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Tom Hill Haze

Old Uncle Ben

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I was thinking more about places like Thailand and India where you'd be looking at summer temps of over 35-40C. But thanks for that. The other building blocks of haze are supposedly Mexico and Colombia.

I actually live in the sub tropics and get frequent temps above 35. Always used to mystify me when I read grow books that say that this is too hot for cannabis.

Point is well taken. After "issues" with pests(pythium rot and whiteflies) I have 2 tropical seedlings left that are stunted. I blame part of that on high heat in my greenhouse which can and does get up to 112F/44C until I blast it down with rain water couple times a day.

It's all about photosynthesis, carbon flags, respiration rates etc. I've grown a lot of pot and plants grown indoors under a temp day/night swing of 85/60F grow best. Too high night temps results in the plant using up food reserves to respiration as opposed to tissue production.

I'm moving my tropical seedlings under the lights, 14/10 photoperiod.
 

Raco

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Monkey Haze F2

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By the same size, it looks even more NLD than the THH P1 stock.... :)
 

Donald Mallard

el duck
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Interesting discussion @Chi13, @Donald Mallard.
From my personal experience I’ve never found limits in temp or water. Many days of +40 C has never worried my plants and inundation by over a metre of water was fine. I felt they can handle as much water as possible, it’s just needs a good soil structure to aid drainage and oxygen penetration. I had a few plants in a creek bed that went 3-4 foot under for 2-3 days in peak summer. Growth was off the charts, way more than Wally’s example. Friable alluvial soil and not a longer period of inundation, the plants were fine.
Not sure who wrote it (Clarke maybe) but I agree there’s a relationship between volume of water transpired and volume of plant material produced.
Once I achieved 10 feet in 10 weeks, in a patch of 10 plants. Just sweet timing in good volcanic soil, no watering required as rainfall was relentless and being the 90s, the genetics (from Coffs) were perfect. Hard to find those strains now.
Re Kanga’s location, totally unique, subtropical, overlap of two large climatic biomes, wet autumn’s, high heat Nov-March with ok but depleted soils. Pics look like Goonengary, Huonbrook way 🤐.
I’m pretty on par for lat., but long. puts me in better soils, higher temps and less but still high rainfall. I shake my head at people’s focus on Indica in the region. It’s good to have in your garden but sativas are meant to be here.
i feel the genetics back then were more vigorous ,
they dont seem as vigorous these days ..
would love to have some of that stuff from the 90s back again for sure man ...

kanga was in casino previously, he did a lot of work on his soil from memory ...
Forget Haze what I wanna know….

Are Hempy & Wally gonna hug it out over their mutual distaste of Canna T; common ground can do miraculous things; as they say :p!!
Unlikely ,
anyhow canna t is on holidays for a week from this thread ,
he was warned more than once ,
not a great idea telling old folks their favorite cannabis is shit continually ,
and not having any first hand experience of what they talk about ,
we know what we like ... lol ...
 

Chi13

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Interesting discussion @Chi13, @Donald Mallard.
From my personal experience I’ve never found limits in temp or water. Many days of +40 C has never worried my plants and inundation by over a metre of water was fine. I felt they can handle as much water as possible, it’s just needs a good soil structure to aid drainage and oxygen penetration. I had a few plants in a creek bed that went 3-4 foot under for 2-3 days in peak summer. Growth was off the charts, way more than Wally’s example. Friable alluvial soil and not a longer period of inundation, the plants were fine.
Not sure who wrote it (Clarke maybe) but I agree there’s a relationship between volume of water transpired and volume of plant material produced.
Once I achieved 10 feet in 10 weeks, in a patch of 10 plants. Just sweet timing in good volcanic soil, no watering required as rainfall was relentless and being the 90s, the genetics (from Coffs) were perfect. Hard to find those strains now.
Re Kanga’s location, totally unique, subtropical, overlap of two large climatic biomes, wet autumn’s, high heat Nov-March with ok but depleted soils. Pics look like Goonengary, Huonbrook way 🤐.
I’m pretty on par for lat., but long. puts me in better soils, higher temps and less but still high rainfall. I shake my head at people’s focus on Indica in the region. It’s good to have in your garden but sativas are meant to be here.
I used to live in the great dividing range behind Coffs and we would often drive down to pick mushrooms in Bellingen, and score weed. Some of the genetics from around Coffs in the 80s were incredible! We picked up a hippy hitch hiker once who paid us in buds to drive him home. Gave us half a bag of the most incredible stuff. Happy days.

It almost can't get too hot for sativa cannabis provided you do right by the plant.

And as bananas were brought up earlier, some very tasty bananas from Coffs and Tully, both hot areas.
 
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Donald Mallard

el duck
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I used to live in the great dividing range behind Coffs and we would often drive down to pick mushrooms in Bellingen, and score weed. Some of the genetics from around Coffs in the 80s were incredible! We picked up a hippy hitch hiker once who paid us in buds to drive him home. Gave us half a bag of the most incredible stuff. Happy days.

It almost can't get too hot for sativa cannabis provided you do right by the plant.

And as bananas were brought up earlier, some very tasty bananas from Coffs and Tully, both hot areas.
best bananas and pineapples ive had in recent times were either from my garden , or in thailand ,
we seem to pick all our fruit green and ripen it unnaturally ,, makes them taste like crap compared to the real deal ,
i cant even eat bananas from the shop anymore ...
 

Dime

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i feel the genetics back then were more vigorous ,
they dont seem as vigorous these days ..
would love to have some of that stuff from the 90s back again for sure man ...

kanga was in casino previously, he did a lot of work on his soil from memory ...

Unlikely ,
anyhow canna t is on holidays for a week from this thread ,
he was warned more than once ,
not a great idea telling old folks their favorite cannabis is shit continually ,
and not having any first hand experience of what they talk about ,
we know what we like ... lol ...
I agree and I think it was a lot more stable, you could keep males in veg indefinitely and reveg worked better,easier to clone, and consitent
 

Hammerhead

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looks more like how they tie up some boned and stuffed meats,, lol ..
no one knows how to do selection there any longer,, the days of the quality they had,
is for now nonexistent,, though there may be a few standouts, as a whole,, doubtful,
they need to be selecting for potency, over and over, as they did in the old days ...
the modern stuff won't hold a candle to the original maybe never as the focus is on capital gains at the expense of quality and potency ...

Dr. Manoon continued that during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1975, millions of American soldiers were stationed in Vietnam. Some people who have come to Thailand have tried smoking Thai marijuana, are addicted, and bring "Thai Stick" back to the United States to continue smoking.

"Thai marijuana smuggled into the United States from Thailand at that time was grown in the Northeast, a region with a hot climate, with more THC than CBD at a price of only 3 dollars (60 baht at that time) per kilogram in Thailand. Sold in the United States for $4,000. Thousands of tons of marijuana were imported into the U.S. from Thailand between 1968 and 1972. However, after 1975, the United States withdrew all troops from Vietnam. Today's new generation of Americans and Thais no longer know Thai_Stick.


Thailand’s war on drugs has been about as disastrous as America’s. It culminated at one point with 2,800 deaths by police in a matter of months, during an intensive crackdown on a meth wave that spread across the country during the early 2000s. With its prisons bloated and the judicial system bogged down with low level drug cases, Thailand’s government has finally realized that locking people up for using a plant their forebears had relied on for millennia was not such a good idea. Just like in the US, those original quality plants are gone. I think the same applies around the world.
 
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CharlesU Farley

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i feel the genetics back then were more vigorous ,
they dont seem as vigorous these days ..
would love to have some of that stuff from the 90s back again for sure man ...
I wonder how many of the Gorilla Glue's, Skittles, Wedding Cakes, or whatever other trendy, popular cannabis types you want to name... could grow like this, completely unknown and unattended, on the north side of the house, with no direct sunlight, water, fertilizer, etc., in a recycled soil pile???? :ROFLMAO: :

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@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
Andy RIP told me you could still find the old school quality Thai there, but most of it was imported rubbish, and then you had a lot of the faster Dutch types also being grown.

I think the real damage to cannabis in Thailand came from imported genetics from people like KD who thought it was a good idea to cross things like feminised Super Lemon Haze from Aryan into the remaining Thai lines that he then spread those genetics far and wide through Thailand.

The final blow came from the Thai Government and the Thailand Unanimity when they gave out a million clones of high CBD they developed.

Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul announced in a Facebook post on May 7 that he wants to distribute one million cannabis plants with a THC level below 0.2% to households across the country for medical purposes only.


People like CannaT and there are many who have not experienced a good Thai to understand just how good they are and were.

Once the dust settles in Thailand I would love to see good Thai being grown there again but not in the hands of people like Aryan and the rest who are just in it to cash in. I would love to see the villages having control of the old lines, as it's part of their heritage.
 

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