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Department of the Interior Releases Investigative Report, Outlines Next Steps in Federal Indian Boarding School Initiative​



Thomas Jefferson once secretly wrote to Congress that the US would try to drive Native Americans into debt in order to take their land​

 

Gry

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there are tame cultivars available for sale these days. picking & eating the wild ones is a roll of the dice, as some trees have quite bitter fruit. George Washington and other notables made ice cream, custards etc from the sweeter ones available.

Read that he had problems with his teeth and that he suffered greatly as a result.
Had also read that he spent the equal to a year of working man's salary on ice cream.
Always wondered to what extent that was due to the relief something cold would have
given him.
Never had any of the cultivated varieties, but was lucky the first wild ones I had were
real nice and I sure did enjoy them, and it taught me to keep an eye out for them.
Was glad to hear that they had been cultivated, they are a neat part of our heritage.

Can recall learning of O'Shaughnessy and thinking that maybe Washington had
also used cannabis as a means of dealing with dental pain, but O'Shaughnessy
was born after Washington had already passed away.
 
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Gry

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hh, First Americans are treated more poorly than any group in this country that I am aware of.
They have the worst medical care in the country. A decent thread on the subject could be
a positive.

I find Max Bluenthal to be more than credible. He had what it takes to be willing to take on the
US relationship with Israel. You may not recall what was done to the Liberty, but I sure as hell do.
I am happy to see the relationship between the US and Israel questioned.

Your love of your country really showed well in your pathetic allegation that people in the
service are fuck offs. I feel more than blessed to have been able to spend my days
around very decent and even amazing people who cared a great deal for this country.
If you wish to make yourself blind to the things that I point out here on a regular basis,
that is fine by me. You could do a lot of good with a decent thread on First Americans.
Somehow I am not expecting that to be the case .
Cannovore nailed it when he tagged you with having a fascist Disneyland perspective.
 
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Gry

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Let's take a look at what hh would have us think is make believe.

Reuters, BBC, and Bellingcat participated in covert UK Foreign Office-funded programs to “weaken Russia,” leaked docs reveal.​


New leaked documents show Reuters’ and the BBC’s involvement in covert UK FCO programs to effect “attitudinal change” and “weaken the Russian state’s influence,” alongside intel contractors and Bellingcat.​




The UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) have sponsored Reuters and the BBC to conduct a series of covert programs aimed at promoting regime change inside Russia and undermining its government across Eastern Europe and Central Asia, according to a series of leaked documents.


The leaked materials show the Thomson Reuters Foundation and BBC Media Action participating in a covert information warfare campaign aimed at countering Russia. Working through a shadowy department within the UK FCO known as the Counter Disinformation & Media Development (CDMD), the media organizations operated alongside a collection of intelligence contractors in a secret entity known simply as “the Consortium.”


Through training programs of Russian journalists overseen by Reuters, the British Foreign Office sought to produce an “attitudinal change in the participants,” promoting a “positive impact” on their “perception of the UK.”


“These revelations show that when MPs were railing about Russia, British agents were using the BBC and Reuters to deploy precisely the same tactics that politicians and media commentators were accusing Russia of using,” Chris Williamson, a former UK Labour MP who attempted to apply public scrutiny to the CDMD’s covert activities and was stonewalled on national security grounds, told The Grayzone.


“The BBC and Reuters portray themselves as an unimpeachable, impartial, and authoritative source of world news,” Williamson continued, “but both are now hugely compromised by these disclosures. Double standards like this just bring establishment politicians and corporate media hacks into further disrepute.”


Thomson Reuters Foundation spokesperson Jenny Vereker implicitly confirmed the authenticity of the leaked documents in an emailed response to questions from The Grayzone. However, she contended, “The inference that the Thomson Reuters Foundation was engaged in ‘secret activities’ is inaccurate and misrepresents our work in the public interest. We have for decades openly supported a free press and have worked to help journalists globally to develop the skills needed to report with independence.”


The batch of leaked files closely resembles UK FCO-related documents released between 2018 and 2020 by a hacking collective calling itself Anonymous. The same source has claimed credit for obtaining the latest round of documents.


The Grayzone reported in October 2020 on leaked materials released by Anonymous which exposed a massive propaganda campaign funded by the UK FCO to cultivate support for regime change in Syria. Soon after, the Foreign Office claimed its computer systems had been penetrated by hackers, thus confirming their authenticity.


The new leaks illustrate in alarming detail how Reuters and the BBC – two of the largest and most distinguished news organizations in the world – attempted to answer the British foreign ministry’s call for help in improving its “ability to respond and to promote our message across Russia,” and to “counter the Russian government’s narrative.” Among the UK FCO’s stated goals, according to the director of the CDMD, was to “weaken the Russian State’s influence on its near neighbours.”


Reuters and the BBC solicited multimillion-dollar contracts to advance the British state’s interventionist aims, promising to cultivate Russian journalists through FCO-funded tours and training sessions, establish influence networks in and around Russia, and promote pro-NATO narratives in Russian-speaking regions.


In several proposals to the British Foreign Office, Reuters boasted of a global influence network of 15,000 journalists and staff, including 400 inside Russia.


The UK FCO projects were carried out covertly, and in partnership with purportedly independent, high-profile online media outfits including Bellingcat, Meduza, and the Pussy Riot-founded Mediazona. Bellingcat’s participation apparently included a UK FCO intervention in North Macedonia’s 2019 elections on behalf of the pro-NATO candidate.


The intelligence contractors that oversaw that operation, the Zinc Network, boasted of establishing “a network of YouTubers in Russia and Central Asia” while “supporting participants [to] make and receive international payments without being registered as external sources of funding.” The firm also touted its ability to “activate a range of content” to support anti-government protests inside Russia.


The new documents provide critical background on the role of NATO member states like the UK in influencing the color revolution-style protests waged in Belarus in 2020, and raise unsettling questions about the intrigue and unrest surrounding jailed Russian opposition figure Alexei Navalny.


Further, the materials cast serious doubt on the independence of two of the world’s largest and most prestigious media organizations, revealing Reuters and the BBC as apparent intelligence cut-outs feasting at the trough of a British national security state that their news operations are increasingly averse to scrutinizing.


Reuters solicits secret British Foreign Office contract to infiltrate Russian media​


A series of official documents declassified in January 2020 revealed that Reuters was secretly funded by the British government throughout the 1960s and 1970s to assist an anti-Soviet propaganda organization run by the MI6 intelligence agency. The UK government used the BBC as a pass-through to conceal payments to the news group.


The revelation prompted a Reuters spokesman to declare that “the arrangement in 1969 [with the MI6] was not in keeping with our Trust Principles and we would not do this today.”


The Trust Principles outline a mission of “preserving [Reuters’] independence, integrity, and freedom from bias in the gathering and dissemination of information and news.”


In its own statement of values, the BBC proclaims, “Trust is the foundation of the BBC. We’re independent, impartial and honest.”


However, the newly leaked documents analyzed by The Grayzone appear to reveal that both Reuters and the BBC are engaged yet again in a non-transparent relationship with the UK’s foreign ministry to counter and undermine Russia.


In 2017, the non-profit arm of the Reuters media empire, the Thomson Reuters Foundation (TRF), delivered a formal tender offering to “enter into a Contract with the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, as represented by the British Embassy Moscow, for the provision of a project ‘Capacity Building in Russian Media.'” The letter was signed by Reuters CEO Monique Ville on July 31, 2017.


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Reuters’ tender was a response to a call for bids by the FCO, which sought help in implementing “a programme of themed tours to the UK by Russian journalists and online influencers.”
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Working through the British Embassy in Moscow, the FCO sought to produce an “attitudinal change in the participants,” promoting a “positive impact” on their “perception of the UK.”


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In 2019, the FCO put forward a similar initiative, this time articulating a more aggressive plan to “counter the Russian government’s narrative and domination of the media and information space.” In effect, the British government was seeking to infiltrate Russian media and propagate its own narrative through an influence network of Russian journalists trained in the UK.


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Reuters responded to both calls by the FCO with detailed tenders. In its first bid, the media giant boasted of establishing a global network of 15,000 journalists and bloggers through “capacity building interventions.” In Russia, it claimed at least 400 journalists had been cultivated through its training programs.


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Reuters claimed to have performed 10 previous training tours for 80 Russian journalists on behalf of the British embassy in Moscow. It proposed eight more, promising to promote “UK cultural and political values” and “create a network of journalists across Russia” bonded together by a shared “interest in British affairs.”


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Reuters’ tender highlighted the institutional prejudices and interventionist agenda that underlined its training programs. Detailing a series of UK FCO-funded programs dedicated to “countering Russian state-funded propaganda,” Reuters conflated Russian government narratives with extremism. Ironically, it referred to its own efforts at weakening them as “unbiased journalism.”


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At the same time, Reuters appeared to recognize that its covert collaboration with the British Embassy in Moscow was highly provocative and potentially destructive to diplomatic relations. Recounting a UK FCO-funded tour it ran for Russian journalists in the midst of the Sergei Skripal affair, after the British government accused Moscow of poisoning a turncoat Russian intelligence officer who spied for Britain, the tender stated, “[Thomson Reuters Foundation] was in constant communication with the British Embassy in Moscow, to assess levels of risk, including reputational risk to the embassy.”


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The mention by Reuters of the Belarusian TV Station Belsat, and its particular relevance “to the UK Government Strategy’s capacity to detect and counter the spread of Russian information” was notable. While describing itself as “the first independent television channel in Belarus,” Belsat is, as the Reuters tender makes clear, a vehicle of NATO influence.


Based in Poland and funded by the Polish Foreign Ministry and other EU governments, Belsat played an influential role in promoting the color revolution-style protests that erupted in May 2020 to demand the ouster of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko.


Ultimately, Reuters’ bid appears to have been successful, as it received a July 2019 contract with the FCO’s Conflict, Stability & Security Fund (CSSF). But neither entity seemed to want the public to know about their collaboration on a project designed to counter Russia. The contract was marked “Strictly Confidential.”


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“Weaken the Russian state’s influence”​


The programs exposed through the latest leak of documents operate under the auspices of a shadowy division of the Foreign and Commonwealth Development Office called Counter Disinformation & Media Development (CDMD). Led by an intelligence operative named Andy Pryce, the program has shrouded in secrecy.


Indeed, the British government has denied freedom of information requests about the division’s budget and stonewalled members of parliament like Chris Williamson who sought data about its budget and agenda, citing national security to block their demands for information.
“When I tried to probe further,” former MP Williamson told The Grayzone, “ministers refused to let me have access to any documents or correspondence relating to this organization’s activities. I was told that releasing this information could ‘disrupt and undermine the program’s effectiveness.’”


During a meeting convened in London on June 26, 2018, Pryce outlined a new FCO program “to weaken the Russian State’s influence on its near neighbors.” He solicited a consortium of firms to assist the British state in establishing new and seemingly independent media outlets to counter Russian government-backed media in Moscow’s immediate sphere of influence, and to amplify the messaging of NATO-aligned governments.


Justified on the basis of Russia’s supposed intention to “sow disunity and course[sic] disruption to democratic processes,” the campaign Pryce laid out was more aggressive and far-reaching than anything Russia has been caught doing in the West.

This is just a part of it, it goes on in far more detail, this is about a third of the article - I simply wanted to show what hh would have you
believe is is fabricated. I do not believe that to be the case. The balance is available here:
 
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Gry

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Ongoing series about the changing nature of our society.

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie? Part 1
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1228.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie?, Part 2
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1229.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie? Part 3
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1230.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie?, Part 4
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1231.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie?, Part 5
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1232.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie?, Part 6
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1233.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie?, Part 7
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1234.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie?, Part 8
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1235.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie?, Part 9
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1236.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie?, Part 10
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1237.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie?, Part 11
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1238.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lies?, Part 12
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1239.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lies?, Part 13
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1240.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lies?, Part 14
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1241.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lies?, Part 15
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1242.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lies?, Part 16
https://emory.kfjc.org/archive/ftr/1200_1299/f-1243.mp3

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie?, Part 17

How Many Lies Before You Belong to The Lie?, Part 18

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h.h.

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You’d rather have a strong Russia attacking their neighbors? Your “service” excuses this how?
 

h.h.

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Or graystroked. I guess we’re just all to stupid to think for ourselves. Except for those who are smart enough to read crap written by a politicians kid . Sounds like Q to me. Only maybe you use another letter. Of course most of what I’ve read in this thread is just cut and paste from Google.
 

Gry

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Or graystroked. I guess we’re just all to stupid to think for ourselves. Except for those who are smart enough to read crap written by a politicians kid . Sounds like Q to me. Only maybe you use another letter. Of course most of what I’ve read in this thread is just cut and paste from Google.
Will keep this one for posterity.
 

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do you have access to any wild strawberries? they have much more flavor than the tame ones IMO. there WAS a huge field of them in state park nearby, but they plowed it up & planted grass for soccer fields...:puppydoge
@Gry. If either you or AOH are up in Canada sometime you can have all you like. I keep finding large patches at the edges of fields planting corn this spring. That's if the deer or beavers don't get them first lol. The patch below has a creek to the right with some resident arsehole beavers.

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