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[mean mr.mustard]

FDR was a joke too.

This is quite possibly one of the daftest statements I've ever read.

From getting into office during the Great Depression to winning a World War, I would say he was anything but a joke.

But that's just my take... I'm sure I sound stupid to you.



Here's to a New Deal!

:friends:

 

[Ben Tokin]

This is quite possibly one of the daftest statements I've ever read.

From getting into office during the Great Depression to winning a World War, I would say he was anything but a joke.

But that's just my take... I'm sure I sound stupid to you.



Here's to a New Deal!

:friends:

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

George Santayana, a Spanish-born American author of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

By all accounts, FDR was a horses ass.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Even the accounts where a considerable rise in industry and a significant drop in unemployment are good things?

 

[Confidential]

Even the accounts where a considerable rise in industry and a significant drop in unemployment are good things?

Well not ALL accounts. But, the ones that said otherwise were pesky socialist muslin accounts. I will provide no sources to back up my post, though. Good day sir.

 

[Baba Ku]

FDR was a racist bastard that prolonged the depression with his policies.
Unemployment averaged 17.2% throughout the New Deal and never went below 14 percent.

The list of shit goes on and on for FDR. Thing is, he has been championed by the left as some sort of messiah. Even though he was exactly of the same mentality we are seeing in today's administration.

If it weren't for FDR and his fascist control of the the US economy, we would have been out of the depression MUCH sooner. FDR did nothing but prolong the misery.
But I don't expect many to even have a clue about these things. Hell, the same thing is in front of them right now, and they refuse to see it.
People are stupid and love to follow stupid.

 

[Snowberry]

Looks to me the graphs on administration income and expense says it all. No wonder the bankers love national debt, they are paid handsomely for it. Servicing the interest on the public debt has effectively enslaved us to those holding the mortgage papers. Eventually America will have to bring all the troops home, simply because it can't afford guarding pipelines on foriegn soil any longer and keep the bankers paid off at the same time.

Wasn't "Income tax" just a temporary measure to pay off world war one costs?

I think it's fair comment to say the Whore of Babylon dances well with the Priesthood of Mammon, while convincing the rest of us to pay the piper.

My 0.02 Snowberry

 

[Confidential]

FDR was a racist bastard that prolonged the depression with his policies.
Unemployment averaged 17.2% throughout the New Deal and never went below 14 percent.

The list of shit goes on and on for FDR. Thing is, he has been championed by the left as some sort of messiah. Even though he was exactly of the same mentality we are seeing in today's administration.

If it weren't for FDR and his fascist control of the the US economy, we would have been out of the depression MUCH sooner. FDR did nothing but prolong the misery.
But I don't expect many to even have a clue about these things. Hell, the same thing is in front of them right now, and they refuse to see it.
People are stupid and love to follow stupid.

I think it's interesting how well this criticism echoes the hyper partisan criticism of the current CIC. Replace FDR with Obama, lower the unemployment rate, change fascism to socialism or communism, and you have the same tired template that has been used to whip the masses into a frenzy and discredit political opponents for decades.

Anyways, there's been a fair bit of talk about this FDR shit list, which has been backed with empty statements and not even so much as some anecdotal evidence. Can you set aside your condescension for a moment and provide some? Preferably without personal attacks if possible.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

In the years between 33 and 40 unemployment dropped from 25.2% to 14.6%.

I'm stupid enough to consider the Great Depression that he inherited.

I'm glad that I'm not expected to have a clue about these things.... I hate to disappoint people.

 

[Nor'Easter]

yeah rayhat, and these are the asshats that the stupid sheeple voted for in this last election, they don't know what they want, it makes you believe some are too stupid to have "freedom", or put another way, that mass stupidity of easily manipulated sheeple is dangerous to true freedom. Either way we are screwed because people did not think before they voted. Democrats are not perfect, but repubs are 3x worse and the dense bricks voted in a shitload of them!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

People are stupid and love to follow stupid.

Nah, some people are smart enough to know the difference between opinions and facts. Others think their opinions trump facts.

 

[Smoke Buddy]

The situation is dire. The president himself says his own policies are unsustainable. The truth is that this kind of spending was NOT needed to stimulate us out of recession. The congress has acted at the peak of irresponsibility at the worst possible time. That was reflected in the last vote. The way out now is repeal of healthcare and cancel future "stimulus" spending and return the money. Also they need to cancel the money printing they have planned over the next few months of 600 Billion. If we want stimulus all we need to do is cancel most of what the current congress has passed. If they gave business additional tax incentives at the same time we could have a boom before you know it. Business is holding trillions on the sidelines waiting for the current admin nightmare to go away. The president has said he wants to stop the boom-bust cycle. Well, he has, in the bust position.

peace

 

[SpasticGramps]

I find it interesting that nowadays people on the "left" are calling people on the "right" sheeple and people on the "right" are calling people the left "sheeple." We have certainly been divided and conquered.

Anyone consider that we are all just one big flock of sheep in this together? IMHO, politicians don't matter when they are owned by banks. They only do their bidding. Everything else is noise.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

If they gave business additional tax incentives at the same time we could have a boom before you know it. Business is holding trillions on the sidelines waiting for the current admin nightmare to go away.

They keep saying that if we give more incentives to companies and the uber-wealthy that somehow this will trickle down. Unfortunatly, this has never been true. Big business will always put profits over people and the rich only want to become richer. They aren't going to give more money away or put more money into the economy if they get bigger tax breaks, thats fucking ludacris. They will take those big tax breaks with a sinister smile, and send another 30,000+ jobs to india where some indian worker will do the work for 1/5 of the cost of an american worker.

If they really want to bring jobs back to america they need to impose devastating taxes, fees and tariffs on all the companies that have sent american jobs overseas.

American Companies That Have Sent Jobs Overseas:

3Com
3M

A
Accenture
Adaptec
Adobe Systems
Advanced Energy Industries
AMD
Aetna
A.G. Edwards
Agere Systems
Agilent Tech.
AIG
Alamo Rent A Car
Albertson's
Alliance Semiconductor
Allstate
Alpha Thought Global
Amazon.com
American Express
American Management Systems
American Standard
Amphenol Corp.
Analog Devices
Andrew Corp.
AOL
Applied Materials
A.T. Cross Company
AT&T
AT&T Wireless
A.T. Kearney
Avanade
Avery Dennison

B
Bank of America
Bank of New York
Bank One
BearingPoint
Bear Stearns
Bechtel
BellSouth
Best Buy
Black & Decker
BMC Software
Boeing
Brocade
Bumble Bee

C
Cadence Design Systems
Capital One
Carrier
Cendant
Cerner Corporation
Charles Schwab
ChevronTexaco
Ciena
Cigna
Circuit City, Inc.
Cisco Systems
Citigroup
Coca-Cola
Comcast Holdings
Computer Associates
Computer Sciences Corporation
Continental Airlines
Convergys
Cooper Tire & Rubber
Cooper Tools
COVAD Comm.
CSX
Cummins

D
Dell Computer
Delta Air Lines
Direct TV
Discover
Document Sciences Corp.
Dow Chemical
DuPont

E
Earthlink
Eastman Kodak
Eaton Corporation
EDS
Electroglas
Electronics for Imaging
Eli Lilly
EMC
Emerson Electric
En Pointe Technologies
Equifax
Ernst & Young
Evolving Systems
Expedia
ExxonMobil

F
Fair Isaac
Fedders Corporation
Fidelity Investments
First American Title Ins.
First Data
Fluor
Ford Motor
Franklin Mint

G
Gateway
GE Capital
General Electric
GlobespanVirata
Goldman Sachs
Goodrich
Google
Greenpoint Mortgage
Guardian Life Insurance

H
The Hartford Financial Services Group
HealthAxis
Hewitt Associates
Hewlett-Packard
The Holmes Group
HSN
Humana

I
IBM
IndyMac Bancorp
Infogain
Innodata Isogen
Intel
Intl. Paper
Intuit
ITT Educational Services

J
Jabil Circuit
Jacobs Engineering
Jacuzzi
JDS Uniphase
Johnson Controls
Johnson & Johnson
JPMorgan Chase
Juniper Networks

K
KANA Software
Kaiser Permanente
Keane
KeyCorp
KLA-Tencor
Kwikset

L
Lawson Software
Lehman Brothers
Levi Strauss
Lexmark International
Lifescan
Lillian Vernon
Linksys
Lionbridge Technologies
Lockheed Martin
Lowe's
Lucent

M
Maritz
Marshall Fields
Mattel
Maytag
McDATA Corporation
Medtronic
Mellon Bank
Merrill Corporation
Merrill Lynch
Metasolv
MetLife
Microsoft
Monsanto
Morgan Stanley
Motorola

N
Nabco
National City Corporation
National Life
National Semiconductor
NCR Corporation
NETGEAR
Network Associates
Newell Rubbermaid
New York Life Insurance Co.
Northwest Airlines

O
Office Depot
Ohio Art
ON Semiconductor
Oracle
OshKosh B'Gosh
Otis Elevator Co.
Owens Corning

P
palmOne
Parker-Hannifin
Parsons E&C
Pearson Digital Learning
Pericom Semiconductor
Perot Systems
Pfizer
Pitney Bowes
Planar Systems
Portal Software
Pratt & Whitney
Primus Telecom
Procter & Gamble
Providian Financial
Prudential Insurance

Q
Qwest Comm.

R
Rainbow Technologies
Radio Shack
Raytheon Aircraft
Regence Group
Rogers
Rohm & Haas
RR Donnelley & Sons
Russell Corporation

S
SAIC
Sanmina-SCI
SBC Comm.
SEI Investments
Siebel Systems
Sikorsky
SMC Networks
Solectron
Sovereign Bancorp
Sprint
Sprint PCS
Starkist Seafood
State Farm Insurance
State Street
StorageTek
SunTrust Banks
Supra Telecom
SurePrep
The Sutherland Group
Sykes Enterprises
Synygy

T
Target
Tecumseh
Telcordia
TeleTech
Tellabs
Texas Inst.
Thrivent Financial for Lutherans
Time Warner
Toys "R" Us
Triquint Semiconductor
TRW Automotive
Tyco Electronics
Tyco Intl.

U
Union Pacific Railroad
Unisys
United Online
United Tech.

V
VA Software
Veritas
Verizon
VF Corporation

W
Wachovia Bank
Washington Group Intl.
Washington Mutual
WellChoice
Werner Co.
West Corporation
Weyerhaeuser
Whirlpool
Wolverine World Wide
Wyeth

Y
Yahoo!

 

[SpasticGramps]

"Trickle down economics" is a great description. I wonder what elitist fuck came up with that name. He's no doubt laughing it up. It is trickle down. The crumbs off of the elite's plates trickle down to the masses.

 

[Baba Ku]

Art Laffler, and he is alive and well. He is one of the few so called "economists" that actually gets it.

It is always the argument of some that the rich will just hoard any tax breaks they are given, and that the real answer is to tax and punish these people. It is simply futile to argue with these people because they have no clue what they are arguing about. They are only going on simpleton rhetoric.

People that look at history, which BTW is an exact blueprint of how things really were...no specualtions..just historical facts, they will see that each and every time the the tax rate was lowered for the upper income levels, the revenues that came in after each and every one of these periods increased. Not a little bit, but dramatically. Each and every time. Including when JFK did it.

Study up and get back to us....

 

[Bacchus]

Art Laffler, and he is alive and well. He is one of the few so called "economists" that actually gets it.

It is always the argument of some that the rich will just hoard any tax breaks they are given, and that the real answer is to tax and punish these people. It is simply futile to argue with these people because they have no clue what they are arguing about. They are only going on simpleton rhetoric.

People that look at history, which BTW is an exact blueprint of how things really were...no specualtions..just historical facts, they will see that each and every time the the tax rate was lowered for the upper income levels, the revenues that came in after each and every one of these periods increased. Not a little bit, but dramatically. Each and every time. Including when JFK did it.

Study up and get back to us....

Can you show me a link where the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy increased revenues for the country?

 

[SpasticGramps]

I don't necessarily disagree with your statement. Increasing the tax on the super wealthy just causes them to move their money around anyway. The corporate monarchs of this country have the ability to hide their money such that taxes don't really mean anything to them (foundations, offshore banks, outright corruption). It's the upper-middles class and middle class that always gets squeezed. Thus, the disparity of wealth in this country. For decades the middle class (merchant class) has slowly been destroyed, but yet we continue to pursue the same policies ad nausem. Disturbing wealth from the workers and producers to the plutocratic elite who stay in power by creating a class dependent on the welfare state. The feudalistic state has come to fruition. So goes democracy. The worst form of governance IMO. Two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for dinner.

I don't believe in income tax anyway. I think it's a form of slavery imposed by the FED. I'm what many would probably call a crazy domestic extremist though.

 

[Baba Ku]

The nation was doing pretty good until Bush decided to join the entitlement game. Then things started down hill. And he also "inherited" (I love when they parrot that one) a recession from Clinton.
The country and it's finances stood strong amidst attacks that sent the whole world in a tizzy. Our markets rebounded due to firm footing. Wars and an increasing debt with spending that was approaching 1.8 trillon dollars. Unfounded spending by both Republicans and Democrats.

Hmmm...say, Bacchas...do you happen to know what the current administrations spending numbers are? Similar to when Bush was in...half again...double?
I hate to think of similar circumstances happening today.

 

[HUGE]

I thought regan was the inventor of trickle down economics. Or bush 1. Can't remember

 

[Baba Ku]

Art Laffler was Reagan's economic adviser. He was the man who developed the "laffler curve" concerning taxation and revenues.
Presidents themselves have seldom been economic wizards of finances. They have people for that. Some admins have economists and folks who have studied these things to a doctoral level, others use clowns and showmen that know exactly how to feed rhetoric and emotional slop to the less than learned masses.
lol...hell, this latest group of buffoons had to have the tax cheats culled out before they could give out the team uniforms. what an ironic joke they are...lol...amazing really...



wait...are there some here that thinks the current US President has any fucking clue about finances and economics? Surely folks aren't that naive.....are they?