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NOKUY - u r correct - he even possible conditioned them more to humans which gives them more of a chance to get killed or kill in the future.
I would have shot the bear, while at the same time wondering why I have a boyfriend?
What happened?
Who the fuck goes out into an area where they are 90 % sure they are going to encounter bears, and doesnt bring a gun or at least bear mace? Dumb people thats who.
What happened?
Who the fuck goes out into an area where they are 90 % sure they are going to encounter bears, and doesnt bring a gun or at least bear mace? Dumb people thats who.
ol briarhopper
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He should have stayed home and watched wild kingdom.Jim would have showed him how to rassle grizzly bars 
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Go for the eyes. Jam your thumb in somewhere. Mammals are all very similar. I bet there's a soft spot in a bears neck too. Coulda threw salt in the bears eye. Might have to do it with claw marks in your leg, but it's fight or flight, and you made your decision.
Guy spent his life with bears and new nothing about them. Don't be that guy.
Go for the eyes. Jam your thumb in somewhere. Mammals are all very similar. I bet there's a soft spot in a bears neck too. Coulda threw salt in the bears eye. Might have to do it with claw marks in your leg, but it's fight or flight, and you made your decision.
Guy spent his life with bears and new nothing about them. Don't be that guy.
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Crime Scene photos?
How exactly was it a crime scene?
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Heehee, you made me laugh! I would've had a 45/70, a shotgun, AND a 357 magnum on my belt at all times!
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Just trying to distinguish my desire to see the autopsy photos and my desire to see the photos of the attack site, etc. Anybody got em out there?
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Two pictures i took in Alsaka
You Lucky Bastard! That's him! That's the Bear that ate Timothy and GalPal!! Just think it was almost YOU! Eeekkk!
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I like to consider myself an amateur expert on the subject. As for the first question - what "did he look like after the bear got to him" - well first, it was 2 maybe 3 bears involved. Now, they found parts of both Tomothy and his girlfriend inside two of the bears. They also found a couple "mounds" of pieces of the corpses that the bears covered up with leaves and brush. One of these mounds was where the rib cage and Timothy's arm with his watch still on was found.
The pilot who was picking them up that morning got there and thought he saw the tarp moving - thinking Timothy was closing up the camp. He yelled out but nobody called back. He walked up the path a bit, and nobody was calling back and the pilot got a bad feeling and walked back over to the plane. He said just as he got to the plane he saw a big grizzly coming down the path after him, where he had just been. Then the police get involved, etc. I think they ended up killing 3 bears - the first bear was protecting the corpses, and the others according to the park rangers were "clearly stalking them" and after unsuccesfully trying to scare the bears off were wasted with a hail of bullets.
So, if you want to know what Timothy and his girlfriend looked like, just look at pictures of deer or other larger animals killed by bear. They kill them, eat some, cover it up with brush and leaves to save for later.....
Timothy was clearly INSANE. It's a really a shame.
As for the audio - the mother of either Timothy or his girlfriend owns it, and is not releasing it. Authorities have listened to it, and it's supposed to be horrible. You hear the gf say "is it STILL out there?" and then a few minutes later Timothy is heard saying "hel me! i'm getting killed out here!" and then lots of crazy shit. Eventually the woman tries whacking it with frying pan...but somehow she ends up toast too.
This all happened because 2) Timothy was INSANE/psychotic b) he had no right to be there, knew nothing about animals or bears (numerous tickets for him leaving food in his tent shit like that, plus he was almost eaten a few other times), c) the bears that killed him he had never come across. The bears he had spent every season with for 13 years had already gone into hibernation - the bears that killed Timothy and his gf had probably never seen a human before.
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Thanks, learned some new facts for my TTreadwell library o facts there. More than one bear? I hadn't heard that.
The description of the audio is the best that I've heard as well. If you have any more details, I would like to hear them. I can't believe Timothy wanted her to come help him, although, I guess naturally one would scream "Help me" if a bear was gnawing on ya.
I never really noticed the ribcage shot in the overhead chopper shots of the attack site, but now that it was mentioned, I do believe I remember seeing a shot of that. I would like to see the rest of it as well. Surely the police/whomever took photos. Isn't there public access somewhere to these things. I searched around but my skilz at computer not too great.
Thanks for the interesting reply. h^20!
The description of the audio is the best that I've heard as well. If you have any more details, I would like to hear them. I can't believe Timothy wanted her to come help him, although, I guess naturally one would scream "Help me" if a bear was gnawing on ya.
I never really noticed the ribcage shot in the overhead chopper shots of the attack site, but now that it was mentioned, I do believe I remember seeing a shot of that. I would like to see the rest of it as well. Surely the police/whomever took photos. Isn't there public access somewhere to these things. I searched around but my skilz at computer not too great.
Thanks for the interesting reply. h^20!
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also, no you can't bring firearms into that park. None at all. Just bear spray. Doesn't say anyhting about knives. You can strap a knife to a nice stick and have yourself a nasty spear. That would be my plan - each person carries two spears and a really sharp hatchet.
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guess I would just have to pass that park up if I can't have some guns, I don't wanna go around them Grizz! I miss Timmy's videos of them though. They were excellent.
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ps can someone post the link to the aierial photos which show the scene? I'm googling the fuck out of it with no luck.
I always bring a fire arm into the park, but that is a different story for me than most people. I have been handling guns since I was 7. I am very experienced in saftey and am a very good shot. I also know about proper ammo, and guns for different situations. I also have been a backpacker since a child. The rules are
dont use it unless you are going to die otherwise.
Dont fire at anything that is farther away than 10 feet if you have to use it. You cant afford to have a stray bullet go anywhere in a national park.
Dont bring high velocity Full Metal Jacket rounds that ricochet, or go though stuff.
Dont let anyone see it.
Dont talk about it.
I use the last 2 rules for my weed 2.
dont use it unless you are going to die otherwise.
Dont fire at anything that is farther away than 10 feet if you have to use it. You cant afford to have a stray bullet go anywhere in a national park.
Dont bring high velocity Full Metal Jacket rounds that ricochet, or go though stuff.
Dont let anyone see it.
Dont talk about it.
I use the last 2 rules for my weed 2.
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yeah but dont they have authority to search people to make sure no firearms enter the park? I mean they can fine you for keeping ur tent in the same spot. Also, I bet even if you had to use a pistol to save yourself from being eaten - you'd face federal firearms charges for having and discharging a firearm in the park. Plus, I bet a few bears are tagged and they keep tabs on who's in the park and where - so if they stumble upon a bear with a dude's shorts in its teeth and bullet in its head they'll go looking for anyone in the area and probably have the authority to detain and totally search you. Either it sucks. I say go with the spear idea.
treadwell died near brooks camp in katmai NP.
a cpl things...alaska just passed a new law allowing firearms in national parks if your a concealed permit holder.
also it is illegal to fly in AK w/out a firearm (im talking about private planes...not commercial planes)...i dont know the rules on commercial planes.
a cpl things...alaska just passed a new law allowing firearms in national parks if your a concealed permit holder.
also it is illegal to fly in AK w/out a firearm (im talking about private planes...not commercial planes)...i dont know the rules on commercial planes.
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hehehe....."now boarding Air Alaska to Anchorage" - hey i can bring this pistol on the plane right?
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OK, illegal to fly in private planes without guns! My kind of place! Yippie! North to Alaska! I would like that kind of attitude. "Where's your gun? Don't have one? Gonna have to ground this plane. You better get to the Gun Store if you wanna fly today! " AND, I get to take my arsenal into the park with my concealed permit...cool. Watch out bars! You won't et me!
I think that conditioning Grizzlies to the presence of humans, is gonna get the bears in trouble. I can see em running up to people, going...Is that You Timothy? (of course I'm joking, as they could smell ya a mile away and tell who you are)
I think that conditioning Grizzlies to the presence of humans, is gonna get the bears in trouble. I can see em running up to people, going...Is that You Timothy? (of course I'm joking, as they could smell ya a mile away and tell who you are)
You'll have wished you'd of packed one if your plane goes down in Grizzly territory.
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