The Truth About Photoperiods!
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"if this seed is shaped like this its male.”[nah] - I am not saying that i am saying i would like to look into if male seeds have higher dominance in lower auxin/smaller seedling than in larger seedlings in general ratio wise i think it may be like 60:40 versuse 40:60 it could be 50:50 i am just guessing based on the differences observed in hormonal profiles of male and female cannabis plants. just because a seedling has low auxins doesnt mean its a male, and visa versa. as far as the cotelydons they predict the growth of the plant its been documented and observed in other species as well. its possible one gets damages so you cant observe good results but in general the cotelydons ive observed match predicted plant profiles.
Size factor? what do you mean? if i start a bunch of seedlings in a tray and some have small cotelydons and others big i can see their genetic predisposition at a seedling stage, genetics wise, factors from environement can always change things im just talking about selecting based on genetic predisposition and hormonal profile and how to indentify without instruments just by learning how the hormones express themselves and visual cues.
you said big cotelydons=early small cotelydons =late.
I sometimes get pure haze plants with big cotelydons...still 18 wks
old,old tired hard to germ seed can also have huge cotelydons..
ok enough from me..
all the best..
regardless of if its correct ..very interesting observation and a clever one too.
thank you
The basis of the idea is the environment shapes the hormonal profiles and chemical profiles of plants from that region, everything is interconnected once you look deeper into things the soil is acidic because the area has alot of rainfall, because its has higher temperatures because its closer to equator, ect ect and the minerals in the soil reflect the climate which help those species survive in the same region just like the plants do everything is interconnected.
Wouldn't that mean, if I have a plant under a weak lamp, lets say 20 Watts, and Its on for 18-24 hours, that the plant would still start flowering, since it will not produce high amounts of auxins?
realistically so far ..-->MOSTLY due to photo period
Its more complex than that in that sense the plant would lower auxins and prioritize vegatative growth until it knew it had enough energy to go into flowering, if you take a mature plant grown outdoors and put it under 20watts of light but more light hours i imagine it will start flowering because i knows it doesnt have enough light energy to survive in its current state. there are people with mother plants depending on predisposition where they will flower under stress in 24 hours of light in 7 months where others take 10+ years in 24 hours and dont flower, but any plant with enough time and rootbound the mother will eventually find a way to flower in 24 hours of light even if it takes 30 years.
interesting subject for sure.
I have been (for some time now) playing around with Auxin buildup to promote growth while in veg. I practice outdoors and thats where environment becomes the constant and I become the variable.
I use the simple method of mechanical stress (pinching nodes and breaking cell walls) to create auxin response in other to promote lateral growth.
I interpret the movement of Auxins to go from top meristem to down roots and back up thru the plants branching system. I use the Auxin response to eliminate Apical dominance and lateral branching.
I've had plants recover from serious bending and breaking in 6 hrs (while peak of sunlight), faster than anything I have seen.
I yet to experience Auxins in the flower transition and build up.
I have been (for some time now) playing around with Auxin buildup to promote growth while in veg. I practice outdoors and thats where environment becomes the constant and I become the variable.
I use the simple method of mechanical stress (pinching nodes and breaking cell walls) to create auxin response in other to promote lateral growth.
I interpret the movement of Auxins to go from top meristem to down roots and back up thru the plants branching system. I use the Auxin response to eliminate Apical dominance and lateral branching.
I've had plants recover from serious bending and breaking in 6 hrs (while peak of sunlight), faster than anything I have seen.
I yet to experience Auxins in the flower transition and build up.
I've noticed Auxins work similiar to thyroids in human i think its thyroid or whatever part is responible for hormonal creation, this is near the base of the plant you can see auxin dominance closer to the base and diminish as the plant grows farther away. for reducing apical dominance focus on pollinating the farhest flowers from the base of the stem an using the male from the sacks fatherst away from the main stem as well. so auxins flow outwards from the base or middle of the plant kind of where the seedling starts in the soil kinda area. the roots start thicker and get skinnier and the stem starts thicker and gets skinnier, the reason the first flowers form at the tips is because of this.
Well its an interesting hypotheses and you put a lot of thought into it. But on the other hand, there is no Refernce quoted in any of your statement. Sadly science isnt just observations. You gotta aim for scientific framework on your trial. otherwise the data is worthless, or just observations respectively. 10 Seeds and 10 Seeds isnt statistically reliable. How many repetitions do you do? How uniform is your genetic material? How will you be minimizing noise?
Imho theories are nice and those who found the most amazing novelties were told to be fools. But still, those people, on one point, had to prove their theory and findings. By statistics, mathematics and so on. If you need help with statistical framework, there is knowledgable people.
Also your theory is lacking critical thinking. Noone ever would say: This is it and I am sure, coz I observed it. Where do you see flaws in your theory? What needs to be found, that you would say: Oh well, this was a good try, but I maybe am wrong.
After all, interesting thought. Was reading something simililar in a book once I think.
Imho theories are nice and those who found the most amazing novelties were told to be fools. But still, those people, on one point, had to prove their theory and findings. By statistics, mathematics and so on. If you need help with statistical framework, there is knowledgable people.
Also your theory is lacking critical thinking. Noone ever would say: This is it and I am sure, coz I observed it. Where do you see flaws in your theory? What needs to be found, that you would say: Oh well, this was a good try, but I maybe am wrong.
After all, interesting thought. Was reading something simililar in a book once I think.
Interesting!
when I harvest and select a pheno for further work I cut the plant always leaving the first 2 nodes/branching from the base of the plant. I didn't know a reason to why I started doing this but I have observed that the first 2 nodes closest to the ground/soil are by far the strongest, most resilient, responsive but also the least developed in flower... that means to me that they are least induced by hormonal changes.
Later when I start the reveg process the plant choses one of the branches and drops what seems to be all the Auxins available almost depleting the other 3 branches of growth hormone, to the point of chocking the growth and dying off. Still showing apical dominance, seems like the plant only wants 1 branch to survive.
Anyway I might be on another spectrum regarding Auxins but I find interesting and important to understand it for Veg development in our beloved plant.
Its true i am no one in scientific community other than this forums, just someone who has a passion and wanted to understand the plants better. I have put alot of critial thought and addressed the counterarguements to the best of my abilities before posting this and consulted with friends and professors which help me solidfy my model. I am confident enough to say the current model is wrong, I have all the rights in my eyes, but i totally understand the other side of the coin. theres a process and way to prove and solidifity things. but i am sharing my thoughts and beliefs, like a cult leader haha, and until science wants to test my theory and accept it, its more of a logical and faith based idea, if it makes sense and works and i can see it and observe the AER Model i am going to believe it over science . why would i believe in photoperiods now if i think its wrong and i know how it works and can observe that in every example in nature. for me its proven for science or others no. but i wanted to put ideas out there so some scientist in a big institution can prove this because i have no desire trying to prove the aer a big scientific group can prove it more powerfully than me i am just sharing my beliefs. let someone whos getting paid to do experiment do it haha, i did all my research on my own. but intellectual wealth is precious to me as well. knowledge is powerful tool when used and harnessed
I just would like to say that phytohormones are a thing, widely studied by many. Yet remain unknown to most. Most of the research has been made in order to make fruiting bodies look great for capital gain. Just saying that mainstream research is paid for/by corporations. Not a lot (if any) research to actually understand plant chemistry and synergy.
"The Truth is The Current photoperiod model in science are completely wrong. i brought this up to a few renown plant psyiologist and they had their heads too far up their own butt to even consider my ideas, which i am sure are correct. I have no desire to stray from my plans and go out of the way to preform an experiment using there style and post it as a publication, thats not me if they want to accept and test my ideas good, but i am not going out of my way to prove something to people i dont respect. but for any growers who want to understand how photoperiods truly work, andd not believe all the garbage and bs lies that science believes atm give this a read. - Thanks VW"
here you present this information as if these are your ideas, which they are not. the research literature has abundant references to the auxin energy resource model. here is google AI on the subject.
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The Auxin-Energy-Resource (AER) Model proposes a shift in understanding plant flowering from the traditional photoperiod/circadian model, suggesting that auxin, a plant hormone, plays a crucial role in regulating flowering by dynamically responding to energy availability and resource allocation rather than solely relying on day length.
Key points of the AER Model:
Limitations of the Traditional Photoperiod/Circadian Model:
Overall, the AER Model offers a more comprehensive explanation for flowering initiation by incorporating auxin, energy resource availability, and stress signals, providing a broader understanding of plant developmental responses to environmental cues.."
there are many research papers on the subject, also.
it is considered customary to give credit to the original authors when using their material. that is, if you want any credibility.
this may be an inadvertent error on your part so if it is please correct it and show your sources.
it is quite obvious that the person who wrote your opening paragraph is not the same person or persons who wrote the information you present in this thread.
here you present this information as if these are your ideas, which they are not. the research literature has abundant references to the auxin energy resource model. here is google AI on the subject.
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The Auxin-Energy-Resource (AER) Model proposes a shift in understanding plant flowering from the traditional photoperiod/circadian model, suggesting that auxin, a plant hormone, plays a crucial role in regulating flowering by dynamically responding to energy availability and resource allocation rather than solely relying on day length.
Key points of the AER Model:
- Auxin as the primary driver:
Unlike the traditional model, the AER model posits that auxin levels, rather than photoperiod, are the primary determinant of flowering initiation. Auxin concentration gradients within the plant determine where flowering will occur. - Energy Resource Connection:
Auxin production and transport are closely linked to the plant's energy status. When energy resources are sufficient, auxin is readily produced and transported to the apical meristem, promoting flowering. Conversely, low energy conditions can inhibit auxin synthesis and transport, delaying flowering. - Stress-Induced Flowering:
The AER model can explain autoflowering and stress-induced flowering. For example, drought or low light intensity can trigger hormonal changes that lead to increased auxin production, even in short day conditions, thus promoting flowering.
Limitations of the Traditional Photoperiod/Circadian Model:
- Inability to Explain Autoflowering:
The traditional model struggles to explain autoflowering in plants like certain cannabis strains, which flower regardless of day length.
- Stress-Induced Flowering:
This model also cannot fully account for flowering induced by stress conditions such as drought or low light intensity, where day length is irrelevant.
Overall, the AER Model offers a more comprehensive explanation for flowering initiation by incorporating auxin, energy resource availability, and stress signals, providing a broader understanding of plant developmental responses to environmental cues.."
there are many research papers on the subject, also.
it is considered customary to give credit to the original authors when using their material. that is, if you want any credibility.
this may be an inadvertent error on your part so if it is please correct it and show your sources.
it is quite obvious that the person who wrote your opening paragraph is not the same person or persons who wrote the information you present in this thread.
there are many research papers on the subject, also.? show me one please
t is considered customary to give credit to the original authors when using their material. that is, if you want any credibility. " I am the original author i used ai to format the information if you understand how ai works it does not have the capacity this is all from myself and the ai and past observations and research and thinking even thinking while im driving long distances about plant hormones and florigen ect it took alot of thought,
"it is quite obvious that the person who wrote your opening paragraph is not the same person or persons who wrote the information you present in this thread." - Assumptions alot of the time make an ass out of you and me you are wrong all the information and aer model where created by myself with the help of chat gpt 4.0.
Orange's Greenhouse
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Please do not tell me that he just uses a chatbot to create these long, well formatted, properly punctuated rants with correct grammar?!
I'm just saying this because the format and style of your chatbot derived rant is exactly the same as his posts. Also it makes no sense what he writes when the layout switches while the rest sounds convincing (is coherent) but probably has errors when fact checked.
