@harvestreaper , I guess nobody really smoked nevil's hazes pure, they were male plants, except the hazeB.
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
No they were all plants from pure Haze seed Sam sold Nevil.
The first female was flowering for 9 months before Nevil cut it down and then regretted not taking clones of her for years.
You guys need to under stand why Nevil used Haze males in his breeding it all comes down to ancestral memory and only males carry that.
The 5HzA female looks like a Thai and the First female Haze Nevil grew that never stopped flowering also resembled a Thai.
JohnnyChicago
Well-known member
In the early 90s there was HzB x HzC from Nevil that was getting sold legally and commercially in the same town where the A5, c5, NH etc clones from Nevil got sold only few years later too. The same place where the clones are finally preserved 27 years later.
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Bullshit.
Everything in a sense has ancestral memory, in the DNA of their make up, but males do not differ in this way from females. It's time to put sophistry to bed.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Really you calling bull shit on ancestral memory GMT ?
(females sex chromosomes are XX, males are XY)
Females have two X sex chromosomes while males have an X and a Y sex chromosome from their mother and father, respectively. This means a male will share the same Y chromosome as all of the male ancestors in his paternal line.
(females sex chromosomes are XX, males are XY)
Females have two X sex chromosomes while males have an X and a Y sex chromosome from their mother and father, respectively. This means a male will share the same Y chromosome as all of the male ancestors in his paternal line.
Keep calm and carry on, Mods are on duty
ok thanks so only 1 female and only nevil smoked her ,, others were ,males gotya
i hear you on male and female dna certainly applies to humans not sure in plants i would assume the same interesting stuff
Northern Lights 5 crossed with Haze male C. Is the best Indica / Sativa hybrid that I've ever done. HzA male to NL5 was also excellent and was the mother of N.H. The HzC was a complex sweet aroma, while HzA produced plants with a leathery smell, more reminisent of the old Thai's.
Complex liver/ leather smell is what I'm looking for in a good Thai descenant to cross with the Haze.
N.
This is the description of Haze C.
Direct Quotes above from Nevil
Harvest reaper
SamS cultivators choice Haze hybrids both have reports of incense. Soo does every Original Haze offered that is legit . Including Nevils Haze’s
This idea of Thai being Soo present in Haze n haze hybrids has long been discussed. I think many n most have not seen the True pure long flowering lumbos of the late 60’s True Equatorial (Thai is not ) and at that I think most have not grown a true Thai from the early 70’s including some of your favorite breeders .
1luvbigherb
Complex liver/ leather smell is what I'm looking for in a good Thai descenant to cross with the Haze.
N.
| Quote: Santa Marta Gold It has a very spicy/sandalwoody/piney flavor |
Direct Quotes above from Nevil
Harvest reaper
SamS cultivators choice Haze hybrids both have reports of incense. Soo does every Original Haze offered that is legit . Including Nevils Haze’s
This idea of Thai being Soo present in Haze n haze hybrids has long been discussed. I think many n most have not seen the True pure long flowering lumbos of the late 60’s True Equatorial (Thai is not ) and at that I think most have not grown a true Thai from the early 70’s including some of your favorite breeders .
1luvbigherb
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Sams has never touched much on flavors and Aromas . His best description comes from my questioning and it’s varied . One thing I don’t understand why he has never touched on Incense . It’s present in his Haze and all offered . I believe it’s the trait most associated with Haze just my opinion
I saved all post incense related from IC . I’m not sure who you refer to other than myself about Tom being angry about mention of incense in his line . We’ve never had any misunderstandings between you and I . The thing about the internet is you can’t erase what’s posted . All post are still there in my thread
I Never said church was present in Tom hills Haze , church is frankincense and we know there are many different incense . I said sandalwood and Sarsapirella aka root beer were reported .I shared quotes from several members with mention of incense in his line . I shared facts of experiences/opinions , not mine .
I like to be clear and open, since we’ve had good communication in the past
All original Haze TFD /Seedsman /old timers Haze/ Tom hill Haze , Nevils Haze hybrids . All share a varying degree of incense . The old timers haze in phylos is related to Colombian Gold . Now this is not my experience just shared public info on the net
1luvbigherb
incence sure but what is it,,, this todds 3 i call leather could be classed as incence asto the smell it leave in the room but its not frankincence or nag champa ive had clear nag champa out of the agua verde s i had i had some beautiful frankincence out of jonny blaze x azure haze i have no doubts its there but the definitions are vague as to all our diffrent understandings of incence ,,wild geranuim pine liver and peppers are all present in hazes/hybrids ive toked on
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
You do realize herb that Tom has said his Haze has Thai in it.
Nevil said the first Haze female reminded him of a Thai.
Sam has said and i quote.
Tom said and i Quote.
People here still grow and have Thai lines dating back to at lest the 70s Herb.
And for the record Nevil did make pure Haze seed with the seed he bought from Sam they were past on to shanti.
I was not going to respond but it’s been Soo long . Maybe things changed and we can communicate
What does Tom know about Thai . Or is it a better question to ask what does Tom know about Colombians from the 60’s . Mr Hill has spoke about Chocolate Thai n not much else . Chocolate Thai is from the early 80’s n last of the imported Thai . I don’t think he seen much else let alone grew and experienced older lumbos to compare. Same as Nevil what Thai is Nevil so familiar with to make the comparison. Well we don’t have to assume, he states it’s reminiscent of the Buddha Thai . Well he may have smoked it , but how much if it did he grow ? And is he familiar with older lumbos for comparison . I believe the answer is No
The only quote I won’t fight is Sams . The only problem is he has changed his answer/ response/ facts of Burning bush - Below
I just read all the posts from my last post #1945 to #2376.The seeds I sold to Nevil were all made by memostly from Holland work.
I never sold any I collected from Haze I obtained from the Haze Bros. I sold my work.
J & G are the same guy. Almost all my OHaze seeds were from him.
I never sold any OHaze X S Indian Kerala or Thai as OHaze, I always called them OHaze X whatever.
Burning Bush was 100% pure OHaze
I have the Answers because I asked the questions to both Nevil and Sams
I can show you better than tell you , above is my opinion below is Facts / quotes / info available
Sams
Do you still have any OHaze seeds from G ? If soo have you tried to germ them ? NO I HAVE NONE LEFT JUST OFFSPRING.
From your post I assume Nevils Haze was from pure Lumbo correct? YES.
Nevil said you told him burning bush was an ancestor of his seed stock he acquired , the 66-70 dates labeled on Nevils seeds he acquired from you was a BS story ? NOT SURE BUT BURNING BUSH WAS PURE OHAZE I GREW AND NAMED.
The fact he got 7 seeds to pop out of thousands from 85 stock don’t sound right . But you would know best THE SEEDS I SOLD HIM HAD A VERY HIGH GERM RATE, HE DID NOT EVER GROW THOUSANDS FROM SEEDS HE GOT FROM ME AS FAR AS I KNOW.
Soo all the OHaze you sold to seedsman TFD positronics was pure Colombian? YES UNLESS SOLD AS A HAZE HYBRID.
The emphasis all these years folks have made on thai association to OHaze is funny I GAVE BOTH RL AND G THAI SEEDS I GOT FROM GOLDEN OFF THE STICK THAI THAT WAS FANTASTIC IN MAYBE 75 IN SC. THEY MADE A FEW HYBRIDS BUT G LIKE THE PURE OHAZE BETTER AND DID NOT USE THEM AGAIN, RL LIKED THEM BUT DID NOT KEEP CLONES SO THEY WERE GONE PRETTY QUICK, THE SAME WITH S INDIAN, KERALA. I MADE MORE HYBRIDS AS I FOUND THEM INTERESTING.
It seems you answered this already but I don’t understand, you never sold any Haze x Thai / S.indian as OHaze . But you said burning bush was OHaze with a strong Thai influence
Is burning bush Colombian x Thai ? Or pure Lumbo ? NO THAI IN IT.
I love details I appreciate you sharing more with us and setting some things straight, your wife manicuring and details of Nevils stock
I hope this future OHaze project comes to fruit and we can possibly have a taste or access to a representation from someone who knows it best
TIME WILL TELL.
-SamS
Much Respect
1luvbigherb
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in NYC around my way we say if it anint church it anint fire
more incense and less nonsense
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Apologies I don’t even know how to quote with this new format n it’s been Soo long since I have
Brother this is not personal , this is not up for interpretation. It is what is it is . Post / information shared by all mentioned. Not my opinion, I’m just sharing what’s already been posted
1luvbigherb
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
I would prefer a civil conversation with you to Herb and just because i may not agree with you dose not mean we cant get on right.
The Haze seed Sam sold Nevil were not made in Holland Herb they were produced in the US Nevil got the seed a few weeks after Sam arrived in Holland.
Tom knows a fare bit about Thais Herb and Chock Thai is not a product of the 80s chock Thai as you Americans call it is just a highland Thai that was around well before any of us were a twinkle in out fathers eyes.
Old Colombian lines and Thais are very different in the types of highs they give Herb and i personally think the old Mexican lines like Acapulco Gold are some what close to both. I smoked Acapulco Gold and it was again close to a Haze high.
When you smoke Haze be it Toms Nevils or Sams that was sold threw The Flying Dutchman or threw POSI the high types people got were Thai or Colombian type affects mate.
The Haze seed Sam sold Nevil were not made in Holland Herb they were produced in the US Nevil got the seed a few weeks after Sam arrived in Holland.
Tom knows a fare bit about Thais Herb and Chock Thai is not a product of the 80s chock Thai as you Americans call it is just a highland Thai that was around well before any of us were a twinkle in out fathers eyes.
Old Colombian lines and Thais are very different in the types of highs they give Herb and i personally think the old Mexican lines like Acapulco Gold are some what close to both. I smoked Acapulco Gold and it was again close to a Haze high.
When you smoke Haze be it Toms Nevils or Sams that was sold threw The Flying Dutchman or threw POSI the high types people got were Thai or Colombian type affects mate.
Nexus7
Well-known member
Nevil grew up on the West coast of Oz iirc. Close proximity to Thailand.
Sam from California. Close proximity to Colombia.
Makes sense that Nevil would know about Thais and Sam Colombians.
Also re burning bush Sam has mentioned it's a very thai leaning plant but somehow is pure lumbo? Also Nevil seems to think his 69 seeds are a burning bush ancestor.
So either Nevil got a thai leaning pure lumbo or burning bush was already hybridised with thai (stick).
Sam from California. Close proximity to Colombia.
Makes sense that Nevil would know about Thais and Sam Colombians.
Also re burning bush Sam has mentioned it's a very thai leaning plant but somehow is pure lumbo? Also Nevil seems to think his 69 seeds are a burning bush ancestor.
So either Nevil got a thai leaning pure lumbo or burning bush was already hybridised with thai (stick).
after everything is considered carefully from sam and nev an toms work and mouths i can see only one way outta this shit ,,,,,,get them seeds in the dirt people
