Tom Hill Haze

[Stoneguru]

This is my favorite girl, I just like the look of her
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This is nearly all the girls I ended up with, the one right of center seems to glow, might just be malnutrition
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Some of the taller girls in the back row
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Most of the males are getting ready to burst out some pollen
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There's still about 10 I couldn't fit in, didn't expect such a high ratio!
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These all look amazing! I noticed the same female. Any males with particular lateral n
branching? I don't have experience outside of Nevil's, but they are are often special in that lot. The pictures hempy posts of male C exhibit this as well.

 

[Mtn. Nectar]

“good seeds where you find them”…..
truth…. same idea have had with working dogs for past 45yrs….

ganj on…

 

[hector_100]

All Pine, Lemon, Lime and all combinations

Is your email still [email protected]
I've emailed a couple of times, but no reply

 

[ojd]

Is your email still [email protected]
I've emailed a couple of times, but no reply

Yes bro, apologies behind on emails, be caught up in next hour

 

[led05]

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found another @Stoneguru , as I said it's actually more common than you may think

 

[harvestreaper]

so that it ,,, had it a few times myself over the years ,,had a mns doors like it i recall

 

[Sub24ox7]

found another @Stoneguru , as I said it's actually more common than you may think

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I’ve seen it in lots of different weed. Seems pretty common.

 

[Hammerhead]

Same I've had that show up in a variety of strains.

 

[Chi13]

You keep saying I haven't grown a pure a Haze and yet my NH take 19 weeks or over to flower I have documented all my grows and I have grown pure sativas since 1979.

You and others act like Haze is something pure, it's not I never grew the Flying Dutchman's Haze or SSSC or other people's Haze as Nevils Haze was far superior.

Sorry, but how can you know that Nevils is far superior if you haven't tried the other?

I love Nevils type hazes but so many growers I respect seem to prefer the posi/toms (whatever it's called). Enough to get me very curious.

 

[Chi13]

I have a few mindblower and grandfunk awaiting to see what sex. It's about the closest I'll get to Toms. Many thanks MAHA KALA.

They look remarkably similar to sticky's (THH) pics at the moment. I will put up some pics when they flower.

 

[Raco]

Clarke 1981

 

[Raco]

PCK x Uzbeki F1

 

[Dentex]

Sensi star

 

[led05]

Sensi star

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Overachiever

 

[@hempy]

Sorry, but how can you know that Nevils is far superior if you haven't tried the other?

I love Nevils type hazes but so many growers I respect seem to prefer the posi/toms (whatever it's called). Enough to get me very curious.

If you had read my post then you would know the answer to your own question, Chi13, and why is it that you only seem to post with a hostile intention towards me ?

I didn't come back here to be trolled or baited, Chi13.

One more time I went with Nevils Haze because of other growers grows and smoke reports I researched both O Haze and Nevils Haze and made my selection again very grateful I did.

 

[@hempy]

The only Floral clusters I have ever seen grew on the leaf steam where it met the leaf fingers, I have never seen it on a Haze line or a pure sativa line.

I can't remember what line I saw it on now, but it was an old dutch line, I thought it looked prity cool to be honest.

 

[Stoneguru]

found another @Stoneguru , as I said it's actually more common than you may think

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I agree. A couple of these examples you gave did have 5haze

so that it ,,, had it a few times myself over the years ,,had a mns doors like it i recall

found another @Stoneguru , as I said it's actually more common than you may think

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I think it's about as common as I think or that anyone else has experienced. I took one season off in the last 30 years of growing and can't remember the first time I saw it.

@sticky Bandit doesn't have it in 1:100 so is it less than 1%? In some lines I saw it ~1:20. Another set of genetics never.

Over time I started to notice a higher rate of frequency in progeny with 5haze in its genetics. A point that has been confirmed or reiterated in what others just shared above including yourself. So I developed lines that have and pass these anomalies in 80-95% of progeny. Some of the other posts above are examples of what happens if you further select or stack the trait.

So. I have never said that these traits don't exist or that they can't be found. I have said that they can be developed to go from uncommon to common. I have said that developing and building in these novels markers to become as common as leaf serrations is a potentially useful breeding tool for tracking and gaining understanding of the interrelationships of traits and further.

I have also said that there is no one that I have come across that has developed and experimented with these traits in an ongoing capacity. Multi-generational line work, outcrossing etc. I would enjoy learning more about what they did, how the tested it and what they found.

@led05 . You seem to be trying to make a point about how common the trait is. If you popped a mixed origin bag of 500 seed how many would you estimate have these mutations?

I'll use the word mutation since Clark did, but generally if I say mutation it turns into a 5 page 'gotcha' moment from someone who isn't really interested in developing or gaining any knowledge through experience. A huge waste of time really.

I answer my own questions with actions out of curiosity and my own interests. I haven't made extravagant claims, but I have asked questions and then followed through with testing results over years and I'm not selling this. I am not the stoner who sits on a couch speculating and never doing. I don't pollen chuck 1 for 3, 2 for 5. I am passionate about the process of doing.

Again. 500 random seeds. How many would you estimate would both clearly exhibit this anomaly and then pass in on to the majority of progeny?

Make the answer believable since everyone is reading and has their own experiences to rely upon as well

 

[Stoneguru]

I agree. A couple of these examples you gave did have 5haze



I think it's about as common as I think or that anyone else has experienced. I took one season off in the last 30 years of growing and can't remember the first time I saw it.

@sticky Bandit doesn't have it in 1:100 so is it less than 1%? In some lines I saw it ~1:20. Another set of genetics never.

Over time I started to notice a higher rate of frequency in progeny with 5haze in its genetics. A point that has been confirmed or reiterated in what others just shared above including yourself. So I developed lines that have and pass these anomalies in 80-95% of progeny. Some of the other posts above are examples of what happens if you further select or stack the trait.

So. I have never said that these traits don't exist or that they can't be found. I have said that they can be developed to go from uncommon to common. I have said that developing and building in these novels markers to become as common as leaf serrations is a potentially useful breeding tool for tracking and gaining understanding of the interrelationships of traits and further.

I have also said that there is no one that I have come across that has developed and experimented with these traits in an ongoing capacity. Multi-generational line work, outcrossing etc. I would enjoy learning more about what they did, how the tested it and what they found.

@led05 . You seem to be trying to make a point about how common the trait is. If you popped a mixed origin bag of 500 seed how many would you estimate have these mutations?

I'll use the word mutation since Clark did, but generally if I say mutation it turns into a 5 page 'gotcha' moment from someone who isn't really interested in developing or gaining any knowledge through experience. A huge waste of time really.

I answer my own questions with actions out of curiosity and my own interests. I haven't made extravagant claims, but I have asked questions and then followed through with testing results over years and I'm not selling this. I am not the stoner who sits on a couch speculating and never doing. I don't pollen chuck 1 for 3, 2 for 5. I am passionate about the process of doing.

Again. 500 random seeds. How many would you estimate would both clearly exhibit this anomaly and then pass in on to the majority of progeny?

Make the answer believable since everyone is reading and has their own experiences to rely upon as well

My experienced based estimate is that the trait is somewhere around 0.25% of cannabis plants or less. 1:400

I would estimate that it is somewhere around 5% of genetics with 5haze in them. ~1:20 maybe less because that is something like one in every pack. That is what I define as uncommon maybe it's 1:50 2% of 5haze. Further. It is random as a whole because it wasn't isolated or developed.

So beeding might be defined as taking an uncommon trait and exploiting, employing and or otherwise fixing it into the majority of the population.

So. This trait and more are now currently fixed into 80-95% of my projects. That is what breeding is. So in a way you are correct. Among my haze genetics it is very common. Nearly as common as any other trait of the plant.

 

[Stoneguru]

Now I am going to have to send Tom a special gift for fucking up his thread. It wasn't my intention. Looping back around. The trait the @StickyBandit found in Tom's interacts with the meristem mutation in my experiments doing exactly that.

I would not have spent the time with this particular plant on mutations alone. The only way is to rebuild landrace from scratch, Select from haze Fgen unknown or select dominant breeders from down the line with clean profiles and effects for recommendations...breeding backwards.

In this example the ocimene is record level with most other terpenes very low. Ocimene is a mild herbaceous with a touch of sweetness in fresh flower. It lets everything else through in a cross. On the burn it is a salivating level of frankincense.

The equivalent of having an isolated essential in perfume or ingredients in cooking. Most breeding is just pouring one soup into another. Not selecting the 'clean' isolations for recombination.

That is why 5haze has been a pickle and why haze was requested to only be distributed and available in hybrids. To corner the market on what it is in its highest form...or was. 5% is 95% work, but it all is so just chose the path

So. It takes having the high top notes like camphene, Camphor eucalyptus pine needle etc as on isolation and all the base and depth of frankincense as an isolation. The recombinations make for a complete refined and clean franknfuel piney haze.

Anyway. Anything is possible with this plant. Never listen to the naysayers just go for it on anything that feels right.

Imagine some of these mixed up with a FreKshow have fun yolo

 

[Raco]

I got one female from an Old Mendo mix.. old seeds gifted to me by Tom a long time ago

I have seen that ^^ from time to time ,not often.
What do your think about this branching ?

DC X Uzbeki F1