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Transcendental Meditation: Scam or Not?

mrcreosote

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Veteran
Howdy Folks,

Ok, we're gonna save a grand because here's the inside scoop on TM from an old commando from '69.
It works exactly like everything else in life. You get out of it what you put into it.

Here we go.
Breath normally, the same way you do when reading IC Mag. See? You are not conscious of your breathing when reading and so should the same apply to meditation, the purpose of which is not be conscious of anything. Loose clothes, comfortable seating, legs crossed on the floor for the guru vibe but any comfy chair will do. Needless to say a quiet, darkened room will be easier to begin with but after some practice you can meditate at a hockey game.

Pick a short 2 syllable mantra. There is no mojo here, it is simply a device to use. Use mo-jo if you like but soft vowel sounds that mush together like ay-ying or ee-yo will roll through your mind with less effort. You won't have to tie them to your particular heartbeat but repeat them to yourself in a lub-dub lub dub pattern without emphasis. It's just the gas used to get you where you can coast without it.

You will stop and start. No problem. Start over. You will screw up your mantra. Start over and don't get frustrated. It means you're getting close because as your mind empties, it means you are no longer concentrating on your mantra and it will just float away.

You'll say "Why can't I stop thinking? I'm not supposed to be thinking." No problem. Keep going. Finish your allocated half hour even if you sat the entire time with your mind spinning. The brain is not used to being silent while conscious, it has to be trained to roll away from thought that you are aware of, or rather it is the ego that is rolling away into the void. If you fall asleep, which is very common, good for you. You had a nice nap. Keep at it.

Some will experience a profound sense of calm and tranquility the first time out and others may take 20 sessions. No problem again because the purpose is not to achieve...anything.
When you first tried to ride a bike you might have thought it impossible but you kept falling and one day you're zooming down the road without a thought to the effort it took to train your muscles to balance while pedaling and steering. Sitting in a chair is far easier.

It will happen. You'll know it because you just will. You may come out from your first successful session deeply emotional, calm or elated, energetic or flaccid and languorous like having the best sleep in your life. Everyone is different. Where do you go? I went nowhere or not 'anywhere' that I can recall. All I know is that when I got back from there I felt different, so I have to assume it was a good place. I can't remember what the official TM branded place I went was called, be that is the least consequential aspect of the experience. Everyone has a different name for 'it' anyway. Pick one you like.

I have never met anyone who practiced TM successfully that said "Well that sucked". As to the claims to reaching higher realms of the angels, Satori, or that ever elusive Nirvana that many purveyors of the meditative arts will try to beguile you and your wallet with, all I know from my personal experience of a couple of years is that I became more insightful to my own nature, more calm and thoughtful of others and an abiding sense of filling my spot in the world in a more meaningful way than I did before.

It hard to describe. Like a very positive use of psychedelics, you become more aware of an inner life that was less accessible than before and I gained an understanding that you don't have to beat your way through life and that like a river that meets a rock, can gently flow around it.

Wow. I sold myself. I'll have to start over again. I might have overused my curmudgeonly asshole niche I sometimes enjoy.

The rest of the stuff with the flowers is so there will be plenty of fresh flowers to create the ambiance for the next crew to run through the classes.
Ya gotta sell the sizzle with the steak.
 

stig

New member
...went through it in the '70s....you nailed my experience. It has been awhile since I have taken the time with it, may be it is time once again...
 

accessndx

♫All I want to do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom..
Veteran
With the techniques I've gleaned from TSM through NSR I've already had some profound experiences. A lot of what other folks have said and some that I've never heard of before. All good and all very different than my years of psychedelic experimentation. It's well worth learning the core technique as described above by Mrcreosote because that's basically it in a nutshell. Saved you a $ and all the nonsense that comes with formal TM training. I already had dodged that bullet and gotten the skinny from NSR which summates things similarly.
I can tell you I've been charting my blood pressure and heart rate regularly....it has an absolute positive impact. Additionally, when I'm diligent in my practice I experience huge extra boosts of energy.
I'm not even going to get into the rest of the magical mystery tour that comes along with this meditation but I can say that I dig it....and have turned on everyone that'll listen....minus the flowers and flamboyance.
I'm still working through the fourth way, I'm not a convert yet but it is an interesting read.
 

satva

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Veteran
I started TM in 1971,,prior to the institutionalization of TM and practiced TM for 20 minutes twice a day for several years. In 1975, I took Buddhist vows which lead to a month long Buddhist meditation retreat - 13 hours a day for 30 days. More people are ready and willing for 20 minutes a day, than 13 hours a day for 30 days. I just completed a two week Buddhist meditation retreat ~ 13 hours a day. I took vows and began Buddhist meditation in 1975 for the reasons you mentioned ~ spotty information or lack thereof.

Maharishi goal was to westernize / globalize meditation and instruct as many people as possible, in as short a time as possible, and keep it simple. I had friends in the 1970's who jumped into meditation with both feet and took full monastic vows, robes and all, a lifetime monastic commitment, verses Maharishi's twenty minutes twice a day. "Its simple, its easy, its good, yes?" Geez, that's all I heard, every mediation instruction, every time for 3 years. The simple fact is - it is true. TM is simple, easy, and good. Not sure, I'd say the same had I taken full monastic vows in the mid-seventies.

My girlfriend and most all of her friends, today 2015 took the 1975 TM teacher training(s) in France and Switzerland, (I believe). My girlfriend, like me, transitioned to taking vows, her with a Northern Hindu guru, in 1980's and for years she traveled 2- 3 times a year to the ashram in southern India to receive teachings. Every month or so she gets a new meditation technique. Meditation techniques are just that a technique. In Buddhist and or Hindu traditions there are several hundred meditation techniques, available upon request from your guru.

TM today, I believe is guruless, and one of the most simple and straight forward meditation techniques. Its up to you if it works, or not. TM for some is a lifetime practice and for others its a gateway to traditional Eastern religion or other forms of spiritual practice. Some people integrate TM with other spiritual practices, some don't, and move on to other forms of spirituality. Some people receive TM and never really practice mediation, its up to you.

I've never heard anybody call TM a scam. Yes, the TM flying class is more like the TM bouncing class. I'm okay with that. I knew two people who took Maharishi's enlightenment class, enlightenment guaranteed, the cost of the class was $1 million dollars, which was a lot of money back then. After the $1 million donation, Maharishi wanted more, from the ultra wealthy!

Maharishi wasn't always good with names and faces, or completely sure who was ultra wealthy after donating $1 million for a class and who was broke. More than a few, were not sure if they got enlightened in the class. Asking for more was Maharishi's buff, because he could, and he was building a small "enlightened city" / large "enlightened" community of meditators in Fairfield, Iowa. Happy or sad, good or bad, you can't build much of an "enlightened city" for a few million dollars.

Resting your mind in meditation is the goal. But without applying some authorized meditation technique, you'll never really know for sure if your meditating or just sitting around in a relaxed state of mind. Once you have 5 - 10 years of daily meditation experience, it helps to have a guru, which is a concern as Maharishi is no longer residing in Fairfax, Iowa.

The interesting aspect of Maharishi's life is that he introduced millions of people all over the world, and specifically in the USA to a daily practice of meditation. Most TM'ers I've met (didn't, or) would never have accepted traditional eastern spirituality ~ monasteries, vows, gurus, esoteric rituals and so on....

Good luck........
 
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Photorikki

Member
I learned TM in 1976.
I could not believe how a simple word (sound) could effect me so strong that I couldn't drive my car home!
I gave my car keys to my friend and asked her to drive!
I had no idea what was involved with TM nor had any preconceived ideas about it.

In 1983 I took the advanced training which included the Flying Technique.
I can assure you that it is true.
You do actually lift off the ground and hop along like your getting pushed by something.

I learned the techniques but stayed away from the center.
I learned very cheap and can't stand the high cost of learning TM.

But the world would be better off if everyone meditated.
It seems to be popular now and I like that!
 
Nice post Mr. C... thanks for verbalizing the experience

Howdy Folks,

Ok, we're gonna save a grand because here's the inside scoop on TM from an old commando from '69.
It works exactly like everything else in life. You get out of it what you put into it.

Here we go.
Breath normally, the same way you do when reading IC Mag. See? You are not conscious of your breathing when reading and so should the same apply to meditation, the purpose of which is not be conscious of anything. Loose clothes, comfortable seating, legs crossed on the floor for the guru vibe but any comfy chair will do. Needless to say a quiet, darkened room will be easier to begin with but after some practice you can meditate at a hockey game.

Pick a short 2 syllable mantra. There is no mojo here, it is simply a device to use. Use mo-jo if you like but soft vowel sounds that mush together like ay-ying or ee-yo will roll through your mind with less effort. You won't have to tie them to your particular heartbeat but repeat them to yourself in a lub-dub lub dub pattern without emphasis. It's just the gas used to get you where you can coast without it.

You will stop and start. No problem. Start over. You will screw up your mantra. Start over and don't get frustrated. It means you're getting close because as your mind empties, it means you are no longer concentrating on your mantra and it will just float away.

You'll say "Why can't I stop thinking? I'm not supposed to be thinking." No problem. Keep going. Finish your allocated half hour even if you sat the entire time with your mind spinning. The brain is not used to being silent while conscious, it has to be trained to roll away from thought that you are aware of, or rather it is the ego that is rolling away into the void. If you fall asleep, which is very common, good for you. You had a nice nap. Keep at it.

Some will experience a profound sense of calm and tranquility the first time out and others may take 20 sessions. No problem again because the purpose is not to achieve...anything.
When you first tried to ride a bike you might have thought it impossible but you kept falling and one day you're zooming down the road without a thought to the effort it took to train your muscles to balance while pedaling and steering. Sitting in a chair is far easier.

It will happen. You'll know it because you just will. You may come out from your first successful session deeply emotional, calm or elated, energetic or flaccid and languorous like having the best sleep in your life. Everyone is different. Where do you go? I went nowhere or not 'anywhere' that I can recall. All I know is that when I got back from there I felt different, so I have to assume it was a good place. I can't remember what the official TM branded place I went was called, be that is the least consequential aspect of the experience. Everyone has a different name for 'it' anyway. Pick one you like.

I have never met anyone who practiced TM successfully that said "Well that sucked". As to the claims to reaching higher realms of the angels, Satori, or that ever elusive Nirvana that many purveyors of the meditative arts will try to beguile you and your wallet with, all I know from my personal experience of a couple of years is that I became more insightful to my own nature, more calm and thoughtful of others and an abiding sense of filling my spot in the world in a more meaningful way than I did before.

It hard to describe. Like a very positive use of psychedelics, you become more aware of an inner life that was less accessible than before and I gained an understanding that you don't have to beat your way through life and that like a river that meets a rock, can gently flow around it.

Wow. I sold myself. I'll have to start over again. I might have overused my curmudgeonly asshole niche I sometimes enjoy.

The rest of the stuff with the flowers is so there will be plenty of fresh flowers to create the ambiance for the next crew to run through the classes.
Ya gotta sell the sizzle with the steak.
 
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