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Tom Hill Haze
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ICGA
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Lol is that a thing then? At f20 or something lol. With open polenation you can keep inbreeding for a long time but if it's just a few genotypes you would start to loose vigor in the majority of your phenos pretty bad after a while. Although you would still probably find the occasional relatively heterozygous individual.
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That is a conversation for Tom, not me. He is the breeder of DC, not you or me. He posts regularly on another site and is very easy to have a conversation with IME. I have grown DC. It will be dom when used in an outcross. Every plant I've grown is homogenous. Excellent breeding stock!!
If your looking for an honest answer about THH ask @Raco. Not sure if hes gorwn any indoor.. I have grown THH indoor under CMH/LED but in limited numbers.
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I hope as many people as possible can get TomHill Haze seed ( that he endorses) and then they grow them out and then they report back and we can put an end once and for all to all this Haze nonsense, one way or another
StickyBandit
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I hope to be able to find him since he was banned and might not come back. Someone said his last repro was 14 years ago?
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problems uploading not sure what i did here ,,,,,,thh f2 via mm ,6 , sorry to repeat ,,she all i got for now lol
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i love your optimism lolI hope as many people as possible can get TomHill Haze seed ( that he endorses) and then they grow them out and then they report back and we can put an end once and for all to all this Haze nonsense, one way or another
hes like arnie ,,,hell be back
thugpoet
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How many would you say are true keepers? ~5% like THH?
You can always BX to an earlier generation and /or use multi-line breeding to minimize inbreeding depression.
With open pollinations, you're keeping a fair amount of crap alongside the good stuff and are pretty much letting nature decide how/which traits will be fixed (or not at all). (Unless you're Tom Hill and you can get away with doing a semi-selected OP)
Usually, it's only done to produce a lot of seeds to avoid losing too many genes when starting from a limited amount of plants.
That's probably how Haze got to the point it is at today. If the SC story is to be believed, they were open-pollinated for several years until Sam went to Holland and tried to work/preserve them. But it was probably too late to be able to significantly improve the line without a tremendous amount of work, so I guess he must have lost interest at some point or always planned to get back to it one day but never did. He also said that you would be lucky if you saw any improvement from further inbreeding Haze, so he must have tried at least a little bit.
That could partially explain why, in the last couple of years, he has given some of his private seeds to people who proved to him that they were willing to put the work in.
I think what is unique today is that you have multiple OH lines all leading back to Sam, but totally unrelated. If they were to be successfully recombined together, that should restore at least some semblance of hybrid vigor in theory. I think Madmac has had some success in this direction.
yes not much has been available for decades ,,,now theres plenty for everyone , ,mm has done some goods stuff with the hazes,,,,,just got a few todds x mm up ands im real interested to see what manifests
ICGA
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DC looks insanely resinous for a land race, makes me wonder which region of Afghanistan its from.
I've seen your pics on GL they look supper prime.
ICGA
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Also not every plant will have lost hybrid vigor, only some will come out overly homozygous. Many will still have significant heterozygousity as long as the line isn't bottlenecked. It's all throws of the dice.
I hope so too, but he might not …we’ll see
