The True Origin of G13

[William76]

wish I could post pics,iv pics of my g13 cut (gnomes cut),lost it 2 year back,pics up at other place,im not good with comps,spg used to post my pics for me but he's disappeared.76

 

[GoatCheese]

whats the closest G13 you can get in seed form?

DrGreenthumb's G13 S1 seeds. ..He bought the G13 cut from Jim Ortega who had got it from Nevil.
..Or Hazeman's G13/Pacific-G13 hybrids.
..there's also G13 looking phenos in the '88 G13/Hashplant lines some US breeders are making

 

[GoatCheese]

They are not related to the real G13.

LOL.
Now you're already claiming Pacific-G13 IS NOT RELATED to Nevil's G13 clone, yet Nevil's G13Haze has same terp profile as Pacific-G13, as i already told you. I'm flowering MrNice G13haze atm. 4 different females. So, you're just making things up, man.
If Pacific-G13 is not THE G13 clone, then it's atleast a close relative. But to claim they are not related at all is just bullshit.

 

[@hempy]

LOL.
Now you're already claiming Pacific-G13 IS NOT RELATED to Nevil's G13 clone, yet Nevil's G13Haze has same terp profile as Pacific-G13, as i already told you. I'm flowering MrNice G13haze atm. 4 different females. So, you're just making things up, man.
If Pacific-G13 is not THE G13 clone, then it's atleast a close relative. But to claim they are not related at all is just bullshit.

No Pacific her self is claiming that and Lady J is Pacific by the way.

[SIZE=-1] sb, I too appreciate your honesty, but you're still under the wrong impression. THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT DEVELOP THESE PLANTS, THEY ARE ALL FROM DEA CONFISCATED LOTS. They are ALL tested and certain ones are kept (for exactly what reasons I don't know) and distributed in certain cases. Somehow I just can't get that through peoples heads. I don't think aliens are involved or genetic engineering for that matter (except for maybe one particular plant) but that's not what we're talking about here. All the info is researchable if you put your mind to it. People want to believe in super-secret government projects, but it's all much more mundane than that. I do get these plants from a source that is certified by the dea, that's all I am going to say on the subject. You can believe me or not, it doesn't matter. Because again, it's not me that's important, it's the plant. I apologize to anyone to whom I have given the wrong impression. Lady J[/SIZE]

 

[GoatCheese]

No Pacific her self is claiming that and Lady J is Pacific by the way.

I already posted that quote. To me she says the myth that US Gov. developped the G13 strain is false. But what ever, if you want to believe that myth, Hempy, go a head.


I also a quoted a post where she states her G13BW has G13 Clone as the mother. So she really doesn't seem to be admitting her cuts are fake and not related to the real G13. You just want to believe that.

[FONT=&quot] pacific[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

NCGA G13BW = Bluewidow male (sag blueberry x aloha ww) X (G13xNL)
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]pacific G13BW[/FONT][FONT=&quot] = Mr.Nice Blackwidow male X [/FONT][FONT=&quot]G13 clone[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
peace
[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot] apologies to nc if i don't have it quite right, but i think i do [/FONT]

I see, Hempy, you still do not want to comment my statement that Nevil's G13Haze has the same terp profile as my Pacific-G13 leaning Gordy's Spice.
You want to talk about internet rumors, while i'm talking about plants that i'm growing. But you repeatedly skip over that argument (terp profile of G13Haze). I'm done with this, mate.

 

[ctg]

nc didn’t make a g13bw as far as I can recall. His was the blue widow. Was another killer that isn’t around any longer sadly. Bottom line folks can argue all they want about g13 it really matters not. What matters is that if pacifics cut is still out there it be preserved and sent out as much as we did. If it wasn’t for the generous nature of pacific, clips and a few others it would have been lost long ago

 

[@hempy]

Dude the G13 Nevil got came from the Government Ag facility Pacifics are from busts conducted on growers by the DEA huge difference.

I have not grown any G13Hz but what dose that prove that Pacifics is now a G13Hz phino from Nevil's G13Hz ?.

Lady J / Pacific clearly admits her plants are not the G13 Nevil had and the small point of her calling 3 completely unrelated lines G13 is also not problem take it .


A different post by Pacific

[SIZE=-1]The G13 clone I have is NOT the G13 that is out there in all those crosses. Mine is the one being documented by IMSDL and Memy Selfandi. They were neutral parties with the ability to upload pics and document the grow. My source on this clone is unquestionable. The purple G is the second government clone. It has a longer and more slender leaf than the g, but is all indica. Very short internode spacing, and VERY potent. It's the consensus here that it is our most potent medical plant. The purple begins on the underside of the leaves and then permeates through the leaf tissue to the upper surfaces until most of the plant is purple. This pot is not for rookies. Lady J[/SIZE]

 

[@hempy]

nc didn’t make a g13bw as far as I can recall. His was the blue widow. Was another killer that isn’t around any longer sadly. Bottom line folks can argue all they want about g13 it really matters not. What matters is that if pacifics cut is still out there it be preserved and sent out as much as we did. If it wasn’t for the generous nature of pacific, clips and a few others it would have been lost long ago

She did mate


[SIZE=-1]

MrIto>> The G13 is an acrid, potent indica. It grows as wide or wider than it does tall and the odor easily overpowers most other strains in the grow. This is a pure clone from an independent source. There's a lot of controversy about the clone, it kicks ass nonetheless. I've also posted quite a few pics of the clone during the last grow, and I'll dig some more pics out of the bin. I flower the G13 9 weeks. That's just me... nothing in stone. The widow male comes from a pack of greenhouse '97/98. The seeds were purchased in amsterdam by a very cool friend. Unfortunately he is no longer with us but I can tell you a little about him... I used the fibonacci ratios to determine he was in fact quite stable genetically. Very uniform in structure and growth both pre and post flowering. Rubbing the plant gave a rather foul whiff of that widow smell... really funky. Not the most resinous male, but the most potent and stable. I would expect to flower this hybrid for 8 weeks. Very high yield and potency, but get the ozone generator out or you might have some problems. I like weed that is very odourous and while I haven't grown this new hybrid myself, I have enough experience with the parental stock to know these babes will rock. Pacific [/SIZE]

 

[ctg]

Pacific still states in her posts that hers is in fact g13. That there was also more than one.
Regardless I am happy I was able to enjoy pacifics g and spread her around a bit.
-ct-

 

[PoweredByLove]

I grew out the PG13 bx. Short stocky plant, dense golf ball sized buds. went like 70-80 days. starts to get purple leaves towards the end. smell when dry is what i call "that dumpster" got a funky smell like an old empty dumpster. like 98bubba smell minus the gas. i don't remember what it smell like when you burn it. i do remember i was so high after 1 hit that i zoned out for like 15 minutes and burned a hole in my shirt. lol good times.

 

[zgpowmonkey]

LOL, ok Grandpa

 

[GoatCheese]

Dude the G13 Nevil got came from the Government Ag facility Pacifics are from busts conducted on growers by the DEA huge difference.

I have not grown any G13Hz but what dose that prove that Pacifics is now a G13Hz phino from Nevil's G13Hz ?.

Lady J / Pacific clearly admits her plants are not the G13 Nevil had and the small point of her calling 3 completely unrelated lines G13 is also not problem take it .


A different post by Pacific

The terp profile shared by Pacific-G13 and Nevil's/MrNice G13Haze is on every four G13Haze females i'm flowering. It's not on "one pheno", it's on every one of them. I was clearly talking about every four females i got.


:::


LOL. You don't find it strange that stories of Nevil's G13 cut and Pacific-G13, both have US Government supposedly involved ..and both are called G13. What a coincides. You don't find that weird, Hempy? What are the odds of that.

I have a bunch of beach sand to sell to you, Hempy. It's a big pile located in North Africa called Sahara
...it's not the same Sahara, you're thinking of, it's another Sahara. My Sahara has nicer sand, imo.


Anyways..
Here's a bunch of posts on the G13 topic, many posts from Pacific, and on one post she seems to be wondering if "LG13" is the same cut as she has, so she clearly is just searching for answers at this point.
https://cannagenetic.phpwebhosting.com/cgi-bin/showstrain.pl?StrainChoice=g13

[FONT=&quot] LG13 could be it. We have a verified government (one of two) clone that is the EXACT duplicate of those pics. I was just looking at one at six weeks tonight and they could be doubles. We'll have pics soon as someone just got a digicam. I've grown the IG13 and they are very different plants indeed. I have two "LG13" rooting up right now... STOKED! Pacific Lady J[/FONT]

But in short ..and i seem to be repeating myself:


All my four G13Haze females have the same G13-terp profile as my Pacific-G13 leaning Gordy's Spice-cut = Nevil's G13 cut was closely related to the Pacific-G13, if not the same exact clone.

Few posts ago you claimed they are NOT RELATED, but they clearly are.


I'm referring to terp profile = real, growing plants in my tent, while all you have are quotes from the internet, Hempy. See the difference.

Terp profile of G13Haze and Pacific-G13 pheno of Gordy's Spice:
- In general quite stale, not very aromatic.
- slightly floral sweet (clovers, touch of juniper maybe.)
- Sugary, honey notes
- acrid, stale, root vegetable-like kushy notes that you can find in the shitty phenos of Tom Hill's X18.
- slightly skunky and peppery

The G13-pheno isn't great pot by modern standards. Potent, sure, but bland tasting. Nothing to write home about.

 

[J-Icky]

The terp profile shared by Pacific-G13 and Nevil's/MrNice G13Haze is on every four G13Haze females i'm flowering. It's not on "one pheno", it's on every one of them. I was clearly talking about every four females i got.


:::


LOL. You don't find it strange that stories of Nevil's G13 cut and Pacific-G13, both have US Government supposedly involved ..and both are called G13. What a coincides. You don't find that weird, Hempy? What are the odds of that.

I have a bunch of beach sand to sell to you, Hempy. It's a big pile located in North Africa called Sahara
...it's not the same Sahara, you're thinking of, it's another Sahara. My Sahara has nicer sand, imo.


Anyways..
Here's a bunch of posts on the G13 topic, many posts from Pacific, and on one post she seems to be wondering if "LG13" is the same cut as she has, so she clearly is just searching for answers at this point.
https://cannagenetic.phpwebhosting.com/cgi-bin/showstrain.pl?StrainChoice=g13

But in short ..and i seem to be repeating myself:


All my four G13Haze females have the same G13-terp profile as my Pacific-G13 leaning Gordy's Spice-cut = Nevil's G13 cut was closely related to the Pacific-G13, if not the same exact clone.

Few posts ago you claimed they are NOT RELATED, but they clearly are.


I'm referring to terp profile = real, growing plants in my tent, while all you have are quotes from the internet, Hempy. See the difference.

Terp profile of G13Haze and Pacific-G13 pheno of Gordy's Spice:
- In general quite stale, not very aromatic.
- slightly floral sweet (clovers, touch of juniper maybe.)
- Sugary, honey notes
- acrid, stale, root vegetable-like kushy notes that you can find in the shitty phenos of Tom Hill's X18.
- slightly skunky and peppery

The G13-pheno isn't great pot by modern standards. Potent, sure, but bland tasting. Nothing to write home about.

Well let me start off by stating I think all the stories of G13 being government plants are complete BS. More likely just people discovering very potent indicas that didn’t have the smells and tastes of the sativa imports they were used to so instead of just being honest they made up some crap story involving the government.

Anyway, one reason how they could completely different G13 plants and still have the same terps could go back to both you hybrids having Thai genetics in them. NL5 is NLxThai and haze has Thai in it so that could be the source of the terps.

 

[@hempy]

GoatCheese Nevil G13 did not come from DEA seized plants taken from growers and Nevil only had 1 G13 clone.

Pacific/Lady J had 3 different clones she called G13 that came from going by her the DEA busts.

She posted and said her plants have no connection to Nevil's G13 or its hybrids.

I don't know what more you need to work out the Pacific G13 is not the same plant as what Nevil had and breed with .

 

[JetLife175]

Are we still saying that nev got the g from sandy or has that been disproven?

 

[@hempy]

Are we still saying that nev got the g from sandy or has that been disproven?

Nevil told me who he got the G13 clone from and the story behind it i cant post who it is as i need to ask if that can or should be posted publicly but what i will say is the person is not named Sandy.

I also believe the clone made its way into other peoples hands now did they keep it alive or make seeds i cant say but if Nevil lost it odds are others did to.My guess is it survives in the way of hybrids and they are out there and even offered by a commercial breeder.

 

[ctg]

The pacific g13 is musky flavored
Herb

 

[growingcrazy]

Hope you don't mind...


I made S1's with 3 MNS g13haze girls. Popped 107 this spring and will make S2's with the best from each phenotype group.


Here are a couple G13 leaning.

Mama.

 

[GoatCheese]

Anyway, one reason how they could completely different G13 plants and still have the same terps could go back to both you hybrids having Thai genetics in them. NL5 is NLxThai and haze has Thai in it so that could be the source of the terps.

NL5 actually has Hawaiian in it, not Thai.

Pacific/Lady J had 3 different clones she called G13 that came from going by her the DEA busts.

Hempy, you're confused.
She does not call all the "gov plants" G13. She called the second "gov plant" Purple G. What the 3rd cut is called, i dunno.
She states this on the quote you posted earlier yourself. You seemingly have trouble understanding what you read.

[FONT=&quot]The G13 clone I have is NOT the G13 that is out there in all those crosses. Mine is the one being documented by IMSDL and Memy Selfandi. They were neutral parties with the ability to upload pics and document the grow. My source on this clone is unquestionable. The purple G is the second government clone. It has a longer and more slender leaf than the g, but is all indica. Very short internode spacing, and VERY potent. It's the consensus here that it is our most potent medical plant. The purple begins on the underside of the leaves and then permeates through the leaf tissue to the upper surfaces until most of the plant is purple. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]This pot is not for rookies. Lady J[/FONT]

I don't know what more you need to work out the Pacific G13 is not the same plant as what Nevil had and breed with .

You just don't seem to get into your head that Nevil's G13 has/had the same Terp profile as Pacific-G13. Whatta F don't you understand about that?
You tell in one of the Haze threads how you select plants by smell (=terp profole)!!! But when i talk about the same thing, = inherited tep profile of G13Haze, it seemingly doesn't add up anymore. You really are a thick person, Hempy. No wonder you seem to piss people off in every convo you get into. Have you noticed?!

What i look for now is the color of the steam smell and look of the flower and look of the plants frame and leaf color.

So you can spot plants according to smell but no one else is able to.
You're something else! Do you enjoy listening to circus music at home, much?

 

[Tynehead Tom]

just waiting for the flowers to form and she will get dusted with G13HP pollen from a very reputable source in the canna community who can identify themselves if they choose too.
A hard G13hp leaning keeper from Bodhi's Grandma's Hashplant (irene x 88g13hp)
This plant is a keeper in so many ways. I'll never let her go.