Tom Hill Haze

[MAHA KALA]

description from positronics, they forgot to mention skunk though hahahaha

Tom Hill says his line is 70% of thai if I remember it well, so if you use those 30% plants for "reproduction", you cant await you will get much of thai.

 

[MAHA KALA]

Ohz x THH I grew was nothing like good toms haze, it was stony spacey. euphoric yes. not electric trippy stuff, get pale with cold sweat on your forehead, no visual distortion or time gaps. it was relaxing weed to me.

I am really happy to have male which translates trippy trance jittery electrified effect into progeny, and even in case I use sativa/indica hybrid as mother, not with nothern lights content though, that is killer of haze effect, takes edginess off.

 

[PlasmaTube]

Ohz x THH I grew was nothing like good toms haze, it was stony spacey. euphoric yes. not electric trippy stuff, get pale with cold sweat on your forehead, no visual distortion or time gaps. it was relaxing weed to me.

I am really happy to have male which translates trippy trance jittery electrified effect into progeny, and even in case I use sativa/indica hybrid as mother, not with nothern lights content though, that is killer of haze effect, takes edginess off.

Interesting take MAHA KALA, great info indeed.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Ohz x THH I grew was nothing like good toms haze, it was stony spacey. euphoric yes. not electric trippy stuff, get pale with cold sweat on your forehead, no visual distortion or time gaps. it was relaxing weed to me.

I am really happy to have male which translates trippy trance jittery electrified effect into progeny, and even in case I use sativa/indica hybrid as mother, not with nothern lights content though, that is killer of haze effect, takes edginess off.

I don't think Gollis OH used in that cross is relaxing. If then the relaxing will come from Toms relaxing purple stuff or MadMacs selections of it.

Or from Positronics compact Haze.

 

[MAHA KALA]

I don't think Gollis OH used in that cross is relaxing. If then the relaxing will come from Toms relaxing purple stuff or MadMacs selections of it.

Or from Positronics compact Haze.

compact like this?

it is possible it came from macs toms haze, I dont know. is it important? I just say it is not that trippy stuff I am used to, when I smoke my toms haze... thats all. it was euphoric stony spacey smoke. good toms haze is not spaced out effect.

so you suggest that Tom Hill is growing compact 10week haze, and he thinks it is heavy thai, yes?

maybe you remember that Nevil got 10weeker in original haze too, no? hazeB? so it is not something unusual.


but I think that everybody understands, that Tom Hill didn't breed for 10 weekers, he told me for 14 weekers.

 

[MAHA KALA]

poops

 

[MAHA KALA]

he said many different lines, toms haze is definitely different than those hazes in dutch haze. different, but not distinctive, related. hopefully nobody will state that these hazes are not related with haze in Nevils hybrids, like I saw somewhere. different yes, but related, so crossing them cant bring any improvement imo. of course when you cross nevilles haze with ohz, it is improvement it that sense, that it is more haze than nevilles haze. yeah thats it.

OHaze was fairly consistant as F1's but by the time it was f5 and above it segregated out into many different related lines.



-SamS

 

[MAHA KALA]

I was asking because I was wondering if the two lines were separated by enough generations to possibly restore hybrid vigor if crossed back together.

skunkman doesn't think so.

read this:

Haze crossed with Haze will be lucky to have any improvement.

-SamS

 

[MAHA KALA]

Tom Hill thinks that if it is not metalic smelling, it is not worthy. is your haze smelling metallic? he told me he is scared to breed metallic trait out.

Haze plants are well culled to ommit the resinless vegging phenos, they are not many, maybe 25%. But do well to get rid of them, all that don't smell like a high school metal shop in early veg are not whorth growing out ime.- T

 

[MAHA KALA]

seedsman and 90s haze are incense hazes right? so let see, just for fun, when we are in THH thread, what Tom Hill thinks about it:

I have smoked the uptown and is is all teak leathery sandalwood incense like the typical Dutch Haze prevalent there in the 90's, perhaps a bit watered down even. I have also smoked the Black, which is even moreso imo.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

It's always fun to look to Terence McKenna for clarity. He liked to point out nobody knows what anyone is talking about. And flavors are a great example of this. Until each individual has a detailed conversation about different flavors and the words used to explain them we all naively assume we understand each other. What one person calls sour may not be the same as another.

Just something to think about......

 

[MAHA KALA]

It's always fun to look to Terence McKenna for clarity. He liked to point out nobody knows what anyone is talking about. And flavors are a great example of this. Until each individual has a detailed conversation about different flavors and the words used to explain them we all naively assume we understand each other. What one person calls sour may not be the same as another.

Just something to think about......

but still when somebody says sour, you will not think of sweet..

language(code system) was here before you, and will be here after you, doesn't depend on you in any way. you signature can insist even after your death.

thats why we understand each other, as language is common. one person language gives no sense...

so even before you smell incense for first time, there were word for incense before that event of yours.

so we can all agree that A5 is incensy and SFV OG is lemon pledge...

so yes there are subjective impressions, but I can categorize them, create evidence of them and refer to objective traits of it. based on common agreed code.

 

[MAHA KALA]

Tom Hill about current thai lines, like 2008 thai and others:

"Most of the "Thai" i´ve tried in the last ten years or so was just kinda okay,not saying the goods aren´t out there,just that i haven´t been able to locate it,& i´ve turned over a few stones lookin.The closest i´ve come are selected phenos of the original haze from positronics.I´ve always thought that their haze was very heavy in thai genes,due mostly to a characteristic thai smell/flavor in a high percentage of them (+/-75%),a smell i remember from some excellent thai that some friends used to grow long ago.Although most of the reports say "mostly colombian/mexican & less south indian/thai",there´s a seemingly informed report by "Robert Clarke"(i wonder) that seems to go along with my guess of heavy in thai genes."

so you see that on the one side we have real breeder(a lot of work behind him), who cant find anything worthy in thai lines from 2000 to 2010 year, and on the other hand we have horse guy, who is growing for 4 years and grew like 5 thais in his life, recommends 2008thai as breeding tool over THH. judge yourself....

 

[MAHA KALA]

Tom Hill about THH smell:

"it is very complex but I'll give it my best shot. Three complex components. A Thai-like lime citrus, an herb collection (rosemary, thyme etc), and a high school metal shop (metallic/oily). These 3 components are represented to varying degrees depending on phenotype - some are more herbal, some more citrus, some more metallic etc. -Tom"

 

[MAHA KALA]

anybody found 5% pheno in any of these "reproductions"?????

I made my own toms haze seeds, and I shared it with some guys. but I dont feel comfortable about it, as I cant guarantee authenticity...

If I remember well so Skunkman say that real reproduction is 500 males vs. 500 females, if you want to avoid to loose some genes in the process.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Tom Hill thinks that if it is not metalic smelling, it is not worthy. is your haze smelling metallic? he told me he is scared to breed metallic trait out.

Yes, I have a whole separated metal OH male line. That Madmac described as being like XTC.
That Elanius did grow too, in addition to Mac's Seedsman OH repro that Elanius did call metal too.
Best is to ask him the difference between the metal types in Original Haze and THH.

His detailed smoke reports and pics are in the Original Haze thread.

seedsman and 90s haze are incense hazes right? so let see, just for fun, when we are in THH thread, what Tom Hill thinks about it:

Golli OH is fruitier.
While Seedsman OH is (from the quick to the slow Haze types):

-Rootbeer
-metal
-pepper
-incense
-citrus

 

[funkyhorse]

Tom Hill said: In order to have the best wine the vine must suffer
If anyone has eyeache looking at my tortured plants, please dont look at them. Tortured plants certainly teach plenty and faster than lab plants. This is a very good lesson from Master Tom

This is from @Huesos thread

Hey hermano Huesos... nice pictures! I love Hazes too, I've grown several strains of such family:

-Oldtimer1's Haze, the outstanding work from Charlie Garcia with this oldschool strain from old Hazes preserved in UK by OT1 and Wolfmann.

-Tom Hill's Haze, work done from a few packs of the old O. Haze that Positronics used to sell from original Sam Skunkman stocks.

-Haze/Skunk from TFD/Seedsman/C.Choice as well, original F1s from Sam as far as I know.

-Orginal Haze from TFD/Seedsman/C.Choice, latest source of the original haze, pretty inbred and lack of vigour but great effect.

-Some of the classic "dutch" Haze hybrids like Mango Haze, Super Silver Haze, Amnesia, Jack Herer, C99, etc.

The best Hazes in my opinion (or the closest to my idea of a true Haze strain, meaning 100% tropical, no ceiling tripping strain) were the OT Haze and the Original Haze from TFD/Seedsman/C. Choice. I've smoked great females among both but I loved the diversity of phenos found on the OT Hazes. From the very present colombian Hazes to other green Hazes (thai leaning?). All have the distinct Haze flavour and quality of high. Only problem is the super long flowering time and ridiculous production but it's connoisseur stash, not commercial stash. Those foxtails smell like heaven and get you high as a fuck!

Tom Hill haze was nice too but I think it's been too tamed, sometimes it looks more like a Haze hybrid rather than a pure Haze strain. Plus the high wasn't maybe that clean, I've found a bit of comedown as far as I remember.

As for the hybrids, I loved the Haze/Skunk and Thai/Haze X Skunk much more than the dutch haze hybrids. Some very Haze leaning phenos can be found on the TFD/Seedsman/C.Choice stock with sharp haze effects and not so much within the Sensi/Mr Nice and all the other dutch Haze hybrids. This seem to have been too much worked towards indoor growing in my opinion, they have too much Skunk and Northern Lights for my taste and you can't find wild long flowering Haze phenos very often, probably because they were very inbred. All have a potent comedown and when I smoke Haze, I don't want any couchlocking or relaxing end. I'm looking for the clean, sharp and electric effect. When it dilutes, I'll smoke more but I don't want to hit the ceiling after the first one.

I didn't smoke the Nevil's Haze though but looking forward to do it.

Vibes.

PS: there is some interesting info on Hazes at the Hazemania thread from Sideshow Bob: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=255216

It would be interesting to have Atreyu thinkings about it, he probably bets on Deep Chunk but I dont think so, Deep Chunk would have been dominant
@Raco
What do you think?

I had the luck to grow this Ancestral Skunk. I grew the Skunk x haze fro Cultivator Choice and it is a very resinous indica which cannot be grown in my environment. So for me the skunk in this release was the indica pheno

This is Ancestral Skunk sativa pheno. I think something coming from this line is in the mix.

In the backrosses of Seedsman Haze I had a carnival of phenotypes I didnt expect. Most plants didnt look as expected
About the Punto Rojo fate at end of 80s, a reminder from Mama Coca.

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If you are seeing a leaf size Zamal in any Punto Rojo tag, it is obviously hybridized stock paraquat resistant weed. From this hybridized stock, males are not reliable. If you need to find one in 20, males are not going to be very reliable in those hybridized lines released from Colombia. Their new Corinto purple has 8 phenos and I bet they will find more. It is like modern paraguayan weed, a phenotype carnival of hybridized glyphosate resistant stock. The stock of the 80s is dead
Feliz Reyes everybody

 

[JohnnyChicago]

compact like this?

it is possible it came from macs toms haze, I dont know. is it important? I just say it is not that trippy stuff I am used to, when I smoke my toms haze... thats all. it was euphoric stony spacey smoke. good toms haze is not spaced out effect.

so you suggest that Tom Hill is growing compact 10week haze, and he thinks it is heavy thai, yes?

maybe you remember that Nevil got 10weeker in original haze too, no? hazeB? so it is not something unusual.


but I think that everybody understands, that Tom Hill didn't breed for 10 weekers, he told me for 14 weekers.

Compact and 10 weeker is how Positronics did describe their Haze in their 1996 catalogue.
While on the OH seed pack I bought in the Positronics shop in 1995, was written "december" as flowering time.

Tom reported two versions of Positronics Haze too.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

double

Missing the photo(s) of the double Grandfunk MAHA.

 

[MAHA KALA]

Missing the photo(s) of the double Grandfunk MAHA.

I dont have any, nobody grew that one yet. how was your season?