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Switcher56

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Microbeman

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Gry said:

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Far be it from me to excuse the behaviour of any big pharma-company. The greed is appalling. It is however a misnomer and gross error to blame this 'American' crisis on opioids-opiates in general. The Oxycontin formulation which is so addictive is derived from a poppy plant created by biologists (makes me ashamed) to produce almost a singular alkaloid, thebaine, which must be further processed to be the analgesic it is; also way more addictive than morphine. These 'super doper' poppies were cultivated mostly in Australia and the harvest shipped directly to company processing plants.

Although there are many alkaloids in varying degrees in poppy plants the main ones are morphine, codeine, thebaine, papaverine and noscapine. Morphine and codeine with other alkaloids as adjuvants act as powerful analgesics. The other alkaloids also act as regulators, in similar fashion to CBD as a THC in cannabis antagonist and agonist. [I see cannabis companies going down the chemical isolation pathway as well; dangerous IMO]

So what they did was create something beyond the addictiveness of natural opiates rather than what they advertised. I am saying that all opiates-opioids should not be vilified with the same broad brush and physicians should not be frightened into not using them to alleviate pain.
 
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Families say they need three times poverty rate to ‘get by,’ $85,000

Getting by is getting harder and harder.

Hit with high inflation — especially on basics such as food, clothing, and fuel — families believe they need an income of at least $85,000 just to “get by,” nearly triple the federal poverty rate and way more than the $58,000 they needed just 10 years ago.
Families of four told Gallup the poverty rate of $30,000 doesn’t cut it anymore and that those who make $100,000 or more say that’s their get-by floor.

“Americans' perceptions of the minimum income a family of four needs are influenced by their own financial circumstances. Specifically, those with an annual household income of $100,000 or more project $100,000, on average, as necessary for a family to get by. Middle-income respondents, those with between $40,000 and $99,999 in annual income, estimate a family needs about $80,000. Meanwhile, those earning less than $40,000 believe an income of about $66,000 suffices,” Gallup said.
And it’s not just driven by inflation. “In 2013, the average estimate was $58,000, and the federal poverty line for a family of four was $23,550. Accounting for inflation and the subsequent change in purchasing power, Americans’ 2013 estimate translates to $75,668 in 2023 dollars. Their 2023 estimate therefore reflects an increase of about $9,000 in perceived family needs beyond what inflation alone would account for,” the national pollster said.
The survey backs up reports of more people being forced to find second jobs or side hustles to make ends meet.

It also explained why just 18% feel good about the state of the nation, about half the past average, and why President Joe Biden is suffering from some of his worst approval rates ever.

The “bottom line,” Gallup said, was that “the rise in perceived necessary income to support a family of four highlights the economic pressure facing American households as high inflation stretches into a second year.”
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Families say they need three times poverty rate to ‘get by,’ $85,000

Getting by is getting harder and harder.
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Gry

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Microbeman said:
Far be it from me to excuse the behaviour of any big pharma-company. The greed is appalling. It is however a misnomer and gross error to blame this 'American' crisis on opioids-opiates in general. The Oxycontin formulation which is so addictive is derived from a poppy plant created by biologists (makes me ashamed) to produce almost a singular alkaloid, thebaine, which must be further processed to be the analgesic it is; also way more addictive than morphine. These 'super doper' poppies were cultivated mostly in Australia and the harvest shipped directly to company processing plants.

Although there are many alkaloids in varying degrees in poppy plants the main ones are morphine, codeine, thebaine, papaverine and noscapine. Morphine and codeine with other alkaloids as adjuvants act as powerful analgesics. The other alkaloids also act as regulators, in similar fashion to CBD as a THC in cannabis antagonist and agonist. [I see cannabis companies going down the chemical isolation pathway as well; dangerous IMO]

So what they did was create something beyond the addictiveness of natural opiates rather than what they advertised. I am saying that all opiates-opioids should not be vilified with the same broad brush and physicians should not be frightened into not using them to alleviate pain.
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That is something I have been well aware of for quite a while.
In my mind what the bastards did illustrates the degree of ill intent the outfit had right from the inception.
They specifically tailored their product to have it's barbs stick in deeper and be harder to step away from right from the frigging inception.
They would take and dip the cuttings into a solution that changes
how the plant grows and alters the ratios of what it would normally
produce, with the levels of thebaine I think it was skyrocketing .
They pay the people who grow the stuff for them based off how high
the production rate of that one compound in the plants are.
If that does not demonstrate that they knew and understood
quite well exactly what they were doing, I am not sure what could.

The sad truth is that we live in such a corrupt society, that
they have been able to pay their way out of this.
Big pharma runs things in DC and has since we were kids, but
it has gotten a lot worse in our lifetimes.
I will at this point suggest that is real fine illustration
of what happens when the corporate gets to buy off the politicians.
We the public gets screwed all to hell while our government.
shelters those who did it.

Fascism is not something one slips into by accident.
 
moose eater

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Gry said:
That is something I have been well aware of for quite a while.
In my mind what the bastards did illustrates the degree of ill intent the outfit had right from the inception.
They specifically tailored their product to have it's barbs stick in deeper and be harder to step away from right from the frigging inception.
They would take and dip the cuttings into a solution that changes
how the plant grows and alters the ratios of what it would normally
produce, with the levels of thebaine I think it was skyrocketing .
They pay the people who grow the stuff for them based off how high
the production rate of that one compound in the plants are.
If that does not demonstrate that they knew and understood
quite well exactly what they were doing, I am not sure what could.

The sad truth is that we live in such a corrupt society, that
they have been able to pay their way out of this.
Big pharma runs things in DC and has since we were kids, but
it has gotten a lot worse in our lifetimes.
I will at this point suggest that is real fine illustration
of what happens when the corporate gets to buy off the politicians.
We the public gets screwed all to hell while our government.
shelters those who did it.

Fascism is not something one slips into by accident.
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What's more is the fact that they downplayed the addictive nature of oxy.
 
moose eater

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armedoldhippy said:
"you don't sell shit by focusing on what's wrong with it, ol' son! ya gotta tell the rubes what they wanna hear. you do that and you'll die rich..." :whistling:
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That path always felt a bit inherently shitty, though.

I'll try harder in the next life. See if I can fib better to my neighbors and family. Maybe get a few newer trinkets.

Lemme' think on it.
 
moose eater

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armedoldhippy said:
gonna sell vacuum cleaners door to door? i tried that (Kirby) for a while, and i've never felt so dirty in my life. i'd rather be able to look myself in the mirror & be able to sleep nights...:good:
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No, but when I was 19 I worked very briefly for a pest control outfit in Phoenix. We were given pages from the phone book and told to tell the unlucky bastards who answered our calls that we were from %^$# pest control and just HAPPENED to have trucks in their neighborhood, and we were running a special.

I didn't last long at that job, but I could sell good dope all day long.

A huge difference was one involved lying and pushing. The other involved offering a decent product that typically made people feel better.

I found selling plasma to be more honest. And did a fair bit of that over that ~1-month period. Plasma was an honest business to be in, though the folks who run that show buy blood cheap from the needy and sell it at premium prices. Saw homeless families in South Central Phoenix turned away, told to "go eat a sandwich" after their blood showed too low of a count in protein. (If they'd had money for sandwiches, they likely wouldn't have been selling their body fluids).

Worked VERY briefly at a car wash crew during that rather long and unfulfilling month, too. They did a contract for a car lot that had fancy cars (European imports), and the high point of the day for the youngsters there was to drive cars back to the lot that they'd never be able to afford in their lifetimes.

Ultimately got enough cash in my pocket (partially by winning a decent sum at Bingo with my mother; a somewhat torturous endeavor to sit with urban seniors in a large barren room, waiting for the correct sequence of letters and numbers) to get me the fuck out of Phoenix on a Greyhound... which I did. :)
 
Gry

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armedoldhippy said:
gonna sell vacuum cleaners door to door? i tried that (Kirby) for a while, and i've never felt so dirty in my life. i'd rather be able to look myself in the mirror & be able to sleep nights...:good:
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Am left with great respect and affection for the many who were left to such as that as a
result of our uber class who shipped off our middle class jobs to China. I recall
being told that we were all going to be retrained for high tech jobs. That never happened, and we the people were left to get by how ever we could, with our
media telling us that we had never had it so good.
Kirby put out a decent product, but it sure was over priced. Can only imagine
what it must of been like for the Kirby outfit when Dyson put out their new
gear. I worked for a lady who had each, and they were each real fine products.
 
buzzmobile

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Gry said:
Am left with great respect and affection for the many who were left to such as that as a
result of our uber class who shipped off our middle class jobs to China. I recall
being told that we were all going to be retrained for high tech jobs. That never happened, and we the people were left to get by how ever we could, with our
media telling us that we had never had it so good.
Kirby put out a decent product, but it sure was over priced. Can only imagine
what it must of been like for the Kirby outfit when Dyson put out their new
gear. I worked for a lady who had each, and they were each real fine products.
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I think selling Rainbow vacuum cleaners could be challenging these days. Like being a Bud Light distributor.
 
armedoldhippy

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Gry said:
i recall being told that we were all going to be retrained for high tech jobs.
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only a certain % are mentally capable of many jobs. you can't "train" intelligence for jobs anymore than a basketball coach can coach a 6 foot tall kid into being 7 feet tall. if you can't handle geometry or algebra, training for a job involving physics or calculus will be like trying to train a wild boar to yodel. all you are gonna do is piss off the hog...
 
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