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Tom Hill Haze

StickyBandit

Well-known member
The 66 best. There's a few sad ones in the other tents but I think they'll all live
Watered the 2L pots to 800gm 2 days ago and they'll probably go another 2 or so. Seems like about the right dosage for full wetting
Some showing their pistil and balls so might have to do some sorting soon :)

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exoticrobotic

Well-known member
The 66 best. There's a few sad ones in the other tents but I think they'll all live
Watered the 2L pots to 800gm 2 days ago and they'll probably go another 2 or so. Seems like about the right dosage for full wetting
Some showing their pistil and balls so might have to do some sorting soon :)

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Looking very healthy and homogenous

I love how they look at this stage before the unruly stretch begins :biggrin:

I have two thh i put to flower a coupla weeks or so ago. one p1 and one f2

Stem smells are minty lemon on the lime coloured f2, the other p1 one has that cola smell to it and darker leaves.

Amazing work @StickyBandit
 

FTL

Active member
The 66 best. There's a few sad ones in the other tents but I think they'll all live
Watered the 2L pots to 800gm 2 days ago and they'll probably go another 2 or so. Seems like about the right dosage for full wetting
Some showing their pistil and balls so might have to do some sorting soon :)

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Are you think of making any crosses?

Golf ball haze ?
Old girl that one, I remember her floating about in 07!
 

StickyBandit

Well-known member
Are you think of making any crosses?

Golf ball haze ?
Old girl that one, I remember her floating about in 07!
Not particularly looking to make crosses, many of the strains are excellent already and I'm not sure I could improve on them. My family like the Golfball any time especially in the evening and they also love the Holy Grail Kush for evening so I have to keep a steady supply going so it doesn't leave a lot of real estate for crosses. I have so many pure strains to test I don't know when I'd find the time :)
Maybe the Suomi Haze with it's "tonic high" would go well with THH ??
Do you know Golfball? I've been looking for info on it, we got her in the 90's
 

FTL

Active member
90s rightI didn’t realize it went that far back, very cool.

I started seeing it in the mid 00s. It was more of a west Aucks cut at the time.

My suspicion was always that it was a skunk1xaffy but it was only ever referred to as golf ball. Cruisy evening buzz as I remembered not the best for at work lol
 

led05

Chasing The Present
Looking beautiful Sticky! Lol, you are definitely going to be a haze master card holder after this😅

That split leaf variegation seems to have an interrelationship with the other meristem petiole mutations in line breeding. It's a trait that was passed in the majority of everything that came out Nevil's original TSB 5haze release and not as much after.

Of the 5 JJ's Nigerian (Nigerian Silk x C5 (from the original pack). All of them have it. 1/3 of the Nigerian haze had it, 91' chem seed (mystery male) , CBH, tropicals 5haze f6 etc .

It was a dominant trait passed on from that original cross and that batch, but vary's in frequency depending on selections after. CBH to Bandaid passed it. Etc

@led05 is correct that it is not a tell more than any other trait of a plant. Narrow leaf, flowering time, stature, profile, field density, mutations etc. They all are generalizations in the shotgun approach that is cannabis breeding. However, even a shotgun can have a tighter pattern the closer we get and more practiced and familiar we are in the effort to narrow the range of possibilities.

What is one persons tell in an ongoing project will have relevance and in another ones none at all. I think that is where all of the disagreement comes from. Everyone is both right and wrong. They are correct looking out their own window of experience and incorrect peering through another's through theirs.

One the other hand. If traits aren't identified and recorded what is the point of discussing them at all?

One thing your find may indicate is that Nevil'C , or the one he used at that time did have this as a dominant or displayed trait rather than the NL side of the cross. I beat the NL to death and never found it.

It's also just one leaf. I would still mark or tag it along with any other traits you notice. Nevil had his red dot petiole. Totally irrelevant in cannabis as a whole, but it had some relevance to him within the context of his projects.

Similarly. If you tag or organize this project to some degree it may be helpful in Identifying traits you associate favorably in the future. Breeding isn't a perfectly disorganized mess. Where one trait is present another may tag along in greater frequency as well.

Sometimes traits do accompany other traits from their plant of origin. One of the traits I associate with my favorite haze profile has been the 'floating node' where the branching node comes out anywhere along the stem with no correlation to fan leaf.

Each time across several different lines (of the same 5haze origin) this trait and the profile where together to some degree. An outlier/ancestor somewhere in the haze pool holding on to the same floaty.

There are no absolutes and never will be, but selective breeding based on traits will get tighter patterns within your own projects.

I have had a lot of success in identifying and recording along the way and it makes the process more interesting.

Tom's practice opened up the pool for anyone to choose what they like and informed on how he selects which passes the baton. That saves a major step.

The original reason that I bred in the mutations was not superiority alone although it fid invite the other traits I associate favorably.

It was done to clearly identify the migration of traits, interrelationships and how ancestors and parents move through the various selections and how other traits tag along or don't. This Multiplies traits and data points to add to the complexity, confusion and clarity of equatorial breeding which can be vary difficult to differentiate because Equatorials have so many traits in common.

Thanks for sharing. For me it indicates one tic on the chart of likelihood that the trait comes from haze rather than NL. There is no way to know if it has other male C traits, but we can wonder 🤔 😉 😅
^^ I agree mostly, not sure any of it rises to the classification of a mutation however

Variegation - I’ve found it in many plants completely unrelated to Haze or NL and for that matter the species of cannabis altogether
 
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