Thoughts On Hydroponics and RDWC Systems

[MediMary]

Saw yas at the farm talkin bout Heathie`s higher flow setup today using 5 times as much flow with smaller pipe compared to how slow UC`s and DEFINITELY mpb`s get "clogged" once rootmass consumes the bottom containers and stretch is over after the flip ,then no more roots are being produced while minimum juice flow is available at best with ZERO dissolved oxygen flowing through rootzones at a snail pace.......

THAT`S where the system`s flawed cuz it does NOT blast juice through the rootzones like we did way back in the day.........

On your side my buddy...DHF.........

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[MediMary]

Ok I am lost, what is different about MPBS and Heaths system.
I thought mpbs had lots of water moving around, way confused my friend, thanks for your insight as always

 

[MediMary]

Here is some pictures of DD's mpbs,




to my untrained eye they look exactly like heaths systems.

This picture is why I think heath didnt have much problems with clogging, it looks like the upper bucket keeps the roots from growing up into the drain. You can see the water level, but the root level is much lower.

 

[DHF]

Was trying to edit through my proxy Medi..........shit didn`t work......

Sorry.....Freds........

 

[MediMary]

LOL u lost me

 

[DHF]

Hey Medi....you might have something on overflow bein lil higher with Heathies setup , but not sure.......

Although Doubled`s tried to copy the fast/high flow setup of Heathie`s , it was told to him waaaay back when at HG to not make things more complex/complicated than they needed to be , for fear of all those extra nooks and crannies shit can form in with all the extra bells and whistles involved in his perception of the beast he created for big plants ......

The more I read about UC`s and beneficial additives to prevent root born pathogens in said system , just makes me more convinced that too much can be and usually is.........too much.....especially without highly oxygenated fast moving juice.....

Just my take on all these explanations and treatments for rootzone management that was never needed till last couple yrs with these so-called "new systems"......Nothin new under the sun.....only solutions chasin problems from what I`ve seen.......

Folks been runnin hydro veggie setups for 30 yrs without total crop failure.........what makes growin dope so hard in same type setups ..?........Growers........

Heaven forbid at all the folks makin bank off these setups and sellin cures for the woes......Hydro whores......

Give me DTW coco and blumat "maxi`s" for the most bulletproof setup I`ve seen in way many yrs for big plants......

Harvey means everything in my book........bottom line....anything less is just that.......less....crop failure is not an option when bills gotta be paid.....

My 2 cents........DHF.........

 

[MediMary]

So I measured the temps from the air being pushed out of these air pumps, the alita 40 puts out air at 99 degrees when the ambient air in the room is only 72 degrees.

 

[MediMary]

Thank you DHF for everything you shared with me, I have learned so much man,

 

[DHF]

Hey Bro........I just tryta help folks keep from makin mistakes us old heads went through way back during krusty buckets days with only 1-1/2" of juice in the bottom buckets at all times , much less RDWC with the bottom containers slap full of juice where things can go downhill waaaaay faster...........

That POS UCMENOW`s got all the answers according to what he`s been told or read evidently by UC technical support , cuz it looks like he`s readin from a manuscript when he spews all the technical horsefuck in his posts in between his snide remarks and belittling of good folks and knowledgeable growers he could NEVER measure up to IMO , but I assure you.....

I know what the fuck I`m talkin bout , and have seen firsthand all those issues waaay back before that asshole ever busted a bean........

Proof`s in the pudding bout air pumps and regenerative blowers we usedta use pumpin heat STRAIGHT to the rootzones , and folks just don`t understand when I tell em that bottom container temps can vary GREATLY from rez temps due to hot bubbles blastin up underneath a bigass rootmass on big plants.....

Thanks for sharing a 27 degree difference from the alita 40 compared to ambient temps .....Now do ya`ll see how bottom container temps can cause total crop failure when rez temps seem to be within normal tolerances of 65-69 ?.......

That and lack of flow once rootmass has filled bottom containers is something that HAS to be addressed for any type of regular harvey with RDWC....

It`s pretty simple , but dialin it`s not .....Holler if I can help...and yeah I saw where the dumbass got shitcanned by UC for showin his ass , but in my opinion he wasn`t dealt with harsh enough.....especially with his comment bout you havin Heath`s member in your mouth due to your truthful and impartial comments........

Whadda dick with ears.......Seems like I saw him post in Heath`s thread several months ago.....Maybe he`ll come back and enlighten us on all the things Heath and us old head`s have been doin wrong all these yrs......All the way to the bank while we were fukin up though huh ?.........

Never lost a crop in my life , and ran the most fickle expensive setup with all the bells and whistles it took for SWC and high maintenance krusty buckets for almost a decade.......

Peace........DHF..........

 

[Ravi Singh]

Lol, that thread did take a turn for the worse, huh?

 

[MediMary]

Shit bro I was in shock when I actually did the test a little later ~~ambient room temp were at 74 degrees the alita 40 is pumping out 101 degree air, FTW.

then I look back at Ucmenows post responding to your comment about the air pump and he says
"Hot air? Maybe with the 1980's air pumps ICMAGGER's use.....bro,"


i wonder what these so called 1980's air pumps were pushing out if ambient temps were 74 degrees, what like 130 degrees from the pump

At first I regretted posting your comments over there, but I am quite happy I did now, nice conversation it has generated which has helped me learn and Im sure a lot of others have learned a lot too.



DHF~ I love yah bro

 

[MediMary]

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[DHF]

Never used an air pump in my life......We went overkill on everydamn thang with krusty buckets.....

Thomas air "compressors" and when they took a shit , I went with sweetwater regenerative blowers.......Talk about hot air runnin 24/7 ........

Alita 40`s babyshit compared to what I ran.....but....back then it was adapt or perish cuz there wasn`t anyone ta tell yas whether you were fukin up , or headed in the right direction , so I did......Got a 1/2 hp "drop-in probe type" Aqualogic chiller that would drop my rez temps 20 degrees if needed , and once bottom container temps were dialed , rez temps hadta stay around 55-57 degrees constant "outside the room" for dialed 68-69 degrees max in my buckets during lights on.......

Lights off , I let temps rise in the rez`s to keep bottom container temps from dropping too far FTW........All about those runs under yer belt.......

Dialage takes time while doin it......You can read till you`re blue in the face , and think you know buncha shit bout growin........

Till you try/do it.....

Ya`ll take care.....DHF.........

 

[MediMary]

I have been growing for awhile, but looking back a couple years ago I thought I knew soo much... LMAO, now I know way more than I ever did a couple years ago and I realize how much more I have to learn, guess when you shut your mouth, open your mind and eyes, you learn a lot more than with your mouth wide open and your eyes and mind shut.

DHF that 27 degree difference is only at the very first reducer too.
that reading isnt including all the extra heat that the resistance of the air having to be pushed through the airstones would add, I bet at each air stone its easily over a 30 degree difference from ambient air temps

 

[DHF]

Medi......I was NOT talkin bout you , it was in general and mostly aimed at all the newbsters with dollar signs in their eyes bout money trees.........

Bro.....bottom container temps have not been stressed enough with DWC setups for many many yrs......but.......for some damn reason folks either kill with it , or experience crop death time after time till they`ve lost their ass , and usually go backta dirt/organics for safety.....

Me ?...everything I did after SWC was a blessing , and my setups practically ran themselves......Went once a week ta check on my ebb and flow bucket flip rooms......

Same with my version of Heath`s racks runnin DTW coco.......just adjusted with more increased plant numbers ta dial the yields I needed outta each room...........

The older yas get , the more you appreciate the "me time" and simplicity of shit bein pretty much maintenance free.......

Peace.....DHF.........

 

[MediMary]

Medi......I was NOT talkin bout you , it was in general and mostly aimed at all the newbsters with dollar signs in their eyes bout money trees.........

Bro.....bottom container temps have not been stressed enough with DWC setups for many many yrs......but.......for some damn reason folks either kill with it , or experience crop death time after time till they`ve lost their ass , and usually go backta dirt/organics for safety.....

Me ?...everything I did after SWC was a blessing , and my setups practically ran themselves......Went once a week ta check on my ebb and flow bucket flip rooms......

Same with my version of Heath`s racks runnin DTW coco.......just adjusted with more increased plant numbers ta dial the yields I needed outta each room...........

The older yas get , the more you appreciate the "me time" and simplicity of shit bein pretty much maintenance free.......

Peace.....DHF.........

I know ~ I was just reading some of my older posts on another forum from three years ago, makes me cringe how one dimensional my thinking was, I see that same one dimensional thinking in others quite a bit these days(but they don't realize how one dimensional their thinking is).

The shutting your mouth and opening your mind and eyes would be a good place for ucme to start and a couple others as well.
I have learned a lot more once I disposed of my preconceived notions, checked my ego at the door, and started looking at things in a more logical manner.

 

[DHF]

Medi....I learned on my own and it was because of my "OCD" I would not fail......

Took a few runs ta get shit kickin , but from that point further , all I hadta to was follow the rules..........Ain`t rocket science , it`s plant science......

There`s folks that grow and fight shit constantly , even after yrs and yrs of tryin........Then there`s folks that get it , and once they dial the strain and environment where they are , it`s katie bar the door......

It`s the little things.......along with an open mind that`s paramount in the concept of what it takes where you are geographically to dial each individual environment for top shelf results.....

Peace.....DHF......

 

[Aerohead]

DHf, I don't want to stray off topic too much but I wanted to pick your brain regarding RH. If you prefer to reply in my 1k vert thread to keep this thread on track I would appreciate your input.

I have my room dialed regarding the grow media, nutes, lighting, ect... But the environment is a little dry. Temps average 76F lights on and 68 lights off, I am blooming at night. RH average 30% lights on and 50% (ambient) lights off. My plants are drinking a ton of water and I suspect low RH as a factor.

I have been following your posts regarding RH being important for a room to truly be dialed and would like to know your exp regarding this. I spent a good deal of time web crawling about RH and the main response I get is that low RH is only a factor if leaves are drying out. My leaves are fine but RH is low, what is your opinion on this?

 

[DHF]

One of the most important things I learned from Krusty way back when , was 70% relative humidity through end of cycle.......but then.....

Folks started screamin bout losin their plants to molds and mildews , so he backed up and said if you don`t have the same environment as me , then drop RH as low as possible with big plants to prevent the airborne nastie`s in late flower.........

I live where RH is a joke.........80-90% yr round , but my plants fukin exploded from it my very first krusty bucket run , so I went with it ya know ?.........but.......

I ran dehuey`s after end of stretch for the last 4 weeks flower 24/7 for peace of mind , and it was all they could do ta bring RH down below 50% , but it was enough and that`s all that mattered.........

It`s all about where you are..........I was lucky......in Hell......A blessing and a curse......

Holler if I can help......DHF.........

 

[Aerohead]

Thanks DHF, that's all I needed to know, plants are kickin so I will roll with it. I was just making sure I wasn't walking blindly into some problems later down the road...
Thanks again