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I started 99 of all types in May but only 15 THH. I am really pulling for both. What might have been……
Next year…..
Look up and smile ha ha
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Tom Hill Haze
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I started 99 of all types in May but only 15 THH. I am really pulling for both. What might have been……
Next year…..
Look up and smile ha ha
Knop
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I think I'm really crazy, I don't know where to put it yet, I don't have LEDs for it, and here in Brazil it's forbiddenYou be crazy
I started 99 of all types in May but only 15 THH. I am really pulling for both. What might have been……
Next year…..
Look up and smile ha ha
Stoneguru
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The A5 crosses I have run generally seem NL5 effect with haze potency. Or variations in there.
Morphology as well. Pistils may look Thai sometimes or SE Asian profiles, but also muted at times. Morphology is difficult with a equatorial polyhybrid Fgen unknown to NL5. I am practiced at it, but the amount of recombinant markers is so extensive and then refixed with each make...
Thai and Colombian can foxtail, but so can NL5. It's got that flat top trident which can be accentuated through long flower. NL5 itself was always believed to have SE Asian in it. It's rare, but I have found foxtail type in NL.. interestingly it even smoked with the back of pallet metal exhale that is reminiscent of some haze.
I think @HEMPY is referring to his experience with classic Colombian vs Thai effect. An up front freight train vs, creeper wave after wave.
In that context A5 effect does seem to lean toward what some would consider NL/Colombian effect most of the time. Dreamy, potent and pleasant and also lead boots heavy and confusing at times. Not surging waves of energy psychedelic. Either way. It was the influential haze key released and through selection it's already been improved by many.
I think it would be easier to find a clean Thai effect in THH at 5% that in A5. (If that is the efd ft associated with Thai effect)
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StickyBandit
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8 weeks in
Have completed 2x pollinations so far and will do at least one more to offset the pollen that that got into the tent during early watering when I was removing each plant and watering on the scales to aid root development. The scales are dead now, drowned
The two main phenos are easily identified but there's a few in between
Seeds with a little frost
More seeds and more frost
Lumbo type male. Some have a little red streak above the little branches...
My best girl
Basic set-up with the center HPS turned off for the shoot
More seeds
Under the forest
Watering method, 1/2 Liter each every 3 days still
Have completed 2x pollinations so far and will do at least one more to offset the pollen that that got into the tent during early watering when I was removing each plant and watering on the scales to aid root development. The scales are dead now, drowned
The two main phenos are easily identified but there's a few in between
Seeds with a little frost
More seeds and more frost
Lumbo type male. Some have a little red streak above the little branches...
My best girl
Basic set-up with the center HPS turned off for the shoot
More seeds
Under the forest
Watering method, 1/2 Liter each every 3 days still
I'm talking about crosses made using the A5 x Mirakel Thai male, not the straight A5hz. That one has been circulating recently. I have no experience with straight A5 alone.
Stoneguru
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A5t was what I was referring to above effect. There are some morphological Thai. I suppose it depends on the context and everyone has different experiences. I butt heads with @HEMPY, but can also appreciate the practicality of how he groups selections.
Hempy's hierarchy seems to prioritize effect and potency. I am fairly confident that if he smoked A5t's like Bandaid's or Mango A5's he would give it a sliding scale somewhere between NL and Colombian effect on most plants. There will always be some outliers or ghost genes that favor parents deeper in the line to so any absolute assertion on haze will always be wrong.
I don't have any experience with A5 or C5 yet either. A friend who ran them recently said he could see why they were kept around though They have a beautiful NLD look to them.
@TomHill recounts Thai preferences so even in OP I think there is going to be a higher % of Thai in the winter 2024 increase. He said as much and really loving several he found in this years hunt already. from the same lot as @StickyBandit and @Knop I think
Merry Christmas everyone!
Knop
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I'm going to cut all the Colombians, keep only the Thai ones in pollinationrecounts Thai preferences so even in OP I think there is going to be a higher % of Thai in the winter 2024 increase. He said as much and really loving several he found in this years hunt already. from the same lot as @StickyBandit and @Knop I think
Merry Christmas everyone!
good learning point for us outsiders;
would you be able to take a photo of what you consider Colombia within your selection; and what is that you favor as Thai selection?
Stoneguru
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It sounds like the way to resurrect the old ones..I do believe everything that has been selectively bred into obscurity can be restored. Even though Nevil's finds were exceptional beyond any publicly available parent.. It is very difficult to really clean out the NL.
Consider that he had the reference of the castle. Through multiple generations he then helped build Nevil's haze through his own parental lines. He selected from large pools with parents that he was already more familiar with than anyone. Of those 90 seed only 3-4 were used and of those only 2 made the cut.
Of those 2 he attempted numerous combinations over years and that still didn't meet his personal standards until finally going back to old Thai and to NH21. The crown jewel of the project.
The point is he committed to doing the work in mass over a ~30 year period with the point of reference in building and selecting every parent for 4-6 generations to arrive with an old Thai being the key to unlock and preserve his haze. Fundamental the goal was to neutralize the NL5 and Clean it out.
Myself or others might pop a couple packs of one make or the offspring of one cut and think we found 'the Haze'. Everything is within the context of our own experiences. Different truths can be correct, but your plan is probably saving a lot of struggle to get there. Listen to the elders and all that.
One take away. It sounds intimidating. The amount of work and selection some are jumping into by hunting O-haze. It sure is. However, is it really more work that breeding backwards and ghost hunting Nevil's?
We are right in the middle of the story so who knows? Hopefully us in another couple years when the best of both paths begin reuniting.
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StickyBandit
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The line seems to be doing that naturally due to the Thai line being more prolific and early on pollen production. The difficulty in my opinion will be to stop the Colombian side from fading into obscurity and being lost to time altogether. Maybe it's not the best component of Positronics but it may be a line that has mostly all but disappeared from the world in it's pure form
Does this look familiar?
Stoneguru
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It does have that Jurassic long uniformity that reminds me of Caps and Diotte's Colombian selections. Is that a male or female?
StickyBandit
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That's the female. I only have one like that with the pronounced saw tooth from the whole pack, others are similar in length but not quite as striking
Stoneguru
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I know you know my theories on outlier and ghosts. That they are generally some of the strongest breeders for passing their traits along. I have a really good feeling about that one for you.
The friend who was growing out the A5 and C5 cuts sent pictures and one or the other was very Similar to this one as well.
StickyBandit
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Here's the males. The main Colombian leaner in the center, the tall one
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Stoneguru
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Are you going to do an isolation of the Colombians for seed?
StickyBandit
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This one literally glows! it's not the light. Maybe she is an outlier? She's also Colombian leaning
Stoneguru
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Save a virgin branch to bang with the glowing lumbo!
StickyBandit
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I'm very limited on space but I would like to. The wife is not keen on me doing seed runs! She's an enthusiast smoker, not grower
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StickyBandit
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Maybe I should. There's only one male I would select for Glowgirl, Prettygirl and about 2 others with nice traits. The Thais can fend for themselves...
