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Thoughts On Hydroponics and RDWC Systems

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ddftre

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Cyat if you had to redo everything, what size tubs would you use for veg and bud. Lowes has the 17 gal and 27 gal tubs on sale right now. I am trying to figure out if i should get the 17 gal for veg and bud, I want to do a perpetual grow, when bud is done all i have to do is put the vegged plant in. Do you think I should get the 27 gal for a rez.

I already have a danner 12 pump. Is your danner 18 pump big enough for your 4 plants in bud, if yes how many do you think it could run..

thanks
 
cyat

cyat

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Ddftre,
I think 17 for veg and 27 for rezs and flower tubs.
My 1800 pump could do about 6 tubs. Use buckets in the tubs so you can drop em in the the flower room.
 
gr33nie

gr33nie

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Back to thoughts about adding more DO into the system - what about plumbing the return line above the water line in the main rez?

Presumably, this would, again, add more DO through another waterfall? So, in the rez - waterfall 1 is the bypass fitted at the output from the pump when the nute solution is pumped to the plant tanks, and waterfall 2 is when the solution comes back to the main rez.....

It's just a thought I had....but I don't see BL or Heath doing it and was wondering why not? Or have I missed something? It seems like such an easy way to add more DO...
 
cyat

cyat

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Probably not done cause its not needed. I have a waterfall in every bucket and one in the res in the form of a tee, check my avatar. One thing I'm messin with is 35% peroxide. It breaks down organic material so it wont rob the d.o. and it supposedly adds d.o too.
good luck greenie
 
gr33nie

gr33nie

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cyat said:
Probably not done cause its not needed. I have a waterfall in every bucket and one in the res in the form of a tee, check my avatar. One thing I'm messin with is 35% peroxide. It breaks down organic material so it wont rob the d.o. and it supposedly adds d.o too.
good luck greenie
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Overkill is underrated! Imma try it.
 
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MediMary

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well I don't know how or who, but apparently UCmenow got shit canned from here..
If someone in this thread had something to do with that, FUCK YEAH!! High Five!!!

Dipshit came at me this morning over at another site, and fucking slams the icmag folks too... fuck that little bitch..
 

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DHF

UCME`s not worth the sweat off yer balls Bro.....Banned from where ......Here or the Farm......

Medi......PLEASE take everything Doubled`s is pissin bout 10 lb plants with a grain of salt .......especially his so called vegtime with his indica dominant bitches that don`t get over 4' tall and 4 lbs " according to his gospel".........

Now he`s claimin his personal best is 5 lbs 7-9 ozs.......outta nowhere.......the rest of the plants were nowhere close , but this 1 particular plant just so happened to out do Heath`s last thread here in a LONG while......

Not rocket science.....EGO.......Where`s his 450K payment from retailers that bought his so-called yield machine setup that kills more plants than finishes em.......Not on the shelves right ?.....

That`s where Undercurrents took over when DD`s went missin...Now he`s back and sellin........

I`ve grown big plants for many yrs , and Krusty grew warehouses FULL of plants that had colas the size of DD`s and BIGGER , so again........Everything with a grain of salt since Krusty`s never got over 3 1/2 lbs , 6-7' tall and 5' wide with a indica hybrid.....

Believe this.......there`s nothin new under the sun , much less DD`s thoughts on bigger bottom containers for bigger rootmass causing bigger yields , as in his comparison to why his G-13 yielded so much more than the Bubba`s in the same setup.......

My take on that is NOBODY`s run that so-called G-13 he supposedly obtained from Amsterdam and yields insanely , but BUNCHA folks have grown BUBBA and KNOW it don`t yield fer shit without OUTRAGEOUS vegtimes , so I rest my case.......

Sure.......Bigger bottom containers work.........Butchas gotta tell the TRUTH about how long it took ta get said rootmass to said size for said yields in the end........

I could`ve grown a 10 lb plant in my krusty bucket rooms......1 in a 10 x 10..........How long would it`ve taken me ?...too long for my rotations....that`s where Doubled`s is bullshittin....I was born at night........just not LAST night......

Look at his day 22 pics where the plants are all but touchin...and he`s callin these potential 10 lber`s because of his magical system ?.......Please......

He`s out there marketing again cuz his setup`s not on the shelf yet and he`s lookin for new investors since the first deal evidently took a shit.......

Peace.......DHF.......:ying:......
 
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MediMary

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well damn We both got banned from that other site, LOL
I mean I honestly don't know how he could get ten pounds, when his other runs all the plants had 4 lights illuminating them and the plants hit 4, this run same four lights the plants are going to hit ten? with the same veg time :)




how are you doing this evening..Guess im going to start a grow log over here.. Ill upload a couple pictures here in a bit:)
 
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gardenbug

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Not sure how I missed this thread so far.
I run 5 gallon buckets with 1/4 feed and 3/4 drain on a 1200gph pump. I find this fine for 3ft tall plants. Once you get much bigger it's just not enough flow or space for roots. Next time I would go bigger containers, bigger feed, bigger and more drains.
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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RDWC is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets in a 6 bullet chamber.

The reality of growing the best mj in the shortest period of time is to feed your plants no more and no less than they need. The most efficient method comes from NASA, and it is High Pressure Aeroponics (HPA).

The most efficient roots are roots that hang in air and are fed a tiny amount of atomized nutrients (very fine mist) in very short intervals (less than one second feed and less than one minute dry intervals). The farther from that you stray, the lower the yield and quality of the bud, and the greater the potential for deficiencies.

Now RDCW enthusiasts will jump up and down and tell you how great their yield is and that they do not have issues. I have experienced the issues/problems. I couldn't run from this RDWC fast enough
 
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gardenbug

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PetFlora said:
RDWC is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets in a 6 bullet chamber.

The reality of growing the best mj in the shortest period of time is to feed your plants no more and no less than they need. The most efficient method comes from NASA, and it is High Pressure Aeroponics (HPA).

The most efficient roots are roots that hang in air and are fed a tiny amount of atomized nutrients (very fine mist) in very short intervals (less than one second feed and less than one minute dry intervals). The farther from that you stray, the lower the yield and quality of the bud, and the greater the potential for deficiencies.

Now RDCW enthusiasts will jump up and down and tell you how great their yield is and that they do not have issues. I have experienced the issues/problems. I couldn't run from this RDWC fast enough
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RDWC is much easier to setup and maintain than a true aero setup.
After doing RDWC for awhile I'm giving coco a try. It seems even easier. RDWC has good growth and stability most of the time. Every now and then things just go bad for no apparent reason. I've had roots die off and start to rot when I had changed nothing. Things that gave me issues so far: too cold water (under 60), too warm water (over 70), too much h202 added, raised water level caused some roots to rot (might have been roots used to being in the air?), too much air bubbles thrashed the roots and some died. In all cases the dead roots stayed dead but the plant quickly started regenerating new roots. This caused leafs to be consumed for their energy and to die. In veg it ends up being no problem just adds time, in flower it causes loss of yield. I've also had runs where it went absolutely perfect, only checked on them a few times a week with no problems the entire grow. Sometimes things just go bad and it is confusing as to why.
 
Sam the Caveman

Sam the Caveman

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My thoughts on hydroponic and rdwc systems are that they are fun to play with and see the potential for how fast plants can grow, but their reliability for delivering a crop is at best questionable.

For reliability, I prefer soil with a healthy herd of beneficial micro-organisms. It is also very simple using water only amended mixes, and if you get a compost tumbler to mix up the soil, ti makes it a lot easier.
 
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MediMary

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PetFlora said:
RDWC is like playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets in a 6 bullet chamber.

The reality of growing the best mj in the shortest period of time is to feed your plants no more and no less than they need. The most efficient method comes from NASA, and it is High Pressure Aeroponics (HPA).

The most efficient roots are roots that hang in air and are fed a tiny amount of atomized nutrients (very fine mist) in very short intervals (less than one second feed and less than one minute dry intervals). The farther from that you stray, the lower the yield and quality of the bud, and the greater the potential for deficiencies.

Now RDCW enthusiasts will jump up and down and tell you how great their yield is and that they do not have issues. I have experienced the issues/problems. I couldn't run from this RDWC fast enough
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I like HPA, but not many people doing it, or doing it correctly..Lots of folks doing variable pressure aero... but HPA .. pretty few and far between, at least in my experience, Im generally surfing the dwc sections... I do follow a few HPA conversations, but nobody can ever agree.

gardenbug said:
RDWC is much easier to setup and maintain than a true aero setup.
After doing RDWC for awhile I'm giving coco a try. It seems even easier. RDWC has good growth and stability most of the time. Every now and then things just go bad for no apparent reason. I've had roots die off and start to rot when I had changed nothing. Things that gave me issues so far: too cold water (under 60), too warm water (over 70), too much h202 added, raised water level caused some roots to rot (might have been roots used to being in the air?), too much air bubbles thrashed the roots and some died. In all cases the dead roots stayed dead but the plant quickly started regenerating new roots. This caused leafs to be consumed for their energy and to die. In veg it ends up being no problem just adds time, in flower it causes loss of yield. I've also had runs where it went absolutely perfect, only checked on them a few times a week with no problems the entire grow. Sometimes things just go bad and it is confusing as to why.
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chosen

chosen

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Hydroponics isn't questionable for delivering reliable results. Experience is what delivers reliable results!!!
 
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tjo

life gardener
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rdwc rocks..i dont know shit about aeroponics but after the experience with this method, my interest is how can upgrade my
sustems based in the same idea..
im doing rdwc 2 years now with great success,less maintenance
and no fear if a loose my plants...

cheers:smoker:
 
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