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Who else had the image in their head of smoke coming out of rolandomota's ears?
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Who else had the image in their head of smoke coming out of rolandomota's ears?
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Go read about my technique of vaping with a whip on a hybrid volcano. One terp-rich hit, and my lungs feel like I washed them out with a strong solvent, and they shine inside. SPO2 goes up also.
I only use organic flower, avoiding chemicals.
I also had a chronic cough that was caused by my throat being irritated. In my case it was sinus drainage, but smoke/vapor can also irritate the throat and cause a cough. Barlow Herbal throat spray is the best thing I have found, and I buy it by the case.
This method doesn't work fully for me but it helps to cough less if I fill my lungs half way after the full breath hold and full exhale. Half full lungs for me because I have lots of extra phlegm in my lungs I guess it's to dissolve the tar from smoking all day.
This reminds me of another method we mostly don't use to smoke and I'm flying man after a walk with the pooch I came and took some hits of @oldproseeds on Instagram.... Short bush haze it's skunk x original haze and man I'm lit pretty good you hold the smoke in your mouth and inhale through your nose we always take mouth hits don't do it here.
Take that puff but keep it in your mouth do not inhale through your mouth inhale Through your nose if you can of course those stuffy noses are a pain sometimes
This reminds me of another method we mostly don't use to smoke and I'm flying man after a walk with the pooch I came and took some hits of @oldproseeds on Instagram.... Short bush haze it's skunk x original haze and man I'm lit pretty good you hold the smoke in your mouth and inhale through your nose we always take mouth hits don't do it here.
Take that puff but keep it in your mouth do not inhale through your mouth inhale Through your nose if you can of course those stuffy noses are a pain sometimes
activating cellular mechanisms that effect Enzymes that bio-degrade lipids are the oxygen increases ... metabolizing lipids requires some oxygen too to make an effective enzyme .. cyclooxygenase is one pathway and also lipoxygenase ...
forgot to mention , phytocannabinoids are bronchodilators as well , acting on that extra lipid metabolism and other means of dilation like relaxing the airways ETC.....
also - for this thread ... it is called Ghosting a Hit ... or re-breathing ... it is best done with vaporizing and not smoke .. you can ghost a vapor hit way better than smoke and is way more ;pleasant to do so .
how I hit my vape ... take a sec and breath in a good amount of air and then exhale that air then intake the vapor immediately and inhale as deep as possible ... hold for a few secs then start to exhale ... when I see visible Vapor rebreath back in and hold a sec then do the same thing ... I rebreath a hit a few times to increase the amount oxygen available to help break all that information down into lipid signaling
after a hit ther is a certain amount of oxygen in there with it and a certain amount of time that your airways can absorb ... after a few seconds your airways will not absorb anymore and needs newly aquired oxygen to allow more absorption ... most people with huge hits waste so much on the exhaust because only the outer edges get absorbed where the smoke or vapor touches teh airways ... the rest just bounces around in there until you exhale and waste it
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Barlow Herbal throat spray is the best thing I have found, and I buy it by the case.
I don't know what that stuff you are inhaling on a wholesale basis, but it's not a cure, it's just temporary and artificial...that's not living right. Take control of your body and do something that works at fixing the problem not just the symptoms for 30 minutes sheeesh! If smoking makes you cough buy a dry herb vape so you won't cough anymore and your chronically irritated airways can heal.
if you are full of phlegm don't keep using sprays or whatever, try swimming everyday and your sinuses will clear up and after a week or so you will breathe better...naturally,
any coughing is nature's way of saying "Hey dickhead, stop smoking"
I don't know what that stuff you are inhaling on a wholesale basis, but it's not a cure, it's just temporary and artificial...that's not living right. Take control of your body and do something that works at fixing the problem not just the symptoms for 30 minutes sheeesh! If smoking makes you cough buy a dry herb vape so you won't cough anymore and your chronically irritated airways can heal.
if you are full of phlegm don't keep using sprays or whatever, try swimming everyday and your sinuses will clear up and after a week or so you will breathe better...naturally,
any coughing is nature's way of saying "Hey dickhead, stop smoking"
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also - for this thread ... it is called Ghosting a Hit ... or re-breathing ... it is best done with vaporizing and not smoke .. you can ghost a vapor hit way better than smoke and is way more ;pleasant to do so .
how I hit my vape ... take a sec and breath in a good amount of air and then exhale that air then intake the vapor immediately and inhale as deep as possible ... hold for a few secs then start to exhale ... when I see visible Vapor rebreath back in and hold a sec then do the same thing ... I rebreath a hit a few times to increase the amount oxygen available to help break all that information down into lipid signaling
I've done that re-breathing technique with vape and smoke...but did it made me higher? I didn't notice any difference (with all things being equal..meaning that the smoke or vapor was held in the lungs for the same duration when single inhaling and also when re-breathing)
anyway, maybe start a thread about that if you feel like it, this thread is about a specific technique to help prevent coughing not about techniques that may increase THC absorption or those who have underlying chronic medical conditions that cause coughing.
I have to ask this again - when was the last time you gave a joint to a first time smoker and they didn't cough hard? I've done it with this method dozens of times. I've also had people who had tried smoking once or twice before but immediately coughed their guts out so hard they didn't get high and were scared to ever try smoking again but after 30 seconds of instruction were able to take a nice hit and not cough...and get high for the first time!
how I hit my vape ... take a sec and breath in a good amount of air and then exhale that air then intake the vapor immediately and inhale as deep as possible ... hold for a few secs then start to exhale ... when I see visible Vapor rebreath back in and hold a sec then do the same thing ... I rebreath a hit a few times to increase the amount oxygen available to help break all that information down into lipid signaling
I've done that re-breathing technique with vape and smoke...but did it made me higher? I didn't notice any difference (with all things being equal..meaning that the smoke or vapor was held in the lungs for the same duration when single inhaling and also when re-breathing)
anyway, maybe start a thread about that if you feel like it, this thread is about a specific technique to help prevent coughing not about techniques that may increase THC absorption or those who have underlying chronic medical conditions that cause coughing.
I have to ask this again - when was the last time you gave a joint to a first time smoker and they didn't cough hard? I've done it with this method dozens of times. I've also had people who had tried smoking once or twice before but immediately coughed their guts out so hard they didn't get high and were scared to ever try smoking again but after 30 seconds of instruction were able to take a nice hit and not cough...and get high for the first time!
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exactly!
my method to use a vape is very similar to the method you posted to reduce coughing , the breath out first part anyway ... and too, re-breathing providers more of a high because you are oxygenating more lipids that metabolize into lipid signaling ( the high) ... simple as that
White Beard
Active member
Trivial, for sure, but not useful: cannabis was declared illegal because forces in the federal government WANTED IT ILLEGAL.
Surprise, surprise, they got their wish. As trivial, but more useful, is the fact that the AMA argued vigorously against prohibition, but were ignored.
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cannabis was declared illegal because forces in the federal government WANTED IT ILLEGAL
cannabis was declared illegal because forces in the federal government (were paid to say they) WANTED IT ILLEGAL
corporations own the US government and just about every other government....sad but true.
cannabis was declared illegal because forces in the federal government (were paid to say they) WANTED IT ILLEGAL
corporations own the US government and just about every other government....sad but true.
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
Thanks, this is greatly appreciated. I'll have to try this the next time I smoke dirty cannabis. I grow with filtered air, filtered water and use very clean nutrients, and nobody coughs from my cannabis unless they get greedy.
p.s. The "smoke" (mostly vaped oils) from cleanly grown, trichome dense cannabis is very difficult to 'feel' in your lungs at all.
I politely disagree.
From GW's website:
https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/8-essential-oil-safety/sweet-mary-s-charms
<If you put three of these isoprenes together, you have a sesquiterpene. Sesqui means one and one half. The anthocyanin plant pigments, which are also glycosides, flavonoids, and triglycerides are C-15 and water soluble plant sugars.
They not only add color to an essential oil, but are also glycosides, or plant sugars and flavonoids. Some of the color in cannabis essential oil comes from the plant pigments, and plant sugars caramelize when heated, turning darker. Both add to harshness when vaporized. >
My experience in refining my vape technique over several years to avoid harshness, is that as the material starts to turn a darker shade of green, stop. Any more than that is when the compounds that really aggravate my lungs, causing coughing and subsequent lung pain, are released. I think he has them nailed, although C-15 seems lower than the C-21 actives and way lower than C-55. and the vapor pressure is not a switch function where it all of a sudden is released.
I get some of the actives, but most are heavier chain compounds that only heated and softened, and are still in the ABV when I dump it.
The lighter terps seem to have broken up all the old thick oils that were trapped in my lungs. They feel like somebody scrubbed them with Pinesol and acetone, as they expanded them with pressure to open all the openings. My SPO2 goes to 99 when I do this. I got the meter in Feb for WuFlu, and started doing the whip around the same time. My SPO2 used to be 92ish last winter at the doc, and has climbed since.
Coughing? I used to think it was the thick heavy oils, then I thought chlorophyll. That paper from GWs lair says chlorophyll is C55, and I don't heat the material enough to get that hot. Now I dunno what to think, because I don't have the equipment, and nobody has studied this. All I know is something is working.
Pharma sure as hell doesn't want this little secret to get out. Symbacort inhalers are $400 retail. I have 8 that I won't need - anybody want some?
From GW's website:
https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/8-essential-oil-safety/sweet-mary-s-charms
<If you put three of these isoprenes together, you have a sesquiterpene. Sesqui means one and one half. The anthocyanin plant pigments, which are also glycosides, flavonoids, and triglycerides are C-15 and water soluble plant sugars.
They not only add color to an essential oil, but are also glycosides, or plant sugars and flavonoids. Some of the color in cannabis essential oil comes from the plant pigments, and plant sugars caramelize when heated, turning darker. Both add to harshness when vaporized. >
My experience in refining my vape technique over several years to avoid harshness, is that as the material starts to turn a darker shade of green, stop. Any more than that is when the compounds that really aggravate my lungs, causing coughing and subsequent lung pain, are released. I think he has them nailed, although C-15 seems lower than the C-21 actives and way lower than C-55. and the vapor pressure is not a switch function where it all of a sudden is released.
I get some of the actives, but most are heavier chain compounds that only heated and softened, and are still in the ABV when I dump it.
The lighter terps seem to have broken up all the old thick oils that were trapped in my lungs. They feel like somebody scrubbed them with Pinesol and acetone, as they expanded them with pressure to open all the openings. My SPO2 goes to 99 when I do this. I got the meter in Feb for WuFlu, and started doing the whip around the same time. My SPO2 used to be 92ish last winter at the doc, and has climbed since.
Coughing? I used to think it was the thick heavy oils, then I thought chlorophyll. That paper from GWs lair says chlorophyll is C55, and I don't heat the material enough to get that hot. Now I dunno what to think, because I don't have the equipment, and nobody has studied this. All I know is something is working.
Pharma sure as hell doesn't want this little secret to get out. Symbacort inhalers are $400 retail. I have 8 that I won't need - anybody want some?
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White Beard
Active member
Pierre DuPont, William Hearst, yes...I accept the correction: *paid agents of wealth* in government worked to make it illegal.
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Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
Indeed they do, but not to the point it causes coughing. I'm not saying there aren't terpene profiles which will tend to trigger coughing, I'm saying the world is used to unclean cannabis.
Unused nutes cause more harshness than I've found from cannabinoids/terpenes. Growing in unfiltered air will make me cough when smoking the flowers. DE and perlite dust make me cough, and you'll find those in a great number of grow rooms.
Smoking truly clean cannabis is like inhaling strongly flavored and scented air. There is no feeling of hot smoke going into your lungs. There is no cough trigger unless you take a massive hit and coat your lungs with oil. The exhale tastes and smells almost the same as the inhale, even when it's the last hit in the bowl.
A few people have figured it out already and know what I'm talking about. I've only been describing clean cannabis for 10+ years and a few growers have converted. The future is getting brighter every day.
Maybe for you, but something triggers a cough with me. And it isn't really strain dependant.
Hell, I am scared to smoke anymore, and I am dying for a sticky oily reefer.
My guy claims he uses no nasty chems, and I have to take him at his word until I can get up on the hill and see for myself. Someday. Hopefully soon.
Hell, I am scared to smoke anymore, and I am dying for a sticky oily reefer.
My guy claims he uses no nasty chems, and I have to take him at his word until I can get up on the hill and see for myself. Someday. Hopefully soon.
Mouth a hit, add air and inhale.
Likely will go through more bud, but this method is sound, and we all got lots of bud.
If you smoke cigars, the idea is to draw without an inhale,
mouth the draw, but with cannabis, add a little air inhale,
and boom, no cough.
Just like sipping a fine wine, there is a method involved.
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Just like sipping a fine wine
Good advice, I've also used a ratio of approximately 50-50/smoke-fresh air with lots of commercial weed and it works to prevent or lessen coughing
For those who haven't tried the inhale air combined with smoke technique try this - delicately "sip" (inhale) the jay or pipe by not 100% sealing the mouthpiece with your lips..just leave a fine gap to allow fresh air in with the smoke as you inhale...like sipping a hot drink
It's easy to master, this comes naturally to most people. For those who are new to smoking, watch the glow of the jay or pipe to know when to reduce or stop inhaling..control the glow and you will get higher and you will waste less. ..do this the same way you mastered the accelerator pedal in a car..gradually ease off the power or you might crash or cough!
The best way to smoke a joint is to draw the smoke with medium force then gradually lessen the inhale down to nothing as the glowing red embers fade to grey. This will prevent wasting a significant amount of THC that would just billow away between hits. if you hit a jay hard so it's glowing hot then immediately remove it from your lips ...the wastage is a small but significant % of THC every time you smoke.
Good advice, I've also used a ratio of approximately 50-50/smoke-fresh air with lots of commercial weed and it works to prevent or lessen coughing
For those who haven't tried the inhale air combined with smoke technique try this - delicately "sip" (inhale) the jay or pipe by not 100% sealing the mouthpiece with your lips..just leave a fine gap to allow fresh air in with the smoke as you inhale...like sipping a hot drink
It's easy to master, this comes naturally to most people. For those who are new to smoking, watch the glow of the jay or pipe to know when to reduce or stop inhaling..control the glow and you will get higher and you will waste less. ..do this the same way you mastered the accelerator pedal in a car..gradually ease off the power or you might crash or cough!
The best way to smoke a joint is to draw the smoke with medium force then gradually lessen the inhale down to nothing as the glowing red embers fade to grey. This will prevent wasting a significant amount of THC that would just billow away between hits. if you hit a jay hard so it's glowing hot then immediately remove it from your lips ...the wastage is a small but significant % of THC every time you smoke.
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It was a fantastic afternoon yesterday, and I was reading a book about the hash in Lebanon in 1980. Had to squish up some Royal wedding and make a oily reefer to enjoy that front porch serenity.
Yeah, mouthing is just a natural instinct. The smoke cools in your mouth, makes you happy with the taste, and as it goes down it gets carbureted. My lungs felt heavy after only 1/2 of the reefer.
I guess my stuff is just worn out and needs to be used easily.
