The Trump Countdown Thread

[unclefishstick]

Unless Trump cheats. What kind of BS is Trump gonna pull up to including saying the election was a hoax..

good thing he's so freakin' incompetent...he'll try and get caught...


i wonder if his face will clash with an orange jumpsuit?

 

[GOT_BUD?]

Everything is fine. Nothing to see here.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/20/trump-john-yoo-lawyer-torture-waterboarding

Trump consults Bush torture lawyer on how to skirt law and rule by decree

The Trump administration has been consulting the former government lawyer who wrote the legal justification for waterboarding on how the president might try to rule by decree.

John Yoo told the Guardian he has been talking to White House officials about his view that a recent supreme court ruling on immigration would allow Trump to issue executive orders on whether to apply existing federal laws.

“If the court really believes what it just did, then it just handed President Trump a great deal of power, too,” Yoo, a professor at Berkeley Law, said.

“The supreme court has said President Obama could not enforce immigration laws for about 2 million cases. And why can’t the Trump administration do something similar with immigration – create its own … program, but it could do it in areas beyond that, like healthcare, tax policy, criminal justice, inner city policy. I talked to them a fair amount about cities, because of the disorder.”

In a Fox News Sunday interview, Trump declared he would try to use that interpretation to try to force through decrees on healthcare, immigration and “various other plans” over the coming month. The White House consultations with Yoo were first reported by the Axios news website.

Constitutional scholars and human rights activists have also pointed to the deployment of paramilitary federal forces against protesters in Portland as a sign that Trump is ready to use this broad interpretation of presidential powers as a means to suppress basic constitutional rights.

“This is how it begins,” Laurence Tribe, a Harvard constitutional law professor, wrote on Twitter. “The dictatorial hunger for power is insatiable. If ever there was a time for peaceful civil disobedience, that time is upon us.”

Yoo became notorious for a legal memo he drafted in August 2002, when he was deputy assistant attorney general in the justice department’s office of legal counsel.

It stated: “Necessity or self-defense may justify interrogation methods that might violate” the criminal prohibition on torture.

Memos drafted by Yoo were used for justifying waterboarding and other forms of torture on terrorism suspects at CIA “black sites” around the world.

Asked if he now regretted his memos, Yoo replied: “I’m still not exactly sure about how far the CIA took its interrogation methods but I think if they stayed within the outlines of the legal memos, I think they weren’t violating American law.”

In a book titled Defender in Chief, due to be published next week, Yoo argues that Trump was fighting to restore the powers of the presidency, in a way that would have been approved by the framers of the US constitution.

“They wanted each branch to have certain constitutional weapons and then they wanted them to fight. And so they wanted the president to try to expand his powers but they expected also Congress to keep fighting with the President,” he said.

In a June article in the National Review, he wrote that a supreme court decision that blocked Trump’s attempt to repeal Barack Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals programme, known as Daca and established by executive order, meant Trump could do the same thing to achieve his policy goals.

Daca suspended deportations of undocumented migrants who arrived in the US as children. As an example of what Trump might achieve in the same way, Yoo suggested the president could declare a national right to carry firearms openly, in conflict with many state laws.

“He could declare that he would not enforce federal firearms laws,” Yoo wrote, “and that a new ‘Trump permit’ would free any holder of state and local gun-control restrictions.

“Even if Trump knew that his scheme lacked legal authority, he could get away with it for the length of his presidency,” he said. In a telephone interview, he added: “According to the supreme court, the president can now choose to under-enforce the law in certain areas and it can’t be undone by his successor unless that successor goes through this onerous thing called the Administrative Procedure Act, which usually takes one to two years.”

Constitutional scholars have rejected Yoo’s arguments as ignoring limits on the executive powers of the president imposed by the founders, who were determined to prevent the rise of a tyrant.

Tribe called Yoo’s interpretation of the Daca ruling “indefensible”.

He added: “I fear that this lawless administration will take full advantage of the fact that judicial wheels grind slowly and that it will be difficult to keep up with the many ways Trump, aided and abetted by Bill Barr as attorney general and Chad Wolf as acting head of homeland security, can usurp congressional powers and abridge fundamental rights in the immigration space in particular but also in matters of public health and safety.”

On the deployment of federal paramilitary units against Portland, Yoo said he did not know enough of the facts to deem whether it was an abuse of executive power.

“It has to be really reasonably related to protecting federal buildings,” he said. “If it’s just graffiti, that’s not enough. It really depends on what the facts are.”

Alka Pradhan, a defence counsel in the 9/11 terrorism cases against inmates in the Guantánamo Bay prison camp, said: “John Yoo’s so-called reasoning has always been based on ‘What can the president get away with?’ rather than ‘What is the purpose and letter of the law?’

“That is not legal reasoning, it’s inherently tyrannical and anti-democratic.”

Pradhan and other defence lawyers in the pre-trial hearings at the Guantánamo Bay military tribunal have argued that the use of torture against their clients, made possible by Yoo’s 2002 memo, invalidated much of the case against them.

“The fact that John Yoo is employed and free to opine on legal matters is an example of the culture of impunity in the United States,” she said.

 

[xavier7995]

not information i've read
but smoke for crowd control could make sense
people that see fewer people with them might might not be as bold
and police could hardly be criticized for such a soft handed technique

Well I would agree that does make sense as a very nice approach, but I don't really think it would be the case. Wouldnt it be somewhat counterproductive to the police interest? Anarchists throw smoke bombs to create that fog of war and a bunch of confusion, police benefit from seeing whats happening to try and arrest folks. They have some nice gas masks that let them gas people and then go in with the advantage of being able to see and protestors running, as it sucks getting gassed.

How often to police act to de-escalate a situation vs ramping it way up in a power struggle? It just isn't really part of what they do.

 

[Zeez]

Trump is sending the storm troopers to Chicago next week.

But wait, there's more.

Fox News, Ed Henry, Sean Hannity & Tucker Carlson Sued In Sex Trafficking, Sexual Harassment & Retaliation Suit.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tucker-carlson-sean-hannity-more-210434552.html

 

['Boogieman']

Sup fellas, seems things still are what they are.

I would have to ask...has anyone ever heard of police deploying smoke bombs rather than tear gas. Like....that doesn't make any sense. Maybe smacking a dude in the face with a baton is some form of chiropractic medicine, but thats one hell of a stretch of the imagination.

The cop love and excuse making, on both sides, is some fucking bullshit. Politics makes strange bed fellows, give a solid look at who you decide to lay down with.

I had to go to jail when I was 19 for 6 months, I'm definitely no cop lover. As I get older though I will appreciate what I own and if someone comes to my house with that rioting bullshit I will definitely blow their head off.

 

[nepalnt21]

if someone comes and tries to fuck my shit up, i'm gonna protect my home and family as well.

if they are in a public place protesting, they will probably at least get a nod from me if not a supportive hoot and a holler.

if their rights are being trampled, they have my solidarity.

 

[igrowone]

Well I would agree that does make sense as a very nice approach, but I don't really think it would be the case. Wouldnt it be somewhat counterproductive to the police interest? Anarchists throw smoke bombs to create that fog of war and a bunch of confusion, police benefit from seeing whats happening to try and arrest folks. They have some nice gas masks that let them gas people and then go in with the advantage of being able to see and protestors running, as it sucks getting gassed.

How often to police act to de-escalate a situation vs ramping it way up in a power struggle? It just isn't really part of what they do.

good point with the crowds usually be the smoke bombers
maybe a bit of head gaming? putting down some smoke might be a buzz kill for smoke from the mob
back to original point, yeah, the police aren't known for smoke screening that i've heard of

 

[GOT_BUD?]

I had to go to jail when I was 19 for 6 months, I'm definitely no cop lover. As I get older though I will appreciate what I own and if someone comes to my house with that rioting bullshit I will definitely blow their head off.

No arguments here.

I'm not on board with headshots though. Too small of a target and easy to miss. 2 rounds, center mass, assess. Repeat if necessary.

 

[xavier7995]

I had to go to jail when I was 19 for 6 months, I'm definitely no cop lover. As I get older though I will appreciate what I own and if someone comes to my house with that rioting bullshit I will definitely blow their head off.

I get it man, that post was in response to yours, but that aspect was not. Cheers as you are now the standard bearer of the non retard Republicans, hope you hold out as long as dubyah did.

Seriously though...have you ever known police to try and de-escalate a situation. Pretty much every interaction I had until the age of like 35 was them ramping it up. As a middle aged white dude though, holy shit its a joy to "ken" them and get a bit mouthy.

Edit: i totally got half a chub during my last interaction as I called him "boy" repeatedly. Its the little things.

 

[Zeez]

if someone comes and tries to fuck my shit up, i'm gonna protect my home and family as well.

if they are in a public place protesting, they will probably at least get a nod from me if not a supportive hoot and a holler.

if their rights are being trampled, they have my solidarity.

Sums it up for me too. Somebody tries to roll into the homestead I will already know, have 4k video and be waiting with a smile and a 45 in hand. The dog will be pissed that she didn't get a chance to naw his leg off first.

Protestors - It's their right.

 

[xavier7995]

if someone comes and tries to fuck my shit up, i'm gonna protect my home and family as well.

if they are in a public place protesting, they will probably at least get a nod from me if not a supportive hoot and a holler.

if their rights are being trampled, they have my solidarity.

As long as the rioting hits big box stores I am good. It sucks when mom and pops get caught up in it and is wrong, but not gonna shed a tear that some folks took new tvs from target.

I was all set to yell some slurs at this guy, but then he shocked the whole intersection and whipped out a biden sign.

Edit: sent it to my pops and brother to tease them that our retards in cowboy hats waiving flags aren't retards like theirs.

 

[med4u]

Dental plans matter...cops blow her grill out...lmfao

 

[xavier7995]

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[unclefishstick]

none of that please...better if we leave the insults behind this round...

 

[xavier7995]

Will do. That was super surly. I stick by it though...but yeah, I was a dick.

 

[Gry]

I had to go to jail when I was 19 for 6 months, I'm definitely no cop lover. As I get older though I will appreciate what I own and if someone comes to my house with that rioting bullshit I will definitely blow their head off.

I don't believe you.

 

[unclefishstick]

Will do. That was super surly. I stick by it though...but yeah, I was a dick.

attack the point,not the person...

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Well, I will not go into my multiple experiences with the cops but the worst times were when I brought it on my self.

And then there are times when the cops saved the day.

As a general rule though, I am wary of cops being around. No need to give them a reason, ay?

minds_I

 

[xavier7995]

boogie is good, I buy what he says as it is almost verbatim what my best bud since 5th grade says. Isnt right, but well, sometimes you need to meet people where they are at to try and win them over.

I mentioned narc ass bitches as a reason for separating weed and political postings. Boogs, packer, dubyah, hempy are way outside of that; just people with different views. They are still in that circle of weed dudes.

As the meme says, I am super reasonable so if i call you a bitch and am a huge asshole...there's a real good reason.

Also...i am ashamed at my ability to stick to weed talk. Absolum has an amazing progression in his grow, that shits dope dude. Really impressive and you need to ramble about bootstraps.

 

[xavier7995]

attack the point,not the person...

Sometimes they are one and the same. Point taken though and dropped.