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[dank.frank]

NOW THAT...I did not know. Greyskull I KNEW Sour Dubb...people are just starting to hear about that one...but I was in the dark on Grom...lol...

Thanks for the info Joesy...we should talk more!


dank.Frank

 

[vangaurd]

Help a noob to this site out lol what is the server fund?

 

[merlot]

It's where people send in seeds to Seedbay to help pay for the ICMag servers. This is where you find ALOT of good seeds from people that have made their own crosses/ F2s etc.

Can be found here:
http://seedbay.com/index.php?a=19

 

[nameless]

this thread is tearing ass marlo you have everyones attention (including mine) i cant wait till you start blowing the doors off this thing

 

[Marlo]

... cant wait till you start blowing the doors off this thing

Here they are @ 5 days in. Looks like I might have timed the flip right. Getting close to the top. Lots of trimming of lil baby branches to be done. Trying to keep the larf to a minimum. Probably 100 lil anchors in there already... adding more daily.
The next 2 weeks are gonna be a good amount of work.....

You can see how close the light gets to some of the branches with no heat issues at all. Nice.

I took the DSD from seed that was in the center of the room out for this picture. I'm almost positive its a girl, but it still has not shown me a pistil. I'd be really happy if it turned out to be a male.

 

[dank.frank]

Seems to be working thus far...

Keep it up, Marlo...lovely indeed!


dank.Frank

 

[merlot]

Hell yeah man, can't wait to see them fill in!! Definitely look like they are going to fill in the whole screen

 

[GrowForIt]

Don't know why but when I seen that pic the first thing that popped in my head was "wow that's some major creeper"

Looking very good in there, how long have you been using those air pots?

 

[Grizz]

wanting to see what they look like after you trim the small barnches,

 

[Marlo]

Seems to be working thus far...

This is too easy Frank. I really like the idea of using straight water. No ph'n, mixing, measuring, yadda...yadda..yadda... I'm hoping this turns out great, because I don't want to go back to bottled nutes. This is definitely the way to do it!

Definitely look like they are going to fill in the whole screen

with at least 2 more weeks of stretch to go for most of these plants, I don't think filling in will be a problem. Filling in too much might be a problem around the mid sections tho. That's where they'll be thinned out.

..... how long have you been using those air pots?

This is my 2nd run with em. I didn't give the 3.4 gal's enough veg last time, but the 1.5 gals did VERY well. I like them much more than the smart pots. I've only grown 1 plant in a smart pot tho.

wanting to see what they look like after you trim the small barnches,

I've been taking alot of the skinny baby branches off little by little. A few snips everyday, mostly from the inner bushy part, and the very bottom of the plants. The top 1/4 of the canopy usually doesn't require trimming... I try to keep everyone evenly spread out by anchoring the branches where I want em. When there is a cluster of branches taking up the same space, the smallest ones get the chop. LARGE fan leaves are slowly being removed also.

So there probably won't be a big difference to be seen in the pics. It happens slowly until they stop stretching. But I'll try to get in there and get some close-ups of the wall to see what stays vs what goes.

 

[Grizz]

this is vertical scrogg 101. im studing hard

 

[dank.frank]

Trust me Joesy. Same here. I want one of those 1.3-5 gpw runs...

I've honestly got to admit. I've got a few BKGK 5g around a vert 1k right now...the newb system. hehehe. BUT...I honestly don't think I like it...UNLESS there was more than one vertical bulb. TO ME...at this point and time, it seems like a vert plant yields the same as a horizontal plant...the difference being where you lose the extra plant matter. On a vert, it is on the side away from the light...you can effectively shave off all the plant matter that ISN'T light side...on a horizontal, you take off the lower parts as the light isn't penetrating the canopy...

But I KNOW this is a very inaccurate assessment. I mean, common sense says a vert WILL yield more, it is a more efficient use of the bulb. (in theory) Gonna have to sit back wait and see...another 5-6wks to go...


dank.Frank

 

[Green 4 Good]

it seems like a vert plant yields the same as a horizontal plant...the difference being where you lose the extra plant matter. On a vert, it is on the side away from the light...you can effectively shave off all the plant matter that ISN'T light side...on a horizontal, you take off the lower parts as the light isn't penetrating the canopy...


dank.Frank

I'm trying to figure this out too. Seems to me there isn't much "side away from the light" with a vertical grow. This must be where the extra yield comes from. It's like a scrog grow flipped vertically, but better.

Nice setup Marlo. Keep dialing in the simplicity. That's where it's at!

 

[Marlo]

this is vertical scrogg 101. im studing hard

Vert scrog is fun....when I do it right. Wasnt always fun, lol
These pics here are before I had shit under control. I learned a whole lot from this grow.....

....... TO ME...at this point and time, it seems like a vert plant yields the same as a horizontal plant...the difference being where you lose the extra plant matter. On a vert, it is on the side away from the light...you can effectively shave off all the plant matter that ISN'T light side...on a horizontal, you take off the lower parts as the light isn't penetrating the canopy...

You are absolutely right Frank. Lollipoppin in vert is done from front to back, not as much top to bottom. How much you chop off depends on the density of your canopy, and size of your bulbs. But yes, the sides not facing the bulb should be stripped. That's why I grow on the walls...there is no side that doesn't face the light!

.....common sense says a vert WILL yield more, it is a more efficient use of the bulb. (

This is where alot of people get it twisted...and when it doesn't work out, they leave vert. There are no magical yeilds with vert, but just like you said it is a more efficient use of the bulb. When you take all the other variables into consideration, get used to the learning curve, and figure out what style of vert is good for you, its possible to come up with a very productive grow.

Its almost like learning how to grow again. I've been growing vertical for 4 years now, and learn something new every grow..that's why I kept changing shit up. I think this style is the one for me tho. I hope it all works out for you bro.

 

[Marlo]

I'm trying to figure this out too. Seems to me there isn't much "side away from the light" with a vertical grow. This must be where the extra yield comes from. It's like a scrog grow flipped vertically, but better.

Most vert grow's always have a side that doesn't face the light. First try training all the branches to the front....The back of the plants should always be stripped to avoid larf in those areas. Its like the bottom of a horizontal scrog that doesnt get light. No need for any foliage to be there.

Heres an example (from an old grow) so you can see....


FRONT

SIDE

You can see that there is nothing on the back side of the plant. Basically because light cant get there. Vert growers do this without a screen as well, the concept stays the same. The stronger your light the thicker you can leave the canopy before it gets unproductive. I only get a few inches with 400's.



Hey Joesy...

You can see in those pics which fan leaves got chopped. Other than the top 2 buds, there are no fan leaves in there. Only the leaves that are coming right off the buds. Most fan leaves that come off of a stem get chopped sooner or later. (slowly, not all at once).
I was able to keep this plant thin, so I didn't have to chop too many branches. Almost every bud on that screen was either a golf ball, or a marble. no larf.

 

[dank.frank]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Marlo again.

Thanks for holding my hand.


dank.Frank

 

[~Shhh~]

Looking spot on Marlo, I'm glad to see that yours bulbs are so close without any issues. Give me a bit of confidence for my new grow.

 

[Grizz]

yeah marlo the leaves must go, I have always stripped leaves wheather growing vert or horiz, with your scrogg set up there really isent dead spots without light, train those braches into the light where in horizontal there is always lower braches that arent going to get enough light, the neat part of vert is using all the light from all sides of the bulb, your vert screens really make it effeciant.

 

[Tonatiuh]

nice pics bro.nice to see the learning curve.
peace-T-

 

[Marlo]

Question for you guys....

I've been putting alot of thought into upgrading to 2 x 600 in here. And now that the fall temps are starting to come around, I'm thinking about it alot again. I know this is a tiny space, but now that the plants are againt the wall, I've gained a few inches on each side. And the light mover changes alot. The lamps aren't stationary long enough to do any damage to buds that would get close.

So my question is, how much more heat does a 600 add than a 400? And is the difference in yield that much greater?

I'm thinking by the time the stretch is over and all the training is done, the switch could be possible.