The Trump Countdown Thread

[Crooked8]

Dude I grew up in Gary Indiana poor as fuck, certainly no fucking Beverly Hills. Your either old and really ignorant with the times or just another white liberal who grew up rich and ignorant.

Um, neither, try again. Also, just because you grew up in a certain area with a certain poverty level, DOES NOT MEAN YOU SEE THE POINT! The beverly hills example was apparently too hard for you to grasp without self reflection. Do you ever just think “whats is like for someone else”? Or is it all just about you? I never assumed you were from beverly hills, you've explained your own upbringing. Heres an easier, simpler way of asking my same question. Do you think Donald Trumps children had to think about gangs or oppression? Did his parents have to worry about which fountain they could drink from? Is that the same for his kids as where you grew up? How about Compton? I know this is complex, but if you turn your brain on I think you might just be able to see that your neighborhood is not the only reflection of history or opportunity. Yes Black and White people have both seen poverty. Black people, however, were set up to stay poorer systemically. Examples, were not given loans to buy homes, especially in certain areas. Restrictions on jobs. Certain positions were unavailable. Do you know what redlining is? Im happy to define it if you dont. You can make all the assumtions about me you want. I havent once spoken about myself, im concerned for others, unlike you.

 

['Boogieman']

Um, neither, try again. Also, just because you grew up in a certain area with a certain poverty level, DOES NOT MEAN YOU SEE THE POINT! The beverly hills example was apparently too hard for you to grasp without self reflection. Do you ever just think “whats is like for someone else”? Or is it all just about you? I never assumed you were from beverly hills, you've explained your own upbringing. Heres an easier, simpler way of asking my same question. Do you think Donald Trumps children had to think about gangs or oppression? Did his parents have to worry about which fountain they could drink from? Is that the same for his kids as where you grew up? How about Compton? I know this is complex, but if you turn your brain on I think you might just be able to see that your neighborhood is not the only reflection of history or opportunity.

Yea everyone has things that bother them it's life, I'm not justifying what happened to black people many years ago but that's not the reason many drop out of school and join a gang today. It's mostly a lifestyle choice no matter how much that bothers you. Even many white kids fall into the gang lifestyle today and fuck up their lives but it's their choice to make. Trump is not your average white man, your point there is absolutely irrelevant. Today Black people who do well in school and stay out of trouble have plenty of opportunities. Lowest unemployment rates for Black people before covid19. And before you start bitching about how black people are still poor many white people are also poor, the middle class has been shrinking for years. I blame that on career politicians not white people.

 

[Cannavore]

'who is being canceled, leftists?" - gaius

correct they are. you only hear about the righties because of our extreme US right wing bias.

 

[Crooked8]

Yea everyone has things that bother them it's life, I'm not justifying what happened to black people many years ago but that's not the reason many drop out of school and join a gang today. It's mostly a lifestyle choice no matter how much that bothers you. Even many white kids fall into the gang lifestyle today and fuck up their lives but it's their choice to make. Trump is not your average white man, your point there is absolutely irrelevant.

What happened to Black people many years ago has an incredible impact. Btw this was not that long ago. Not that many generations ago, people were slaves. Followed by segregation which applied to the average Black person which also involved all of my prior examples of being given less opportunity you are conveniently ignoring. I never said Trump was an average example! How you could even imagine I thought that he was average is baffling. Have you any idea what the word outlier means and how to put that into context in this argument? Trumps kids(White) vs a kid(Black) that grew up in Compton. Do you understand why hard work does not pay off the same way for them both? Do you understand there is a ton of gray area in between but within all of that gray, Black efforts were unappreciated, undermined and underpaid. All of the White people in that gray area had a leg up. If you dont believe that, we can just quit because I cant remove your engrained ignorance. Again, you do not seem to understand systemic racisms effect on generations to come. I wish it were all fair and the same dude, I do, it just isn't and never was.

 

[Cannavore]

boogie doesn't understand socioeconomic factors.


for instance - why did all those kids you grew up with joined gangs? i bet you real currency most of those kids didn't have dads.

 

[Crooked8]

Yea everyone has things that bother them it's life, I'm not justifying what happened to black people many years ago but that's not the reason many drop out of school and join a gang today. It's mostly a lifestyle choice no matter how much that bothers you. Even many white kids fall into the gang lifestyle today and fuck up their lives but it's their choice to make. Trump is not your average white man, your point there is absolutely irrelevant. Today Black people who do well in school and stay out of trouble have plenty of opportunities. Lowest unemployment rates for Black people before covid19. And before you start bitching about how black people are still poor many white people are also poor, the middle class has been shrinking for years. I blame that on career politicians not white people.

boogie doesn't understand socioeconomic factors.


for instance - why did all those kids you grew up with joined gangs? i bet you real currency most of those kids didn't have dads.

Seriously he cant see it. He still thinks were talking about something other than the Black experience. Due to systemic racism, white people start out closer to home while Black people were and still are in many instances stuck on second base. Im not saying there arent ANY opportunities. This is the definition of the systemic part. From the get go, its harder for them than a White person to make it! Ever seen statistics on penalties for the same crimes for Blacks vs Whites? Current? Want examples? I can pull that shit up rn and im happy to. Here ya go...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...as-a-white-person-study-finds/?outputType=amp

To Cannavores point, why were they likely wo Dads!? Many times because they were in jail for a crime where a White person would have been out in far less time or NO TIME.

 

[Cannavore]

poverty is a causal link to crime. if you deny this, like alot of rightie geniuses like ben shapiro do (he also makes a fast talking gish galloping argument as to why systemic racism isn't real), you're just a dummy. you can be right, left, center, black, white, asian, blue, purple. thems just the facts.

 

[Gry]

Disgusting how many are tagged as gang members by the police when they never had any such affiliation at all.
We live in a society which figured out how to monetize kids by criminalizing them.
Ugly racket of an industry built around racism which like any other must be fed.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

poverty is a causal link to crime. if you deny this, like alot of rightie geniuses like ben shapiro do (he also makes a fast talking gish galloping argument as to why systemic racism isn't real), you're just a dummy. you can be right, left, center, black, white, asian, blue, purple. thems just the facts.

2 simple things could solve so many problems in our country - UBI and M4A.

With all of these progressive wins against establishment Dems, I've got a strange feeling in my chest that I vaguely remember as 'hope'.

It's going to be a rough few years, but I will be proud to witness this turning.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Yes of course poverty is linked to crime - if you are actually starving and need to eat - have no money - and there is a supermarket nearby - where no jobs are available - then to survive (survival being a very strong instinct) - you would have to eat - then the instinct to survive would overcome any laws not to commit the 'crime' of theft - if an individual wanted to survive - then food would be stolen -

- Somehow I find poverty not to be any sort of excuse - when violent crime/murder and rape are committed - unless an accidental homicide took place - while trying to steal food to survive -

* just came across this interesting read -

- Intelligence and race also factor into criminality apparently -

- Race, IQ, and Crime - The Alternative Hypothesis -

https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/07/race-iq-and-crime/

Intelligence and Crime
Measuring The Size Of The Iq-crime Correlation - https://law.jrank.org/pages/1363/Intelligence-Crime-Measuring-size-IQ-crime-correlation.html

poverty is a causal link to crime. if you deny this, like alot of rightie geniuses like ben shapiro do (he also makes a fast talking gish galloping argument as to why systemic racism isn't real), you're just a dummy. you can be right, left, center, black, white, asian, blue, purple. thems just the facts.

 

[Deep State]

Yea everyone has things that bother them it's life, I'm not justifying what happened to black people many years ago but that's not the reason many drop out of school and join a gang today. It's mostly a lifestyle choice no matter how much that bothers you. Even many white kids fall into the gang lifestyle today and fuck up their lives but it's their choice to make. Trump is not your average white man, your point there is absolutely irrelevant. Today Black people who do well in school and stay out of trouble have plenty of opportunities. Lowest unemployment rates for Black people before covid19. And before you start bitching about how black people are still poor many white people are also poor, the middle class has been shrinking for years. I blame that on career politicians not white people.

Low unemployment isn't necessarily any kind of great achievement.
If 95-99% of the jobs are basically horseshit, for horseshit money, while a handful of people have all the money and all the power it makes for a miserable country.

If taxes are geared differently it takes pressure off the lower class and works like gravity against super rich.
Once you start getting obscenely wealthy the tax should start to get heavier and heavier, so it doesn't make it impossible to keep building it just prevents those rich people to reach levels where they can have a monopoly and control the market.

It doesnt punish success, like rich people will try to tell you on tv or in politics, it just leaves more people opportunity to flourish.

Hundreds of billions of dollars for one person or even family is pure insanity.

I saw this short video of Andrew Yang and another guy describing the republican party being great at selling garbage policies with great skill and the democrats trying to sell good policies and struggling.... seems about right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHvYdQYcmFs

 

[Zeez]

 

[nepalnt21]

It's not correct that Trump's call to the Ukranian Pres was not tied to a legit investigation (as you said). It was perfectly legitamite. You called it a cocamame conspiracy theory, but it is not that either.

Rudy Guiliani interviewed Shokin the prosecutor. He had an open investigation. You can find it on Gulianis Youtube channel.

crowdstrike server dnc bullshit conspiracy theory nonsense is a legit investigation? shenanigans.

the disgraced ex prosecutor general says the case was active? must be true

 

[mr.brunch]

That’s just too much money for one individual.
Notice how they set up charities too..... biggest fckin tax dodge in the world.
Tax their fckin ears off I say ...

 

[nepalnt21]

Low unemployment isn't necessarily any kind of great achievement.
If 95-99% of the jobs are basically horseshit, for horseshit money, while a handful of people have all the money and all the power

there's also the fact that the downward trend started bigly... during the obama presidency.

and slowed once trump started mucking shit up

and in early 2019 started rising again

the federal gubment is a big hulking beast that takes a minute or two to start turning. it's how the republicans are able to gut socially beneficial programs and then blame democrats for problems down the line that the repubes are responsible for... and as showcased here, take responsibility for largely democrat programs that only start to benefit society years later.

 

[Zeez]

That’s just too much money for one individual.
Notice how they set up charities too..... biggest fckin tax dodge in the world.
Tax their fckin ears off I say ...

One billion = one thousand million.

When individuals get that big piece of the pie, it means that many get no pie at all. This shows our taxation system is a total failure.

 

[EsterEssence]

Less than 3 months of having to listen to this power hungry fool that is going to do anything he can to rig the election, suppress the vote, steal the election...

 

[nepalnt21]

not if dr. kanye can help it

 

[Amynamous]

Seriously he cant see it. He still thinks were talking about something other than the Black experience. Due to systemic racism, white people start out closer to home while Black people were and still are in many instances stuck on second base. Im not saying there arent ANY opportunities. This is the definition of the systemic part. From the get go, its harder for them than a White person to make it! Ever seen statistics on penalties for the same crimes for Blacks vs Whites? Current? Want examples? I can pull that shit up rn and im happy to. Here ya go...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...as-a-white-person-study-finds/?outputType=amp

To Cannavores point, why were they likely wo Dads!? Many times because they were in jail for a crime where a White person would have been out in far less time or NO TIME.

Here’s another example of systemic racism:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/us/man-freed-life-sentence-marijuana-trnd/index.html

This black veteran was busted in 2008 for selling less than a gram of pot. Not his first offense, but all were minor, non violent. Ended up getting a life sentence. I challenge anyone to find a recent similar story involving a white veteran.

 

[Cannavore]

Chuck the cuck Shumer is now saying we should open schools lol. What exactly is the point of having two parties when they both adhere to the same right wing dogma?