hours before piss test. Then when it comes time, you've been pissing straight water for hours already. Worked for me. Might be very dangerous though. Lot of water. 2-3 gallons. I never screwed with those detox drinks or tea. I failed my DOT physical well drug test as a deckhand out on Naushon Island/Woods Hole because I only drank like a half gallon and didn't pee first or few times. Really sucked. This was 20 years ago. Pay was $250 a week and free room and board and food. Drug tests are stupid. So many legal states, including mine MA, and they're still out there trying to ruin people's lives over marijuana
 

moose eater

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I would think that Quantity matters.

When I smoke I only smoke "1-hit" quality med bud.

Yesterday I took 2 hits. Most days 4 or 5. i.e. only 4 or 5 lung fuls.

Do the lab tests have a Threshold, below which it doesn't show the presence of THC ?

The fellow I referred to who tested positive for the longest had been severely obese, smoked very high-potency cannabis (for that period), smoked regularly, and was relatively inactive (he was locked up for stealing a Rx pad and writing his own Rx's; he figured it was lesser impact than robbing pharmacies, and he was, at that time, addicted to opiates, thus prison weas a 'get-right' opportunity for him with weight loss, physical fitness in general, etc.).

And my times were incorrect. J. Morgan's person with the longest period of abstinence preceding a Bonafide and confirmed positive UA was about 58 days. However, the fellow I referenced tested positive (not 18 months as I initially stated) 6 mos. after abstinence.

Sorry for the misstatements earlier, though the timeframes are still impressive, even after my correction.

Not sure at what level/limit THC is no longer reported as apparent in the sample'. But as buzz stated, there are cut-offs for testing indicating a true positive, though some private employers establish (or used to) their own limits.
 

armedoldhippy

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obvious dilution from excessive water is treated as a positive most places, others keep you there & re-test in a couple of hours after you piss a few more times. biggest tell-tale clue is color. if it is not yellow, you're fucked. some even check specific gravity of samples. in vast majority of cases, it is the company insurance that is pushing drug testing. feds let them charge more for insurance if the company does not have a drug testing plan in place. you have Richard Nixon & Ronald Reagan to thank for nearly all of this bullshit. before those 2, it was almost exclusively safety-critical jobs that were tested - airline pilots, train engineers, LEO etc.
 

St. Phatty

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Seems like a natural experiment.

Get some Canna-philes, have then consume Canna-minimally & exercise a lot (1 hour+ resulting in lots of sweat), then test their urine.

Sounds like some days of the week I might be able to pass.

The water messing up your electro-lytes - also need to make sure you get iodine (in salt) etc.
 

troutman

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They also say THC gets stored in your fat. I'm screwed.

Eat a bucket of KFC and shit it all out. :laughing:

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audiohi

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Have they tapped out, yet?

I hear they're calling 911 to report all the middle fingers they're getting on the road.

Lots of truckers with hurt feelings
 

shithawk420

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Have they tapped out, yet?

I hear they're calling 911 to report all the middle fingers they're getting on the road.

Lots of truckers with hurt feelings

Hey I got a couple buddies who are truckers.politacal agenda aside it's a lot harder to drive a 16 wheeler.i was just a passenger and those seats hurt.until you've done it don't talk shit about truckers.unless you hunt your food you wouldn't have shit
 

audiohi

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Are your buddies currently driving in circles on the beltway?

I assume that they're doing their jobs, and was not talking about them.

It is not a job that i would want to do. I agree with you.
 

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