-tjo with 6 super lemon haze in RDWC-

[highonmt]

TJO,

They look good! don't sweat the slow bud formation they aint no big bud type indica like you're used to , these haze strains are sativa crosses and take a while to get going. You'll love the lemon tai taste influence and super high present in this strain. Yumm.
HM

 

[darko_G]

dude how many grows have you done.. diod u say this was one of the first?
anyway slh is a 10 weeker atleast yougot plenty of time for buds to get on there its the last 2 weeks they really fatten up, dont worry everything looks absolubtly great... u said ur plants are looking hungry.. im glad you are jus going by what they are telling you now rather than what people say to do. big rep maaan

 

[zuma]

dude how many grows have you done.. diod u say this was one of the first?

To be be honest i cant remember, but i've done a few, in fact my last grow was slh but all in soil and perlite. my thread One more ''My first grow thread'' i actually meant my first DWC. Thats all.

 

[darko_G]

was reffering to tjo lol...... how did your slh come out though bro, a mate of mine jus finished some a cuple weeks ago and it wass brill... much more dense than i had imagined, being a haze an all that
this question is for erm zuma.... zuma?

 

[Scrogerman]

Tjo, how often are you adding back/ topping off your main Res, & how much water is being removed from your res (by the plants) in the time between top-ups?. Your PH going right down like this isnt right, somethings wrong bro! but dont worry too much, im sure you'll get to the bottom of things. If your EC is going down & your PH this is wrong! seems to be alot too, from 5.9 - 4.5 in 3 days, thats way too much & too fast for my liking.

what is the EC of your top up solution?

Funny enough i believe low PH like 4.8 will kill certain root pathogens, they dont like the low PH apparently, it may help ya some anyway. Im thinking & looking towards your top-up solution practices now!!

How many times per hour does your whole solution circulate?

current water temps(in buckets & main Res)?

btw, your plants have regained their green colour again & look much better, good work!

 

[tjo]

Patience tjo slh needs time to flower be patient and you'll be rewarded

Your plants looks great anyway, so don't worry you will get a decent amount of bud for your trouble:

thanks zuma..i know Slh needs time to flower but when you are out
of YOUR weed then the patience is pain in the ass..
i hope for a decent amount of bud and i know that the slh is not
a good yielder..
i would like a harvest about half K. you think is possible??
i know that you grow slh so what is your opinion?

TJO,

They look good! don't sweat the slow bud formation they aint no big bud type indica like you're used to , these haze strains are sativa crosses and take a while to get going. You'll love the lemon tai taste influence and super high present in this strain. Yumm.
HM

welcome highonmt

thanks for the kind words man.i know what you say about haze
strains.i grow ssh for 2 years.-soil-
last year i had the big bud because i had the female plant..
when you smoke a lot some times you dont want 2 do nothing..
the only think am worry is the yield..will see in few weeks

dude how many grows have you done.. diod u say this was one of the first?
anyway slh is a 10 weeker atleast yougot plenty of time for buds to get on there its the last 2 weeks they really fatten up, dont worry everything looks absolubtly great... u said ur plants are looking hungry.. im glad you are jus going by what they are telling you now rather than what people say to do. big rep maaan

dargo_G
this is my 3rd hydro grow.
and thanks for the courage..

Tjo, how often are you adding back/ topping off your main Res, & how much water is being removed from your res (by the plants) in the time between top-ups?. Your PH going right down like this isnt right, somethings wrong bro! but dont worry too much, im sure you'll get to the bottom of things. If your EC is going down & your PH this is wrong! seems to be alot too, from 5.9 - 4.5 in 3 days, thats way too much & too fast for my liking.

what is the EC of your top up solution?

Funny enough i believe low PH like 4.8 will kill certain root pathogens, they dont like the low PH apparently, it may help ya some anyway. Im thinking & looking towards your top-up solution practices now!!

How many times per hour does your whole solution circulate?

current water temps(in buckets & main Res)?

btw, your plants have regained their green colour again & look much better, good work!

scrogerman

i made add back with RO water and im change the water almost every week.. i have one 120 l res for topping off the controller.
i dont know how much water my plants drinks..last week they drink almost 50 litres.maybe im wrong but with +-5.
i have a pump in my controller 1800l/h. in my next grow
i will change my 16mm return lines with 21mm and my pump with another stronger.
my water temp are 23 and my res temp is the same..

really. that problem with the ph is a big hedache with no solution..

 

[noreason]

but when you are out
of YOUR weed then the patience is pain in the ass..

you're damn right bro.I think almost everyone here know what this mean.Keep strong and be patient but if you need to speed up the flowering,losing something in weight,give less hour of light.

Good luck tjo

 

[m00nchild]

Lookin good tjo! Trust me, it's worth the wait... don't even sample the bud until 9 weeks, because it might not be much of a yielder... but the high is phenomenal, and it only requires a tiny puff or two!

 

[tjo]

you're damn right bro.I think almost everyone here know what this mean.Keep strong and be patient but if you need to speed up the flowering,losing something in weight,give less hour of light.

Good luck tjo

and the worst is the weed i bought..almost free but terrible weed.
smells like shit,smokes like big shit and the high is nothing..
im sure you know what im talking about..
i dont want to speed up the flowering..i just want huge buds
..until then i hope i keep my mind in my head!

Lookin good tjo! Trust me, it's worth the wait... don't even sample the bud until 9 weeks, because it might not be much of a yielder... but the high is phenomenal, and it only requires a tiny puff or two!

moonchild -- i love rory-
thanks for stopping by man..i ve read for many growers that
the high is phenomenal and i cant wait.. will see

 

[Scrogerman]

Right its Bacteria then, if your topping-off with RO PH adjusted water on a regular basis to equalise EC, then its gotta be, believe me. The same thing has just happened to me. 2-3 days ago my PH dives from 5.6 to 4.7-8 in 12 hours, its a sure indication of Bacteria. First i needed to see if it was the plants asking for less nutes so i just topped off with straight water, i did the same thing for 3 nights & the PH dive down the same & the EC dived down too. Ive dumped the Res(6 days old solution$$$$$$), & made up a new Res with Just nutes, PK, & H2o2 Only! i have been through this many many times & after a few days on the H2o2 my PH returns to normal. Most definatley Anerobic Bacteria taking over, if i used beneficial bacteria this would not have happened, or much more unlikely, my res temps are a soild 68f constantly! get that h2o2 in your Res 17.5% solution at 5mls per 10 ltres/ 0.5ml per litre. Ill be shocked if that doesnt fix things. Your Res temps are a little warm at 23c, thats roughly 75+f, perfect for a bacterial bloom, i could be wrong, but ill bet you im not! there is not many reasons for this to happen, PH down EC down, says alot!
Hope this helps!

imo, in your case there is nothing else it could be!

My problem this time is i have too many roots in my tote & less lpm of air pumping into my res. even though my temps are correct the roots have swampped it & now the anerobic bacteria is starting to take over, starting to smell funny but its very hard to detect, its a good idea to get to know your res with your nose. even if your res smells sweet, the numbers tell me its bacteria! if you were adding back nutes then id of looked at EC but your running lucas or similar. Id bet alot of money on this one bro!

Is there any Light getting into your buckets? the edges on the top of each-one look like a possible source of a light leak! just looks that way to me.

Also, have you ever read anything on 'Stem-Crushing' HST, i know its HST but the tec does help to control stretch & overall Cola height. its worth a read-up, if you allready havnt!

(im considering using beneficial bacteria next time!)

best o Luck!

 

[Kindman69]

Cheers Tjo, good to see that you are still plugging along here
Hope you don't mind if I follow you along )
Best of luck!

 

[rmccinc719]

i took this the day before thanksgiving. something for you to look forward to. your girls may start out a bit slow but they will start to biuld and swell soon enough. this slh is 4 1/2 weeks in. enjoy

 

[tjo]

Right its Bacteria then, if your topping-off with RO PH adjusted water on a regular basis to equalise EC, then its gotta be, believe me. The same thing has just happened to me. 2-3 days ago my PH dives from 5.6 to 4.7-8 in 12 hours, its a sure indication of Bacteria. First i needed to see if it was the plants asking for less nutes so i just topped off with straight water, i did the same thing for 3 nights & the PH dive down the same & the EC dived down too. Ive dumped the Res(6 days old solution$$$$$$), & made up a new Res with Just nutes, PK, & H2o2 Only! i have been through this many many times & after a few days on the H2o2 my PH returns to normal. Most definatley Anerobic Bacteria taking over, if i used beneficial bacteria this would not have happened, or much more unlikely, my res temps are a soild 68f constantly! get that h2o2 in your Res 17.5% solution at 5mls per 10 ltres/ 0.5ml per litre. Ill be shocked if that doesnt fix things. Your Res temps are a little warm at 23c, thats roughly 75+f, perfect for a bacterial bloom, i could be wrong, but ill bet you im not! there is not many reasons for this to happen, PH down EC down, says alot!
Hope this helps!

imo, in your case there is nothing else it could be!

My problem this time is i have too many roots in my tote & less lpm of air pumping into my res. even though my temps are correct the roots have swampped it & now the anerobic bacteria is starting to take over, starting to smell funny but its very hard to detect, its a good idea to get to know your res with your nose. even if your res smells sweet, the numbers tell me its bacteria! if you were adding back nutes then id of looked at EC but your running lucas or similar. Id bet alot of money on this one bro!

Is there any Light getting into your buckets? the edges on the top of each-one look like a possible source of a light leak! just looks that way to me.

Also, have you ever read anything on 'Stem-Crushing' HST, i know its HST but the tec does help to control stretch & overall Cola height. its worth a read-up, if you allready havnt!

(im considering using beneficial bacteria next time!)

best o Luck!

scrogerman i dont take the bet

today,after your post i realize that the bacteria was in my rez.. does not smells bad but im almost sure with this, just because i stopped oxugenated my rez before couple weeks because i thought is enough the water filter and i stopped the air pump-small but works well-
so, all the water i toping off has the problem.from today i use
h202 30% 40ml for 120litres and will see..

you made add back with nutrients?
also

Cheers Tjo, good to see that you are still plugging along here

Hope you don't mind if I follow you along

)
Best of luck!

welcome once more my friend! im still around here..i feel like home but the languange stops me a lot..
the ride is better know with the flowers..
best of luck for you 2 man

i took this the day before thanksgiving. something for you to look forward to. your girls may start out a bit slow but they will start to biuld and swell soon enough. this slh is 4 1/2 weeks in. enjoy

thanks mate..this photo is amazing for 4,5 weeks flower.
i hope my slh turns like yours..
is possible 0,5g/w you think with that strain??



..and a small update

ec 1,2
ph 5,8 and will see..

today i BROKE some tops..the best ones or...the tallers.
my hard broke 2 but the stretch still continues and i dident want
to raise more the lamps.now, i have broken tops but the lamps
are much closer to the plants..in the photo the lamps are in the height that was before the supecropping andtomorow i will touch the plants.i let it for tommorow..

also im thinkink some defoliation..i have plenty of fun leaves who cut the light..defoliation works with slh or not??
anyone has experience with this?

& couple photos for ya fellas

 

[Scrogerman]

Yes bro, this is you problem all along. Your dissolved Oxygen(O2) in your res solution is very low if your not using a big enough Pump, this is perfect for bad Bacteria(Anerobic) to bloom & flourish. Low D'O coupled with heavy Root Mass (like yours-'very nice' btw) & 75f+ temps is perfect for the bacteria to take a hold. this is why you have PH down & EC down constantly, even though you top off with RO water, your PH should be rising/stable, not diving.

Im Glad you have worked it out now & can lose that Head-Ache' you were having with this.

H2o2 will fix you up & you will see the PH return to normal within 24hours, as long as your EC is correct, it looks right at 1.2 for this time of bloom. Remember No Organics while using H2o2. watch that PH start going back up, or at least 'not' going down anymore!

Good Luck Buddy, i expect a Fat Harvest with Big Donky Dick Buds from you now mate!

(btw, i always top off my res with EC0.3 or 0.4 nute solution, unless the res EC needs to be weakened off & then i top off with straight water but not very often, i mostly use weak nutes, with great results & a nice stable solution EC & PH does what i want it to!(most of the time lol)- Good Luck bro!)

The stems bent over like that may actually do it some good! as long as you didnt completely snap them off, you can always use splits untill the wounds heal, they usually come back then.

 

[tjo]

Yes bro, this is you problem all along. Your dissolved Oxygen(O2) in your res solution is very low if your not using a big enough Pump, this is perfect for bad Bacteria(Anerobic) to bloom & flourish. Low D'O coupled with heavy Root Mass (like yours-'very nice' btw) & 75f+ temps is perfect for the bacteria to take a hold. this is why you have PH down & EC down constantly, even though you top off with RO water, your PH should be rising/stable, not diving.

Im Glad you have worked it out now & can lose that Head-Ache' you were having with this.

H2o2 will fix you up & you will see the PH return to normal within 24hours, as long as your EC is correct, it looks right at 1.2 for this time of bloom. Remember No Organics while using H2o2. watch that PH start going back up, or at least 'not' going down anymore!

Good Luck Buddy, i expect a Fat Harvest with Big Donky Dick Buds from you now mate!

(btw, i always top off my res with EC0.3 or 0.4 nute solution, unless the res EC needs to be weakened off & then i top off with straight water but not very often, i mostly use weak nutes, with great results & a nice stable solution EC & PH does what i want it to!(most of the time lol)- Good Luck bro!)

The stems bent over like that may actually do it some good! as long as you didnt completely snap them off, you can always use splits untill the wounds heal, they usually come back then.

thanks a lot scrogerman my friend..your help was precious 2 me..
today i had a little drop 0,1 ph is nothing.tomorrow i hope
that my ph will be stable after the 3rd time i add h2o2.

the plant is amazing..with broken stems and still wants to go up.
i do it before a couple days 2 one other top and has more bud than the others now..
..and thanks for the tip.

 

[Scrogerman]

Good News mate,
thats a clear indicator to me, id give it a couple of days more on the h2o2 with your straight water top-offs(RO) & if its still going down 0.1 a day i would dump a small amout of my res solution for a little more RO(Decrease EC by 0.1), your PH will return to being stable or rising a little. Imo its better for your PH to rise 0.1 a day rather than drop down. Overfertilisation has a negative effect on plants & may ultimately decrease final yields, goes back to the old saying; Less=More! Still i think your nearly there with EC, right on the line!
im glad your getting there now!

You know that you need to increase your DO/O2 in your Res, thats prolly what has caused this(Low D'O+75f+). exactly the same as my little problem 3 days ago, 4 days now, my PH returned to rising within 24 hours or so of treating with H2o2, went from 5.5 - 5.8 happy days, my EC was 0.7(a little weak) but at least it rising in a healthy fashion, now i increase my EC 0.1 & everything will be stable & maybe 0.1 upward drifts in PH everyday, PH up 0.3 in 3 days is perfect imo! It was the H2o2 that fixed me up & killed the Anerobic Bacteria!

Best o Luck!

(the plants with bent over stems are recieving more light down the length of their stems, hence more Bud. You may have to tie them up though) N1 mate!

 

[erwingruber]

Holla tjo ,
i am happy that you are taking control of your ph and that you found where is the problem.I was sure that you will solve this.You girls look awesome but i can tell you that
you are a bucher too (this how my partner call me cause i trim and bend the ladies .)
Keep us updated wish you the best.

 

[tjo]

hi fellas
scrogerman
the problem with the ph is still in my back! I still continue
the h202 every day 40ml/90litre and ph still goes down..
the ec level in 2 days goes from 1,2 to 1.-0,8 and thats mean my plants are hungy.
also i add one air pump 8w in the res..i hope in a few days
the problem will goin for ever.
how many days want this cure?

erwin

yea im butcher..finally i broke almost all my tops..
i think is better now..the light has better penetration in the lower branches.

tonight i will post some photos

 

[noreason]

Tjo,I'll try to do a little reasoning:

you could have issue with bad bacteria.You're feeding plants adding h2o2 to kill those bacteria.

Chlorine is an element used to disinfect.Tap water usually has a little amount of chlorine in it added by the water company.

If you fill your reservoir with tap water and let it flow for an half hour before remove it and change with osmostic water,you shoud disinfect everything and maybe this can help with pH imbalace.

The only thing you need to know is that probably when the wheater is rainy the water company add more chlorine in the ducts...and this can be dangerous for plants (personal experience)
If you take water when there is no rain,it's ok.If it's rainy let the water sit for an half hour before let it recirculate in your system.

I don't know if this can help you,but following the logic it should work.

G'luck bro

 

[tjo]

If you fill your reservoir with tap water and let it flow for an half hour before remove it and change with osmostic water,you shoud disinfect everything and maybe this can help with pH imbalace.

if the treatment with the h2o2 dont work then il try and that you suggest me..


Q for all DWC growers

A sativa plant all knows that need less nutrient then indica..
i wanna know the lower EC value that may need a plant in flower..
per example, last year with the big bud i had in the flower 1,8-2 ec.
until now with the SLH my higher limit in flower was 1,4
i drop it to 1,2 the last 2 weeks as i remember-lol- and i saw sign of overfert.
also the ec goes down fast..my problem with ph
is another story but if anyone told that finish plant with 1, or less that may be the answer in my problem..i hope make sense with my engish fellas.
well, who had the smallest EC in full flower and the plants was
healty and green--with buds aucourse--


&..with so many phenos the problem getting bigger in a sustem like rdwc.. this my view.. whats yours?

and the photos a promise..im not a good photographer but im a serious smoker without weed and the beers flow inside of me.

:friends:cheers without fears.