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top of the heap to third world status in one generation

Gry

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We live in a country that was captured by a cabal prior to the second world war.
My pop war a lifer for Uncle Sam, he joined the army at the tale end of WWll, at the age of 16. He transferred to the army air corps, and went to air force went to Korea. He got into security, and was a signal intelligence officer for the air force. He went from that to working for the CIA. I grew up over in Hong Kong, Kowloon actually. He was tasked with monitoring a listening station on top of the tallest peak in Kowloon.
I don't know for sure, but I always figured
it had to do with monitoring the progress of China's nuclear program. My father loved me dearly, and it was from him that I did learn that his favorite American was Smedley Butler. He was a real senior guy with the agency. He used to tell me that he felt trapped, and that I should learn many different skill sets as possible, so that I would not ever feel as trapped as he did. He helped me learn how to be self employed.
 

armedoldhippy

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I worked for my pop for many years
i worked for about 6 weeks with (not for) my dad in my late twenties doing carpentry work. i was ready to smack him in the head with a claw hammer 3 weeks in. glad that job blew up, i got along great with him doing ANYTHING else...but not working. :dunno:
 
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GOT_BUD?

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There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own - nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory - and hire someone to protect against this - because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless - keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.
 

Gry

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I posting this off of a phone rather than a computer, and having difficulty.
There are 2 registers in DC, one social, and one political. One is green and the other blue. I had the ability to tell people that they could open either register to any page and I could pick a half a dozen names on any page to use as references. I have had impeccable references most of my life. I was and am proud of that. I was fucking provided with amazing opportunity, that I took and ran with.
I took joy in burning cannabis in every facility that I could, including many many different agency operated . Was blessed with an apple le ll by my pop, before there was an operating system available for it. I dearly loved it.
Little did I know that my life would be about computers.
In a previous generation the agency did things themselves, or had it done by the military.
In our generation it was frequently done by private contractors. I was one who did so.
I was tasked with many different things.
My contact was off a phone and fax machine. I was obligated to respond to taskings within 72 hours.
I had a large inventory of gear that I kept at home, and was supplied with gear from a Fed Ex account.
Funds were transferred to my bank account.
I was able to work with amazing individuals most of whom were engineers .
For the most part I installed surveillance gear that was used to keep an eye on the actions of
various individuals at work locations.
I installed lots out at Merit Island NASA locations, and at very remotely located places.
I installed at currency counting locations where I stood on stacks of cash that were in bundles on the floor 2 feet deep that would fill a room 20 by 40 feet . I had to walk on top of the stacks of cash.
My territory was Florida, and I would travel often 6 hours to go do 10 minutes of work .
I was paid for the time I left home until I did return home.
Worked for various defense firms, such as BAE systems inc.
I installed at the large amusement places where the tourist would go in the Orlando area.
Disney, universal etc. over and over again.
I installed at pharmaceutical compounding locations where they had kegs of opiates. that were
maybe 7 gallons worth.
When I got the cancer, the people I worked for would rent me a hotel room near the location,
so that I could stop and rest or take a hot bath when I went out to go do work.
They treated me well.
I thought of myself as a white box guy.
Was just able to get this computer to log on .
 
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h.h.

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I had a fax machine with the private numbers for Reagan, Thatcher, Frank Sinatra, the prime minister of Canada among others. It was given to me by an English Lord who forgot to wipe it.
 

moose eater

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I started picking green beans by the bushel basket for .05 cents/lb. (same rate they paid whether adult or minor) and weeding lettuce on a muck farm in Lower SW MIchigan at age 9. By not eating lunch at school, thus saving my lunch money, and laboring on the farm during some of the time away from school (bent over like a coat hangar at an early age), I could afford the things that my family couldn't afford on a regular basis; a sling-shot, BB-gun, candy, sodas, etc.

Later on, baling hay in NW Pennsylvania at age 12 and trapping muskrat or shooting racoons for their hydes, then at age 13, selling hash and pot, then selling acid.

Kitchen work, busboy jobs, prep cook, greenhouse labor for limited ganja production, limited carpentry help.

More farm labor including milling wood from the trees we felled and hauled, where my friend would trade hours in the woods to the fellow who owned the mill in exchange for the milling (about 1976).

A bit of smuggling, some more dealing.

Few to no mentors of a male variety in my home as a kid. Farms were a great resource. They always needed labor (however underpaid), often had no formal requirements re. age or social security numbers back then, and were tantamount to a stellar physical fitness program.

To this day, I fail to see the relevance of a gym membership. I look out at my property today, at the uncompleted chores and the snow falling AGAIN, and see nothing but a massive physical fitness program, along with overdue tasks that might lead to some sense of progress and success.
 
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Gry

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I had a fax machine with the private numbers for Reagan, Thatcher, Frank Sinatra, the prime minister of Canada among others. It was given to me by an English Lord who forgot to wipe it.
I find myself being reminded of those who's fondest desire is to surround themselves with powerful individuals.
Common term of usage being "star fucker "
 

Gry

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My taskings were through my pop, considerably further down the food chain than your rather august claims.
My dealings were with Senior members of the National Security Council from Carter's Administration to the second Bush administration.
 

h.h.

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I mean on my own. I picked tomatoes at 12, fueled planes at 14. I didn’t have a job given to me.
 

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US Government Has Killed More Than 20 Million People In 37 “Victim Nations” Since WW2
The “U.S. government” is comprised of a wide variety of different people, many of which are good and decent human beings. So this obviously does not represent everyone who works in the government. More importantly, this does not represent U.S. citizens either, so please do not fall into the trap of defending the crimes of your government, because you feel yourself personally under attack. Identify yourself with integrity, humanity and Truth, not a criminal government or group.

After the catastrophic attacks of September 11 2001 monumental sorrow and a feeling of desperate and understandable anger began to permeate the American psyche. A few people at that time attempted to promote a balanced perspective by pointing out that the United States had also been responsible for causing those same feelings in people in other nations, but they produced hardly a ripple. Although Americans understand in the abstract the wisdom of people around the world empathizing with the suffering of one another, such a reminder of wrongs committed by our nation got little hearing and was soon overshadowed by an accelerated “war on terrorism.”

But we must continue our efforts to develop understanding and compassion in the world. Hopefully, this article will assist in doing that by addressing the question “How many September 11ths has the United States caused in other nations since WWII?” This theme is developed in this report which contains an estimated numbers of such deaths in 37 nations as well as brief explanations of why the U.S. is considered culpable.

The causes of wars are complex. In some instances nations other than the U.S. may have been responsible for more deaths, but if the involvement of our nation appeared to have been a necessary cause of a war or conflict it was considered responsible for the deaths in it. In other words they probably would not have taken place if the U.S. had not used the heavy hand of its power. The military and economic power of the United States was crucial.

This study reveals that U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about 10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the two Iraq Wars. The Korean War also includes Chinese deaths while the Vietnam War also includes fatalities in Cambodia and Laos.

The American public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible. In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor, Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.

But the victims are not just from big nations or one part of the world. The remaining deaths were in smaller ones which constitute over half the total number of nations. Virtually all parts of the world have been the target of U.S. intervention.

The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.

To the families and friends of these victims it makes little difference whether the causes were U.S. military action, proxy military forces, the provision of U.S. military supplies or advisors, or other ways, such as economic pressures applied by our nation. They had to make decisions about other things such as finding lost loved ones, whether to become refugees, and how to survive.

And the pain and anger is spread even further. Some authorities estimate that there are as many as 10 wounded for each person who dies in wars. Their visible, continued suffering is a continuing reminder to their fellow countrymen.

It is essential that Americans learn more about this topic so that they can begin to understand the pain that others feel. Someone once observed that the Germans during WWII “chose not to know.” We cannot allow history to say this about our country. The question posed above was “How many September 11ths has the United States caused in other nations since WWII?” The answer is: possibly 10,000.

Comments on Gathering These Numbers

Generally speaking, the much smaller number of Americans who have died is not included in this study, not because they are not important, but because this report focuses on the impact of U.S. actions on its adversaries.

An accurate count of the number of deaths is not easy to achieve, and this collection of data was undertaken with full realization of this fact. These estimates will probably be revised later either upward or downward by the reader and the author. But undoubtedly the total will remain in the millions.

The difficulty of gathering reliable information is shown by two estimates in this context. For several years I heard statements on radio that three million Cambodians had been killed under the rule of the Khmer Rouge. However, in recent years the figure I heard was one million. Another example is that the number of persons estimated to have died in Iraq due to sanctions after the first U.S. Iraq War was over 1 million, but in more recent years, based on a more recent study, a lower estimate of around a half a million has emerged.

Often information about wars is revealed only much later when someone decides to speak out, when more secret information is revealed due to persistent efforts of a few, or after special congressional committees make reports

Both victorious and defeated nations may have their own reasons for underreporting the number of deaths. Further, in recent wars involving the United States it was not uncommon to hear statements like “we do not do body counts” and references to “collateral damage” as a euphemism for dead and wounded. Life is cheap for some, especially those who manipulate people on the battlefield as if it were a chessboard.

To say that it is difficult to get exact figures is not to say that we should not try. Effort was needed to arrive at the figures of 6six million Jews killed during WWI, but knowledge of that number now is widespread and it has fueled the determination to prevent future holocausts. That struggle continues.
 

armedoldhippy

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i skimmed this "report" (preppgroup.home), and found nothing but guesses. no signs of any research, no sources quoted, no actual research team names, not even a name of the person that guessed and typed it up. that's 10 wasted minutes of my life i won't get back. but, i won't be wasting any more of it reading such tripe...
 

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