The Search for Trip Weed

[Stocktont]

I dont understand your motivation Stocktont why troll and flamer me i posted the link to the video for ThiaBliss and others that may enjoy it.

That guy in the video was one guy operated with one broker watch the video you may Lorne something.

Why did you post it in the open forum if it was only for a select few of the members? I think you should report me to the site operators to have me corrected if my posts are in fact ”trolling and flaming” but you also know that they aren’t. I am stating my opinion and it doesn’t agree with yours. I think you’re hilarious whit your make believe fantasy writing and how seriously you seem to take your ”research” but when anyone scratch a bit on the surface the pretend shines through, that is the thing with open, public forums, not only you are able to express your opinion.

I actually visited some of the places and I lived in the country over years. Sure I don’t know everything about the culture but I know enough to be sure you don’t know anything other than stories you have been told by others. Some of the things you say are easy to know it’s just a made up story. If you want to write a pretend story about Thailand my suggestion is to go there and see it for yourself before you try to be any kind of authority on it. But I am not telling you what to do, I will just express my opinion and most of the time it conflicts with yours, too bad.

 

[Donald Mallard]

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Mike Ritter was one guy that organized loads for muggles to the US but there were many more and others that were on the ground in the Golden triangle that was controlled by war lords over seeing large grows Destin for Australia.

We lived in different city's mate grew up in different times.

listen more carefully and watch it again hempy ,
the golden triangle was not where they grew thai stick ,

thats where the made opium

there are lots of ethnically different peoples in thailand ,
they are not brothers and sisters , and they dont do business with one another ,
the thai language allows them to all communicate , but they are quite different ,

hence the food being so different from the south to the north , east etc ...
the thai stick was grown in the north east , isaan area ,
not in the northern parts where the golden triangle operated ,,


i am not expert either , but i have been there many times , married a thai woman , traveled to all corners of the place , studied etc ,,

and i can assure you what ritter says is 100 % accurate and its also exactly what i said , as did many others in the thread we all debated in ...

listen to that part again and take it in this time ...



i dont wanna upset the thread trying to prove anything , i dont need to prove anything , you have been told by an expert , if you dont believe him , thats up to you , but dont peddle your misinformation like its factual , because its definitely not ...



i was told the hash we had contained opium , though later research suggested it was not , and im happy to believe what i found out later and say i did not smoke opiated hash ,
i just believed what i was told until i found out from a more reliable source it was not fact ....

you should also be happy to do the same ..



end of convo on that , apologies if i have derailed things or upset the apple cart ....

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks for the info guys. Donald, you heard what I heard. Thanks for posting those pics again. I'll save them so I don't bother you again. I'll just keep reposting them myself. LOL

Hempy - You did get it right on the big syndicates. And also the closed cells. Both happened. The biggies were involved in the stuff going to Australia, and other U.S. syndicates got involved in the U.S. trade also. Of course they did. Nothing is absolute. There is a bell curve to nearly every "fact".

Every single time... When the people wanting money displace the breeding and growing done by the local culture, the weed goes to shit. Every single time! There is a bell curve, so isolated pockets still exist. Ask Mr. Mallard about the Super Laos again.

Plus, did you hear the prejudice of Ritter and Maguire?! They had to tie themselves into pretzels to justify their prejudice. First they said nobody was smoking it until the G.I.s started wanting it. At the same time they said it was in everyone's gardens, and only old men smoking it (otherwise known as the wise elders). WTF?! LMAO. Sure, it was used for other things. They also said it was the local Yao people who were the best growing experts for great weed! How did that happen? Did it happen overnight? Were they just born that way? No, no, no. The locals were breeding it and growing it for it's intoxication effects, among other things, generation after generation. It was a part of the local culture. The Yao got paid by the syndicates to move to other areas and try to teach other people how to grow it best. Talk about speaking out of both sides of their mouths. So they are wanting us to believe that the weed was world class, because what... because Americans wanted it? They just flipped a switch and made it great. They are proving a point in opposition to what they just stated, and they are so prejudiced, that they don't even recognize it. Duh... I guess it went from a landrace to a cultivar. Duh... Dumbasses! They also said the quality went down when the local indigenous growing/breeding culture got displaced by the big syndicates and the policing of them. How did this happen if it just grew naturally good and potent, like a landrace with little or no help from people? Never heard so much contradictory bullshit in my Cannabis life.

Yes, climate, soil, and solar influences are necessary, but not sufficient. Great weed has always come from genetics being consistently influenced by dedicated breeders over long periods of time. And I mean long periods of time, like multiple generations of human influence. They don't just spring out of the land. It takes hundreds of years to develop, and only a few years to destroy the work. This is proven every single time, when commercial interests take over the local culture. The greedy idiots prove that they are not capable of sustaining it when great weed localities and the local culture get displaced. I have personally seen it, as a consumer, from Mexico, Jamaica, Colombia, California, and Thailand. It happens every single time. If you want to find good weed, look for families who grow seeds passed down from generation, to generation, to generation. Any outcrossing is done with closely related cousins, not from genetics from the other side of the planet or from plants with completely different highs. Geographic and climatic locality is necessary for good weed, but not sufficient to maintain it's uniquely good quality.

Sorry. I don't understand why this is so obvious, and no one seems to get it. It is so easy to convince people of something by appealing to someone's financial self interest or appealing to their ego. I think I have PTSD from Trump. Super adverse to moronic ideas now. Stupid myths are almost impossible to kill. If I were king in anything more than just my own head, I'd take the word "landrace" out behind the barn, shoot it, slit it's throat, and feed it to the pigs. Then, and only then, it might be good fertilizer for my plants.

Hempy - You also got it right that I'd appreciate the link. Thanks.

I was disappointed about Ritter being a hash head. No wonder he liked it when the purple indica started being grown in California and judges weed by the size of the resin glands.

The good news is, Thai was so powerful, that he even appreciated good sativa. And it sold or presold itself no matter what price was charged. People were grabbing all they could.

Truth be told, I remember that Afghani hash oil. We called it honey oil and it was so wonderful. Such flavor. I also grew the purple bud. It was literally called Purple Bud. The two tastiest plants I ever grew were Purple Bud, and, more recently, Nanan Bouclou. Both reminded me of honey oil. Neither were anywhere near as psychoactive as Thai Sticks. Excuse me... I like getting high, not stoned. I don't care how good it tastes. Taste is secondary to the experience. Are you experienced?

ThaiBliss

 

[Donald Mallard]

i think we are in the midst of making the same mistakes thailand did back then too thaibliss ,
larger corporations are not going to produce the quality small farmers will, people are already complaining about it ...

your right , it happens with everything , even food ...



i was surprised about ritters love of indica too after toking that thai ,
id take the thai any day over that purple stuff ..



my thai father in law grew a plant or 2 out the back according to my ex wife ,
he didnt smoke it , just put the leaf in soup ,
another girl i knew also said it was in food coming from restaurants back when she was young , she is in her mid 50 s now ..


heres a bong i made fashioned after the one i toked in thailand with my mate profs wife,
the weed was good , but i suspect the delivery method , the bamboo bong also aided in the quite intense high i felt from that session ,
she made me smoke about 3 in a row because she was so impressed with the fact i could pull the whole thing in one shot , they had never seen a westerner do that ... lol ..

 

[Amynamous]

Phylos has dozens of samples from from both Colombia and Thailand so there's lots to go through. As a real curiosity they have a Colombian sample from the 1920s! It looks like this is the origin of the reds and has lots of living relatives. Closely related to Caribbean strains like Jamaican Lambsbread. As another curiosity all the old ones have a small but consistent amount of hemp ancestry. The closest old world landraces to Colombian would seem to be Odisha (Orissa) and Cambodia and there are no samples from between those locales. If I had to guess I'd say the origin of this genepool is mostly in eastern India.

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The Colombian golds and Oldtimer's haze trace back to this ancestry but are further removed on their own little branch. Basically the same thing from a different angle

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It can be fun playing around with this toy.

I suspect that Sir Joseph Banks was spreading seeds far and wide. He was born filthy rich and was able to talk his way onboard a variety of ships that sailed to the far reaches of the world. Apparently, he was fond of cannabis and collected seeds. Perhaps he spread them around as well?

As a side note, crow berries grow in the Chugach mountains of Alaska and they also grow on top of Haleakala, the 10,000 foot volcano on Maui. They are a cold weather, tree-line type of berry that grows on a small christmas tree type plant. I’ve always been amazed that they grow in both places.
Captain Cook and Sir Joseph Banks travelled to both places. Mystery solved?

 

[@hempy]

The old Gard smoked out of bamboo bongs in Australia also Donald i made lots of them and bamboo pipes i called them muhashadin pipes.

Maybe the returning Nam vets started that here and the US who knows.

Thaibliss your very welcome mate i find it interesting to share experiences we had and to read experiences you and others had sadly them days are over .

I think Maguire is all about selling the book he acts like he was there and all that he put to pepper was all that was. Like you posted the largest Asian cartel was formed during the Nam war they the American and Australians moved more than any of them.


I know from reading criminal figures from here were dealing with war lords with in the Golden triangle also both for heroin and for Thai sticks its documented fact.

 

[Thule]

ThiaBliss i found the Thia Stick book podcast thought you may find it interesting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOa20IYE5Nw

What I got from this is that Thai export was either green or golden. No mention of purple. There was a red but it was supposedly Cambodian. Most Thai/Lao strains offered by seedbanks now seem to be purple strains so that has changed..

 

[@hempy]

What I got from this is that Thai export was either green or golden. No mention of purple. There was a red but it was supposedly Cambodian. Most Thai/Lao strains offered by seedbanks now seem to be purple strains so that has changed..

Hi Thule i never saw Green dried Thai until the 78 Thai i have and that cures brown.All the rest was brown from a golden brown to a very dark brown.The plants that grew from the seed we found would harvest green dry to that brown.

I never saw red or purple Thai and then i had older guys tell me about the Red and Purple Thais.

About 7 to 10 years ago i grew this Thai and to my surprise it ended up with very red brown flowers if you can call them flowers they looked more like super large female Pistils clumped together almost like cursedly cut tobacco .

 

[Donald Mallard]

The old Gard smoked out of bamboo bongs in Australia also Donald i made lots of them and bamboo pipes i called them muhashadin pipes.

Maybe the returning Nam vets started that here and the US who knows.

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after sitting with prof 77 s wife toking bongs it occurred to me where we learnt what we knew ,
because as you say hempy we did indeed have bamboo bongs here,


and it was important to take the bong all in one hit ,



so im sure guys that had been toking bamboo bongs in thailand came back and shared the information with us and insisted we did it the same ....
btw ,, that bamboo bong is all bamboo , the stem is also bamboo , and the cone piece is just a drilled out section of a join in the bamboo , its 100% bamboo ...

 

[funkyhorse]

my thai father in law grew a plant or 2 out the back according to my ex wife ,
he didnt smoke it , just put the leaf in soup ,
another girl i knew also said it was in food coming from restaurants back when she was young , she is in her mid 50 s now ..

In BKK at this excellent fish restaurant you can find hemp leaves on their rich menu, I ordered it once and it was indeed fried leaves with some gravy. It is widely used in food
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaur...9652-Reviews-Sky_High_Restaurant-Bangkok.html

 

[@hempy]

after sitting with prof 77 s wife toking bongs it occurred to me where we learnt what we knew ,
because as you say hempy we did indeed have bamboo bongs here,


and it was important to take the bong all in one hit ,



so im sure guys that had been toking bamboo bongs in thailand came back and shared the information with us and insisted we did it the same ....
btw ,, that bamboo bong is all bamboo , the stem is also bamboo , and the cone piece is just a drilled out section of a join in the bamboo , its 100% bamboo ...

I hated dead smoke in bongs why i ended up smoking mostly joints and used home made pipes with huge shot guns holes.

Could be why the Thais smoked it all in one hit.

We westerners had the metal steam and cones but yep small bamboo for steam makes seance.

 

[chilliwilli]

I got a bamboo bong on koh phayam. I realy liked that the chillum was also made out of a bamboo node what gave the bowl part an elephant head look. But i had to leave it on the island since it got heavy used.
Smoking at once was ok. I liked the blowing over the bowl ritual to clean out your leftover smoke for the next one.

 

[ThaiBliss]

heres a bong i made fashioned after the one i toked in thailand with my mate profs wife,
the weed was good , but i suspect the delivery method , the bamboo bong also aided in the quite intense high i felt from that session ,
she made me smoke about 3 in a row because she was so impressed with the fact i could pull the whole thing in one shot , they had never seen a westerner do that ... lol ..

LMAO! Funny story and great looking bong.

We used bamboo bongs for awhile after a friend visited Jamaica. He brought home some bamboo, among other things. I can't believe some of the stuff we got away with just because we were kids, and not even that clever in hiding things. Interesting that we picked this up from the Jamaicans. All the videos I've ever seen were dudes smoking spliffs or chillums. I guess my friend connected with a less prevalent subculture there. I think he got lucky.

We once took to showing off by making people bets. We'd roll a decent sized joint in the medium to medium small range. Just before it was lit, we'd bet some unsuspecting soul that we could smoke that joint all in one hit. No one would turn down that bet. The joint was broken up and the weed put in a bong, and presto!

Yeah, we gave up that habit after awhile. My friend passed out and fell into the radiator. His neck was never the same. You would cringe when you saw the x-ray. I did basically the same thing. I was smoking in my parents house. Immediately after taking a huge bong hit, I thought I heard my mother climbing the stairs to my room. I jumped out of my seat to put stuff away, and I passed out. Luckily, I don't think I did any major damage.

I couldn't do that anymore if I tried. I'd probably have a stroke or something.

ThaiBliss

 

[CannaRed]

I saw this today and thought of this thread.

 

[xerb]

Really getting into the "Killer A5 Haze", no tolerance build up after weeks of smoking....
It smells and tastes great, a most delicious and awesome Haze. Kudos.
Beginners Beware: it keeps me awake for hours!
Who needs a bong when you smoke weed this good? Thanks Ace!
XERB

PS. It hasn't made me trip yet, but it sure makes me stumble for the first half hour!
I think it would be funny to video myself after a small dose of this stuff, I become very ineffectual, like,
six trips to the kitchen - when I should have only made one.
Why am I still holding this empty beer bottle? Back to the kitchen!

 

[xerb]

Thank the Goddess!

These are the best of times!

My stash box has never been so supremely well stocked.
Can you even imagine how much work has gone into each of these genetic lines
shared so generously with us ?

Surely, many of them have been worked on for a millennia, some through antiquity.

I think spending the bucks for your favorite breeders F1 seeds is the quickest way to
achieve world class ganga.

By the time you harvest you will have a lot of time and energy invested, you want to know
the final product will be great. The way to be sure is to start with world classes genetics.

F1 seeds, being a direct offspring of that very Sexy Rock Star Mom, are statistically
twice as likely to produce offspring just as sweet and good looking as Mom.

If you use seed you made, say an F2 that you made, in all likely hood there will have been
no genetic selection on the male side, and almost none on the female side (best of 5?).
With every succeeding generation it will be harder to get back to the gold standard of Mom.

What you pay for is getting those genetics as close related to Mom as possible, so that you're
more likely to get an exceptional female out of a SMALL number of plants..
If you are going to clone, it makes sense to clone from the F1 generation of the Breeders seeds.
This is how you take advantage of a Breeder's time, hard work and extraordinary selection skills.

Without those selection skills and a large selection group, Mom's very special genes will be diluted
with every generation.

Sure, if you were working with the strain, you already have extraordinary males selected.
Males that produce exceptional seeds are just as hard to find as exceptional females.
But, they are even harder to evaluate. To evaluate the males, you have to make seeds, then grow
out the seeds, harvest and cure, only then do you get to evaluate the progeny of Male1 vs Male2 !

Finding an individual comparable to Mom in the F3, F4..... generation seed, is improbable in a small grow.

It's kind of like expecting all Mozart's grandchildren to be great composers.

Or expecting all Dolly Pardon's grandchildren to have such a great sense of humor.

XERB

 

[Donald Mallard]

I hated dead smoke in bongs why i ended up smoking mostly joints and used home made pipes with huge shot guns holes.

Could be why the Thais smoked it all in one hit.

We westerners had the metal steam and cones but yep small bamboo for steam makes seance.

that bamboo bong of mine had no shotgun hole,
i m told good bongs dont need it , that one didnt seem too either ,
all gone in one blast , then hold onto your seats ... hahahaha ..

the stem and cone are all one piece , its not a seperate cone piece ,
maybe thats what helps with the clean pull ....

 

[Stocktont]

that bamboo bong of mine had no shotgun hole,
i m told good bongs dont need it , that one didnt seem too either ,
all gone in one blast , then hold onto your seats ... hahahaha ..

the stem and cone are all one piece , its not a seperate cone piece ,
maybe thats what helps with the clean pull ....

The thai style bamboo bongs don’t have a shotgun hole, just like yours just smoke it all in one go and then pull the bowl with the stem. A lot of the ashes will get sucked into the water chamber hence thais usually change the bongwater quite often.

 

[@hempy]

that bamboo bong of mine had no shotgun hole,
i m told good bongs dont need it , that one didnt seem too either ,
all gone in one blast , then hold onto your seats ... hahahaha ..

the stem and cone are all one piece , its not a seperate cone piece ,
maybe thats what helps with the clean pull ....

The early bamboo bongs here also had no shot gun hole they become popular in the 80s i still prefer smoking out of a hash pipe or from a joint as i hated the dead smoke or bong toke taste over all.

 

[Donald Mallard]

doesnt quite do the same thing though imho ,
though its down to preference i guess ,
but that punch from toking one of those bamboo bongs in one hit is something to behold , hahaha..

as stocktont says , as long as u clean them regular , they are great ,
they dont hold a lot of water so its best to clean after each session , or even half way through ...