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Tom Hill Haze
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How do you choose your haze male?
Ask @Nobody's Nursery , I think he stated that it was based on resin stacking all the way up the stem, smells of Thai haze, etc. He picked a dozen or so from 200+ plants.
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Small sample size…
@ ask Maha. He picked what appears to be a real winner with Mr. Shine. Took him 40 plants or so to find that one.
You can grow all the hell out of these new haze plants to find an amazing girl…but I’ve always been thinking the 1 in a million (10,000) dude haze from Tom’s work is where it‘s going to be.
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call me crazy, cuz I am.
I know some that have. Sending cash in the mail is not the best choice.. There are plenty of cash apps that will work fine for TH limited release.
My cash is no good so says the USPS. Whatev. Rinse and repeat.
been in transit for well over a week. I could have ridden my bike up to Tom and handed him two bills in the meantime, ninnies.
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been in transit for well over a week. I could have ridden my bike up to Tom and handed him two bills in the meantime, ninnies.
Green Highland
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Isn’t deep chunk an IBL?
im thinking harvest windows will also be fun explorations when seeking ,,,,the" one " lol
Old Uncle Ben
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Yep, an old landrace, heirloom by Tom Hill. I bought seeds from Kwik Seeds and as luck would have it all turned out male. In fact, unlike sativas almost all of my pure indicas turned out male. Out of 13 seeds germed, only 2 turned out female.
This is a Spanish continuation of the original Tom Hill Deep Chunk, a renowned true-breeding Indica-type strain with roots in the Afghan Hindu Kush. The original landrace from which Deep Chunk was inbred is said to have been introduced to Northern California in the late 1970s. Crucially, it’s believed to have never been outcrossed. https://kwikseeds.com/product/deep-chunk-heirloom-strain-ibl-cannabis-seeds/
Here's a Tom Hill Deep Chunk male just beginning to show balls last January. Beautiful plants. Grew them in my custom soil mix, upcanned to a 2.5 gal. pot, mixed in a handful of Osmocote Indoor-Outdoor Plus 15-9-12, 5-6 month into the last of the backfill. Osmocote has become my favorite food for cannabis, start to finish. For pennies, it excels. I have about 30 years experience with Os, buying it in 50# sacks.
The Tom Hill Monkey Balls (I hate that name!) is a Deep Chunk F2. Trichomes are very short, barely visible but the plant is pure goo. Been curing since I harvested it May 21. Little 21" plant yielded 8.4 oz. of some fine, sticky bud. Bitch to manicure though!
For what should be excellent hybrid vigor in the progeny, I highly recommend you folks growing out Haze cross it with Deep Chunk. Yes, you'll be re-inventing the wheel, but if you have the time and desire you should get some amazing results. True-breeding for many traits, this is an archetypal Indica strain that’s earned a reputation as an excellent breeding plant. In an era when Cannabis genepools are becoming ever-increasingly homogenized through hybridization, pure inbred lines such as this should be in the collection of every serious grower and breeder.
Good luck,
Uncle Ben
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Green Highland
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I’ve used KWIK a few times and I noticed they had the chunk. Definitely interested. I had purchased 100 of the mendo docs og direct from Tom and he threw in some X18, I believe KWIK was calling it cider kush, was looking at those and the deep chunk. I’ll probably pull the trigger on the chunk. I like the thought of crossing both of those with some haze as you mentioned. Hope you find some killer males to use.
Old Uncle Ben
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Good luck with that project. Should be a lot of fun! I tell ya another "wow" indica you should try if you can find it - Cannacopia's Lapis Mtn. indica. That one and the Monkey Balls was gifted to me, came straight from the source too. The Lapis is not your typical indica couch lock but a super fine, happy, laugh-your-ass off type high. Smell is obnoxious strong. I'm on week 8 after re-vegging it. Will be harvesting the nuggets today or so. Leaf colors are crazy. Pistils production has about come to a halt and are mostly brown lately.
Re-vegged, shot took a week ago. Same pot, painted with MicroKote for roots production, germed Nov. 12, 2022. I take care of mah leaves!
Osmocote and a tweek now and then with Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro, 9-3-6. 
Uncle Ben
Green Highland
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Nice, I’ll keep my eyes open for it. Cheers and thanks for recommendationsGood luck with that project. Should be a lot of fun! I tell ya another "wow" indica you should try if you can find it - Cannacopia's Lapis Mtn. indica. That one and the Monkey Balls was gifted to me, came straight from the source too. The Lapis is not your typical indica couch lock but a super fine, happy, laugh-your-ass off type high. Smell is obnoxious strong. I'm on week 8 after re-vegging it. Will be harvesting the nuggets today or so. Leaf colors are crazy. Pistils production has about come to a halt and are mostly brown lately.
Re-vegged, shot took a week ago. Same pot, painted with MicroKote for roots production, germed Nov. 12, 2022. I take care of mah leaves!
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Uncle Ben
dramamine
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Have you run any of the Mendo G's? I've got a few seedlings of those going now.
Green Highland
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Haven’t popped any yet, probably pop a few next run. Will you be documenting your grow? Hope you find some
Old Uncle Ben
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Funny you should mention Cider Kush aka X18. Friend of mine at (the new) OG ordered them for breeding. https://kwikseeds.com/product/x18-heirloom-strain-cannabis-seeds/
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Nobody's Nursery
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Tom Hills Haze f3
From crickets and cicadas
Day 23 of 11/13 light dep
The males showed right away and I've narrowed it down to 18 males from 282 seeds. All 18 males are showing resin and drug plants expressions. One of the males is showing some purple on the calyx the rest are all green.
Gonna flower out these 18 males longer for more observation and to potentially narrow it down to 10 or less final keeper males.
Still pretty early to comment but I will try and post more about the females in few weeks when they are expressing more.
Overall the canopy looks real solid. Not seeing any mutants or bullshit. No broadleaf phenos. So far so good. Pretty easy hunt considering Tom has been telling everyone what to look for all these years.
From crickets and cicadas
Day 23 of 11/13 light dep
The males showed right away and I've narrowed it down to 18 males from 282 seeds. All 18 males are showing resin and drug plants expressions. One of the males is showing some purple on the calyx the rest are all green.
Gonna flower out these 18 males longer for more observation and to potentially narrow it down to 10 or less final keeper males.
Still pretty early to comment but I will try and post more about the females in few weeks when they are expressing more.
Overall the canopy looks real solid. Not seeing any mutants or bullshit. No broadleaf phenos. So far so good. Pretty easy hunt considering Tom has been telling everyone what to look for all these years.
Old Uncle Ben
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Plants look green and healthy. Pure sativa pheno. That's quite an endeavor.
Like you, "back in the day", I was on a mission regarding Haze, breeding, etc. Hope ya'll find this old email helpful:
SEPTEMBER 13, 2000
High Uncle Ben,
My name is Sjoerd , I am one of the growers/ gene finders for the Flying
dutchmen seed co. In answer to your Haze queries: The Haze that we posses is
the original cross between the 4 sativa types you mentioned. It is however
not from Wernard, but from a guy known as Sam the Skunkman Sam the miracle
man etc. He created and patented the Skunk #1, the original hazes and also
introduced many other fine varieties to Holland in the early 80's. The
advantage we had was the hectares of greenhouses we had to select good
parents, and the patience to test the combining abilities between many of
the already selected parent plants. Since the Haze genetics came to holland
it was not inbred extensively so I can't tell you in which generation
they are in you would be better to ask rc. As for attributes the Haze we
have is the green haze. It was selected specifically for breeding purposes
that is to say don't expect 20% t.h.c until after you create your own F1
hybrid. from what I know Haze reacts better when you hybridise them than
when you inbreed them, It brings out the best in them.
Given the choice I would cross the haze with our Afghan Skunk or with the
Pot of Gold, it's more work as these are F1 plants already but if you know
what to look for you will get very interesting results. always choose a
minimum of 5 parents of each sex and try all the combinations to pinpoint
the best combining abilities. The Thaitanic is an interesting choice and one
in five do show a small number of male flowers late in flowering, mabey more
in the next generation, careful selection and some gentle light stress on
cuttings will give you an idea of how hermy they might be. the photoperiod
could start on 13/11 then to 11/13. or 12/12 from the start. If you want to
breed then an immediate short day would speed the plants up alot plus they
get mighty large if you veg them more than a couple of weeks. please write
back if you have any questions i will be happy to help.
Sjoerd
> Hello, my name is Uncle Ben. I post to (and used to moderate) cann.com and
> having been around cannabis forums for a long time. I've been putting in a
> plug for you here and there after talking to Gypsy, RC, and my email buddies
> about your quality reputation, background (Positronics/Wernard support) and
> strains. Hope you will take some time to answer a few questions for me.
>
> I have an interest in your Original Haze, for small time breeding purposes.
> Stock sold through Heaven's Stairway. I talked to Richard who wrote me from
> the Dam recently, and apparently visited with you folks at the time. After
> answering a few questions RC suggested I email you for additional info.
>
> I am a seasoned grower and don't have a problem managing sativas. What I'm
> looking for is a strain that will impart an excellent potency phenotype to its
> progeny, for a personal smoke for me and my wife principally. I have the
> genetics for yields, so yield is not that important; potency is. I have
> quite a few Dutch strains and the potency is not all that impressive compared
> to some of the old Colombia and Mexican sativas I have grown out.
> Questions....
>
> 1. Is the strain you sell the original strain that Wernard got from whomever
> that was bred by the Haze brothers from the Oakland Bay area? Is it THE pure
> unadulterated haze hybrid consisting of Col. Gold X Acapulco Gold X Thai X S.
> Indian?
>
> 2. Have you backcrossed this strain into a F10 (wherever it's at), to try to
> get certain attributes? What are the dominant characteristics/phenotype
> please? What is good, and what should one watch for?
>
> 3. What is the best photoperiod to use with The Original Haze considering
> almost all of the parentage is from an equatorial region? I was planning to
> go 24/0 for veg, drop to 11/13 by harvest.
>
> 4. What in your repertoire would you recommend for crossing Haze to, to bring
> down the harvest time a little while maintaining a very potent sativa
> influence. How about the Thai Tanic, or is this strain prone to hermies due
> to the paradigm that Thai tends to impart this trait?
>
> Thanks so much for the advice, and keep up the good work!
>
> Much respect,
> Uncle Ben
Enjoy,
Uncle Ben
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