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Tom Hill Haze
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TheDarkStorm
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Thanks for that pic willydread.
See the main plant on the left hand side of the guy im able to produce a f1 almost identical to that.
oh you can , even without seeing that plant any other way than in the picture ,
your skills are beyond awesome dark one ,
or you are full of shit , come on man with the stupid stuff please ,
lets be real shall we , you only see a picture and you can reproduce that exact plant ,,
seriously .. how about u just say wow that s cool or something ...
yo0u cannot reproduce that plant because you dont even know the exact lineage , the end product , the smell , the high from it , etc .... what a ridiculous statement ...
TheDarkStorm
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Looks wise Donald..if we had the plant im willing to bet it would be similar in other traits....pity you arnt closer Donald if you were id give it you to see...an if there is one thing you should know by now Donald I dont need to lie or bluff...anyway hope your good man...
The closest ive seen to it online is flowerpowers bred by mac's doorsxhazexhaze...wich looks close but some diffrences but its not a f1 is it....anyway have a nice day. I will speak to you again later...got other things to do..
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this should be a sticky. best most concise explanation ive read. when you have a divergent line with possible chromosome abnormalities the first 2 or 3 generations are crucial. making a couple real good ones will lock in the special traits in the line because all progenitors hold the desired conserved genes/traits. no where is this more important then in haze.
outcrossing to a line which does not share the conserved organs- cbc trichomes, sulfur/amine compounds, phenolpropanoid/eugenol productions, fenotrigo bud structure with resin rails/stems. all of these are under genetic control .
by examining this divergent haze clade discovered in 2016 by lynch and comparing how many grandparents are 69 haze. the grinspoon being a recessive s1 of nevils haze counts as 4, nevil haze 3 etc check it out you can see the ancestor progress. clade is a group which all share an ancestor which other lines do not.
in this case that ancestor seems to run thru haze A. i think haze C is a generation after haze A or haze c has the same father and different mother then A, with the A mother being "first haze" passing down mitochondrial haplotype which haze Cs mother does not posses.
keeping in mind the mother always pops back up in a line that means whatever the first haze was would be contained in all generations of daughters until a female is used which does not contain the haplotype- either due to outcrosses or bad selection during inbreedings. from there resurecting the original female is near impossible.
this is why the time machine factor with nevils lines are paramount. i think that tom hill haze is actually the closest phenotype wise to the 69 haze females. alot of unique looks pop up thru recombination. but nevils line is still more ancient imo creating haze A breeding males and cross them to THH or haze4dayz, would be the best way to recapture all of haze phenotypes. when mac put a5 to sams haze huge awesome outlier plants came out of the mating. i recently came across 2 seemingly monoceious haze plants in dj outback x vietnam. they were both nld males which sexed and thru lots of pollen. when put back into veg they grew pistils seeded themselves and became full females with red stems, faciated nodes, scorpion phenos and the seeds were wild type! the vietnam has awoken some craziness.
outbackviet when still male
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Toms Haze going by Tom has Thai in it now a key point here is Toms Haze throws Purple or closer to purple black plants and you dont get them in any of Nevils Haze lines.
Nevil has left a huge amount of breeding info and also descriptions of the Haze he worked with.
Not sure how you can compare Nevils Haze with Dr Greenspoon.
Nevil has left a huge amount of breeding info and also descriptions of the Haze he worked with.
Not sure how you can compare Nevils Haze with Dr Greenspoon.
CannaT
starin' at the world through my rearview
I also saw that while growing JH i dont want to start debate is it haze C dom or Haze A dom or mix A and C line....but I didnt saw anything purple on any plant and temps were most of the time very cold at night around 18-19C
it is on the broad side of se asian start with broader leaves in beginning and then thin out as flower progresses.like this a5bx male
or your pic here of the soma g13 haze male
whatever this weirdo trait is outbackviet originally came from china so broad leaves arent too surprising and isnt really great indicator when it comes to haze. here are a couple better pics
i kept an nl5 outback male too but didnt do any of this switching up. plant is putting off wild type seeds which is crazy because nnone of the previous generation had them. and the vietnam has broader phenos. they look the part now.
this is what the outback nl5 looks like. dreadlocks of calyxs formed into bud
brown haze sure is the way to go looks nice. seems like if the 2 haze lines are far enough apart should get even some hybrid vigor out of the cross. ultimatly it comes down to nevils lines being older but also male. males pass down chromosomal abnormalities at a way higher rate then females because the pollen itself is varying size genomes as aneuploid. add that to the fact filial generations have been kept to a minimum keeps that pollen from "diploidizing" i personally do not think toms line is mixed. the difference between tom and sam is that tom used strict resin selection and multiple generations of clone and seed together in runs. he created a "bottleneck of quality" andkept the diversity in the line because this method increases recombination immensly. sams stratedgy of not selecting by trying to "keep" all the genes ultimatly dilutes the line because it allowed the aneuploid lines to stabalize back to diploid. every aneuploid is on the way to transforming to near tetraploid or near diploid. toms woudl be the tetra, sam would be the di.brown thai pheno of toms haze x vietnamese. toms haze has nothing to do with nevilles haze, no comparison. like Tom Hill said, they are different animals.
Has anyone got a THH pheno similar to the Purple pheno posted back on this page. I have not seen anything similar. Is this just a 1 off unlikely to ever be seen again?. It looks more like a poly hybrid than THH. Her color is most likely from low temps and not the genetics.
I can def see THH traits in CPH.... 1st pic is THH google find. She has those same pistil crowns as I call them. Easy to spot. I'm really liking this plant. it's not the most potent but still in the 20% range. She cures to some super nice smooth smoke. No harshness.
These are at 52 days. I like her at 75-80 days
Tom Hill Haze
I cant see anything? This forum does something funky with pictures all the time it seems. If you're browsing with your phone maybe try with a laptop? Or maybe it's the pot you smoked :D And yeah, that's a dream cross right there!
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I can def see THH traits in CPH.... 1st pic is THH google find. She has those same pistil crowns as I call them. Easy to spot. I'm really liking this plant. it's not the most potent but still in the 20% range. She cures to some super nice smooth smoke. No harshness.
These are at 52 days. I like her at 75-80 days
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
You wont find any but what you do find rarely is a dark green black leaf type that resembles a Colombian.
Brother Hempy
I was interested in the topic long ago of purple in Nevs Haze lines . Trying to connect if purple Colombians or Thais were responsible for the color
Dirk diggler Reported purple in Neville’s Haze
Also There is An old afghan Haze thread by pluko still up at mns . He reports purple along with another member and shows temps were not related
1luvbigherb
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Hiya Herb hope all is good on your side of the pond mate.
I have never seen purpleing in any of Nevils or Shantis Haze work and to be honest i never saw it in the Colombians i saw or grew here ether. I have seen a dark green black leaf and thats from the Colombian side as my Red Colombian plants leaf goes from dark green in veg to a black in flower.
I Grew the Afghan Haze still have it and again never saw purpleing and in winter temps i still never saw purpleing.
This is the Dark green i mean and some plants express even darker Green or a blacker leaf color than this.
got 1 pheno from the recent thh f2 pheno 6 thats flo time appeareance and smell is almost identical to my mango thai /laos so much so i feel it would be criminal not to bred it to my mtl male,,have two faster flo thh 2,3 that also have a hint of mango but more sharp sour wereas 6 is more ripe with maybe a hint of mothballs smell better than it sounds lol
how bout eden ?? ,,no one knows we can speculate for ever ,,oh it lumbo oh the africans were in columbia but so were the dutch english spanish and were had they all been prevouisly ?,,,and thats just recent history you can add thousands of years of complete unknown history to the theory ,,at this time sam is the source for us all ,,he says lumbo ,,so i guess only way well know is if the science side dna testing etc matches up ,,, but as soon as you establish its lumbo someone will say oh yes but there was an eskimo family living there at same time and they were known to feed hemp to there yaks l lol
