The Roadkill Skunk Fan Club

[joaquin386]

AnatomiclySound can you prove that? I will be surprise on that of course if thats true.

 

[Bluebeard]

Reeferman has said on multiple occasions that he has gotten genetics from "his mentor", Sam. I wish I still had the description for the first RKS strain he sold under the name afghan skunk, which he sold on seedbay as a roadkill skunk about 4-8 months ago, and went for a pretty hefty price. He described it as an old school skunk he had gotten from Sam crossed to a Mazar he had also gotten from Sam. When he had a forum here, which I cannot find anymore, even in the archive, he had a "black magic african" which he also claimed was "gifted to him by sam". Within the last 36 hours he even went back and deleted a post on his own forum where he stated his polyploid skunk was also given to him by sam. I am assuming that Sam talked to him and he probably deleted or edited several other posts on his forum where he mentioned specificaly obtaining genetics from Sam.

Now back to the RKS topic, High Quality Seeds and I think Hemcy have been selling a skunk #3 based line for a few years, called skunk 3 X a2 both of which are types of skunk 1. The reason why reeferman's double skunk isn't interesting to me is because first of all it is an f1, so even if it was an rks, it is more than likely far from being true breeding. Also I have grown the purple skunk and it is quite far from skunky and doesn't have a very strong flavor of any type.

The RKS I'm looking for myself isn't related in any way to skunk 1. I'm looking for the old hairless skunks, which unlike the rest of the various RKS lines was sativa leaning. One of the biggest problems with the real RKS lines I have grown, is when grown indoors they aren't skunky. To get really skunky, they need the heat and humidity of the southern states combined with the spectrum of the summer sun. This is another big reason why I am suspicious of almost anyone's claims of an indoor RKS. It takes some tricky breeding to take an RKS and bring the flavor and odor indoors

Don't get me wrong, I wish everyone the best of luck in growing those double skunk seeds out, and for everyone's sake I really hope to be proved wrong. IMO it really illustrates how lazy the breeders for almost all of the seed companies are. If they cant stumble upon it already created and perfected for them, or sell it as an f1, then they won't sell it. Of course, over the last couple years there have been several seedlines sold as RKS, and they always sell quite well or fetch a good price at auction. But how many of them are really a skunk? Not one of them...

 

[Bluebeard]

See, in my opinion, Skunk 1 was never RKS when grown under hid. The dutch skunks stopped being RKS when they switched over from growing in greenhouses and outdoors to growing under sodium lights. The old skunk 1 simply needed sunlight to be skunky. I have grown several of the old non-skunk#1 american RKS lines and none of them were even close to RKS indoors. Even under a mix of MH and HPS the truest RKS I have ever known actually tasted quite awful indoors, with a really bland undescribeable taste and odor with little or no potency. Some of the others when grown under full spectrum hid lighting were piney, grapey, and even hashy but none kept there RKS qualities indoors.

 

[Guest]

AnatomiclySound can you prove that? I will be surprise on that of course if thats true.

Research Skywalker, research.

http://www.seriousseeds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=355&highlight=reeferman&page=4

 

[jimbroker]

anatomiclysound: Do you have any direct quotes from reeferman himself? The thread you posted from Serious' forums is just another person saying Reeferman claims he made it. Simon is careful in his response to 20`thai in that thread to say that 20'thai's claims that reeferman created the strain are not true. 20'Thai even responds that he doesn't care who made it, he just wants it to be better. I certainly understand that.

It is not the same as a direct claim from reeferman about creating Kali Mist!

I can understand reeferman claiming he did work with the strain and improved it, etc. Any breeder is going to say that. As far as claiming to be the original creator of the strain, I am highly suspect that is what reeferman actually said.

 

[mofeta]

Reeferman has claimed to be the Original Breeder of Kali Mist, what else needs to be said?

It was C-ray who used to say that over at OG, I never saw Reeferman claim that. In fact, I remember that he told C-ray to stop saying it. C-ray was saying it because he thought it was interesting that Kali Mist was released not too long after Emery gifted/traded some of Reef's lines,(including his Cambodian and some other asian sativas) to some dutch breeders.

 

[mofeta]

Here is what Reef has to say about the origins of his Double Skunk:

As far as the skunk #3 sam told me to locate skunk #3 as it was the road kill pheno(to get the road kill odor we obtained it from 3 sources and bred it to purple skunk to make double skunk) , he did not directly give me the genetics I was very fortunate to have a friend who worked with sam since the very begining I was able to obtain a number of the early strains that had been maintained for years .
In my 2 years in Holland I went about picking the brain of the great pioneers and collecting everything that was recomended the irony was that it was not in holland where many of the great varieties ended up being .
I assure everyone that if they grow my mazr offering next to any of the versions mentioned they will be vastly different and superior .
I have nothing but the highest respect for skunkman and his work I am sure he knows exactly how I obtained these strains and from whom.
I am sorry if this causes any troubles I am simply trying to give credit where credit is due on the origens of these genetics unlike others who would just change the name .
I have never said the african black was from Sam I have had that strain for many years prior to meeting sam .
I have simply tried to be acurate and honest about the origen of my genetics I do travel around the world collecting authentic landraces , the only outside source I have used is skunkmans becouse I have no dought about there origens .

Reeferman

This harmonizes with a post from Reef's site from over a year ago:

The skunks are very special project I am just digging in and doing a serious selection on the Heirloom skunk IBL looking for those special parents to carry on the legacy started by the pioneer of cannabis Sam all I am doing is shining the wheels of a already great vessel in Honor of my friend and mentor I have a feeling he will be surprised at the stellar old school skunks I have dug up to do this project !
Reef

Note especially the "I have a feeling he will be surprised at the stellar old school skunks I have dug up to do this project !" which makes it plain that Reeferman has rounded up Sam's genetics from various places, not directly from Sam.

 

[Guest]

"RKS lines was sativa leaning"...........this is truth in my experience as well...........as many indicas have the skunk reek, but none came close to the skanky lime green golf balls of the sat. bushes we tended in Corralitos.....'77-'80................very true breeding compared to most lines of today..........

 

[jakespeed]

I grew the skunk3xA2 from Hempcy about 10 years ago on a roadkill hunt, I liked it alot...... then I tried the Pure and then I tried the Shit, both of these give killer buds and weight, but it was sweet tasteing, the skunk3xA2 had a more drier taste, not near as sweet.....so when I seen it on seedbay last year, I jumped on her, after reading this thread it makes sence abit to why I liked the 3 better, it definatly is closer to the road kill smell, all of the skunks (3)had the same high........to me anyway

 

[joaquin386]

At least we REALLY clear certain stories that where not true, and they where made up or not directly said by reeferman just by "somebody" that made it up.

The thing about the serious forum is that a random guy just made some story up. A good reported is the one that contrast the information and NOT just believe the first guy who talk BS.

 

[Useless]

Well, if in fact the Skunk #3 contains the RKS in its genes, then wouldn't it be possible to find a really close RKS pheno in the F2 generation of the Hempcy Skunk #3 x A2 and the Double Skunk from Reeferman?
Just a thought...
And I wonder which would be more RKS in the F1 gen, as that would depend more on parental selection if my thinking is correct.

Mtn. Nectar, you nailed the description of the RKS I remember. Stank ass lime green golf balls with calyxes that break apart like popcorn.

 

[ethereal]

all this talk abot neon green golfballs? the roadkill skunk we had was called supaskunk, was emerald green, huge yielding club-colas, giant spear shaped..fat dark green foliage, and blood-red pistils with a thick diameter...tubular, one could say shit was straight up garbage funk like a tractor trailor did a burnout on a week old dead piece of roadkill. horrid taste that stuck in yer pipe for a week or more after smokin it, kinda like after u pack a bowl of sour diesel the next bowl tastes kinda residual of diesel, well, this was like burnt rubber in yer pipe for a week

good stuff

 

[JamesChong]

I'm still waiting to see someone to produce a plant. I know there are a few working on it. Sure will be nice when she appears again. Wish the best to everyone working on the project. Take care and get back to work. lolol
Later,
BG

 

[ethereal]

i know right... i felt like i was describing seeing fucking bigfoot for christs sakes... anybody have any? What the heck happened to your genes time2? didnt pan out to be legit? thank you

 

[Guest]

At least we REALLY clear certain stories that where not true, and they where made up or not directly said by reeferman just by "somebody" that made it up.

The thing about the serious forum is that a random guy just made some story up. A good reported is the one that contrast the information and NOT just believe the first guy who talk BS.

I dont think we cleared anything up, having been around the forums a long time I can tell you that Reeferman is a suspect breeder/seed pusher in my opinion. You are free to believe what you want. I dont really care to go searching through reefermans post and considering what Bluebeard posted, who I have no reason to doubt I wouldnt be surprised if he went and edited those comments either.
20 Thai isnt some random poster either, he has been around the various forums for quite sometime. The guy is kind of a hot head, but I would bet he had plenty of good reason to believe what he was saying to Simon. If anything was cleared up, its the fact Reeferman definitely DID NOT breed Kali mist. I can remember Reeferman showing up on the scene originally, pushing dozens of varietys he couldnt have possibly breed himself that quickly. There are alot of guys out there these days just out to make a buck in the industry. There are very few serious breeders left in the world, who have the genetics and means to work with those varietys in a proper manner. A majority of the varietys available from the numerous seed banks are just rehashed varietys that have been circulating for years that other people try to make their name off of, when in reality those lines were well worked before these "new guys" ever thought about getting into the business.

 

[Bluebeard]

Here is one quote from reeferman, that he missed in his post editing. Fortunately his post is cached in google, and if you do a search for that quote it should still turn up. This proves, at least to some extent that he was claiming Sam as the origins for at least some of his seeds, which Sam has denied.

"I did a massive selection on super silver haze our seeds came from skunkman and outshined all other super silver we have grown or seen"

Unfortunately his forum has been deleted from this site, but I swear to you that in a thread on Black Magic African, he also stated the seeds came from skunkman. I also swear that he deleted the post on his own site when discussing these so called "tetraploid" old school skunk seeds, Suzy creamcheese had pushed for an explanation because Suzy had serious doubts about them being tetraploid like RM had stated. Reef plain as day said the source for the seeds was Sam so, they must be authentic. As plain as day I saw this post one day, and the next day it had disappeared. Seemingly around the time that he was first made aware of this contradiction. I tried using the wayback machine to find proof that the posts were changed but unfortunately the pages in question are not in the archive.

To be honest, I don't really care if they came from Sam or not. Whoever a seed comes from doesn't really effect what it grows out to be. I do, however get upset when people claim landrace lines of an origin that is false. This has a very negative effect of conservation efforts, as well as to growers who have yet to experience the authentic versions. For example, claiming something is a black magic african, when it flowers for 9 weeks, or a Nigerian that flowers in 11, just because it is a name that will sell is morally reprehensible. No equatorial african should flower for less than 14 weeks. If you grow a plant that flowers for 9 weeks in the congo, it would only grow to be a ten inches tall because of the year round long nights.

But if you claim you can cross a skunk 3 with a purple skunk and have "100% of the plants be RKS" then people aren't going to be as forgiving when none of them are, especially when you have already released another line claiming it was RKS, and it wasn't. I hope people make sure that everyone knows what these seeds grow out to be whether they're RKS or not. If he is perpetrating a fraud I hope people recognize it and not keep making excuses for him. If he is not, I hope he gets credit for his work, eventhough it is an f1 and not actually true breeding.

 

[mofeta]

Here is one quote from reeferman, that he missed in his post editing. Fortunately his post is cached in google, and if you do a search for that quote it should still turn up. This proves, at least to some extent that he was claiming Sam as the origins for at least some of his seeds, which Sam has denied.

"I did a massive selection on super silver haze our seeds came from skunkman and outshined all other super silver we have grown or seen"

Why did you go to Google's cached version of this? It is on his site, as it always has been. Right here. Reef doesn't claim to have gotten them personally from Sam, just that he was the original source of the genetics. Sam has not denied originating these genetics, he just denied personally giving seeds to anyone for the last 10 years. "Hello Reeferman, I figured it was something like that.-SamS" was his reply to Reeferman's explanation in jimbroker's Hindu Kush thread. Can you show me a post by Sam where he denies ever working on SSH at one point? Even if he hasn't worked on SSH, Reef got the seeds from someone he feels is reliable, who said they were Sam's work. Maybe they aren't. The point is that Reef certainly believes they are, and is just trying to give credit where it is due, unlike a lot of people that have worked on Sam's stuff.

You keep saying that Reeferman has been editing posts. I defy you to PROVE this unsubstantiated claim.

Unfortunately his forum has been deleted from this site, but I swear to you that in a thread on Black Magic African, he also stated the seeds came from skunkman.

No, he didn't. There was some confusion between this fabled "Black Magic African" and Reef's African Black. Reef never claimed to have DJ's strain.

I also swear that he deleted the post on his own site when discussing these so called "tetraploid" old school skunk seeds, Suzy creamcheese had pushed for an explanation because Suzy had serious doubts about them being tetraploid like RM had stated. Reef plain as day said the source for the seeds was Sam so, they must be authentic. As plain as day I saw this post one day, and the next day it had disappeared. Seemingly around the time that he was first made aware of this contradiction. I tried using the wayback machine to find proof that the posts were changed but unfortunately the pages in question are not in the archive.

Do you meanthis thread? First of all, I followed that thread at the time with great interest. It was never edited or deleted in anyway I was aware of, and I was checking it twice a day. If you read this thread, it is clear that Reef says he got the seeds from someone besides Sam, who had made F2's with tetraploid plants grown by Eddy of TFD, and that Eddy got the original tetraploids by growing out a large number of seeds that Sam had treated with colchicine.

Notice also that the post where Reef mentions his source for the seeds (just as a "credible source"), is followed by Suzy's post only some 5 hours later. His quote is embedded in her response, and shows that original post was not edited. The back-and-forth between Reef and the folks asking him about the tetraploids, when read carefully holds together perfectly. Also notice that Suzy is completely satisfied with his answer. Are you saying he edited their posts to jibe with his?

To be honest, I don't really care if they came from Sam or not. Whoever a seed comes from doesn't really effect what it grows out to be.

This is true.

I do, however get upset when people claim landrace lines of an origin that is false. This has a very negative effect of conservation efforts, as well as to growers who have yet to experience the authentic versions. For example, claiming something is a black magic african, when it flowers for 9 weeks, or a Nigerian that flowers in 11, just because it is a name that will sell is morally reprehensible.

Please link to Reeferman making these claims. He used to sell a F1 of a South African x something I can't remember that he called "African Black". He never claimed it was a landrace. He never claimed it was DJ's "black magic african" either. He was completely up front about it.

Reeferman also sold a nigerian IBL for a very short time. It is the momma of his F1 Nigerian Nightmare. I don't remember what flowering time he gave for it, maybe it was 11 weeks. How do you know that there are no 11 week Nigerians? Especially with a little selective inbreeding? You seem confident that this is absolutely impossible.

No equatorial african should flower for less than 14 weeks.

So it is impossible to reduce this time with selective inbreeding? To maybe 13.5? 13?

... especially when you have already released another line claiming it was RKS, and it wasn't.

Enlighten me on this with a link to a grow report, will you? A grow report on seeds sold by Reeferman as RKS, that were not.

I hope people make sure that everyone knows what these seeds grow out to be whether they're RKS or not. If he is perpetrating a fraud I hope people recognize it and not keep making excuses for him. If he is not, I hope he gets credit for his work, eventhough it is an f1 and not actually true breeding.

I guess we will find out, eh?

mofeta

 

[Guest]

Bluebeard is one of the more exceptional posters on this forum. There is no doubt about the fact Reeferman is a suspect breeder, anyone who doubts that is probably new to forums or has some kind of personal interest in the manner.

I could literally pick Reefermans strains apart one by one. I just had a look at his site, although briefly and I had a good laugh for sure. This guy hasnt been in the industry very long at all, but looks to offer dozens of varietys he couldnt have possibly breed himself. Where did he get all the time to breed these varietys the proper way? Where is he growing all of these varietys? To offer exceptional varietys, requires exceptional work put into the varietys. Surely Reeferman hasnt put that kind of work into the literally dozens of varietys he offers. He is obviously working off of other peoples work.

RM-110 Kali’s Bliss
For lovers of Kali Mist the Reeferman proudly presents Kali’s Bliss an exceptional
F-1 hybrid of Reeferman’s Cambodian and Brother’s Grimm C-99.

Finish Time: 9-12 weeks
Outside Finish Time: November

Variation: 2.5 / Odor: 2.5 / Mold Resistance: 5 / Yield: 5 /Ease of Growth: 4 / Feed: 4

Stretch:2.5-3x
Sativa/Indica: 90/10

Reefermans Cambodian? Crossed to a C99? Which is a Jack Herer line ultimately(NL, SK and Haze)? So where exactly does the relation to Kali Mist come into play? How Can reeferman call this variety Kali Bliss and relate it to the lovers of Kali Mist when apparently no true Kali Mist lines have been used. Kali Mist is a Serious Seeds variety, and for the most part its pedigree is kept a secret. To my knowledge Simon has never stated the ultimate lineage of Serious Seeds, so how can Reeferman call this cambodian of his x C99 Kali Bliss? And lets just stop for a second and think about it. Lets say Kali Mist is a cambodian, how does that make it his? Where is he giving credit to Simon anywhere in there claiming Kali Bliss to be a variety for Kali Mist lovers? Simply speaking, that description is misleading.

Cambodian (Pure)
A true landrace collected in Cambodia and worked so that it's hermie free. Old style Cambodian plant, squat sativa, slightly wider leaves than one might expect. True breeding. Semi sweet aroma, slightly sour in the bag. Nice warm feelgood sativa high. 5-6 ounces in a 10 gallon pot in 9-10 weeks.

Indoor: 65 to 70 days
Outdoor: Nov 1 to Nov 15

Hmmm, never mind my comments above about "lets say for a minute Kali is a Cambodian line". A true land race, thats hermie free? Wow that must have took ALOT of work to pull off. I would personally like to see where and how he pulled that off. Im calling BS obviously.






I dont want to even get started on the NL5 he is claiming to have. Very few people possess the true NL5 cut.

RM-200 Williams Mango
The original Williams Wonder makes an F1 with BC Mango, and the results are superb. This was the big yielder in last years field trials, the heavyweight champion of the RM 2006 collection. Works great indoors too! Piney and tropical fruit smells mingle in sturdy, sativa-indica hybrids with a classic Christmas tree shape and perfect symmetry.

I dont even know where to start here haha, an F1?

RM-201 Manga Haze
Extremely easy Haze to grow - cup winning potential even for first timers.
Manga Rosa X Afghani X Nevilles Haze

Indoor/Outdoor
10-13 weeks flower time.

Ah, a three hybrid that is obviously playing off of the MNS Mango Haze success.

RM-202 3/4 Haze
The purest Haze available today - Bred from '97 Nevilles Haze IBL.
Extremely stoney and classic Haze taste.
Ideal for breeders.

11-16 weeks indoors.
Perfect for outdoors in warmer climates.

The purest Haze available today? Oh boy.

The Other Crystal Ship
Our super resinous Kali Mist Indica pheno gangbanged by 4 frosty NL #5 boys results in a doubly rich citrus aroma with mega crystal production. Super bag appeal. Decent high. Higher yields than The Crystal Ship. Fuckin' deadly commercial strain.

Indoor: 55 to 60 days
Outdoor: Oct 15 to Oct 31

Indica pheno of Kali Mist? Well that definitely tells us something right there. Simon infact re worked the version back to more Sativa in an effort to reclaim something similar to the orignal Kali Mist (which has quite a reputation for itself in its original form) which has underwent 3 incarnations in recent history. I personally wouldnt want an Indica pheno of Kali Mist. But hey, maybe others do. In any case, I would surely went to Serious Seeds for my Kali Mist and I dont believe his NL5 male claims for a second. Im willing to bet theres more to the story then we are being told. So for all these years we havent been able to have a pure NL5 line available because NL5 is a female only clone but RM has had the males all this time? LOL! Obviously this is another misleading statement.

 

[mofeta]

Bluebeard is one of the more exceptional posters on this forum.

You're joking, right? Show me ONE of his posts that is exceptional, or even one with some original info in it.

There is no doubt about the fact Reeferman is a suspect breeder, anyone who doubts that is probably new to forums or has some kind of personal interest in the manner.

Are you a politician? Your smear techniques remind me of the worst of American politics. "There is no doubt.." about Reef's integrity because guys like you like to fling shit at him? No matter how many times you repeat a lie, it does not become truth. If there is no doubt, how about some proof instead of your swiftboating?

This guy hasnt been in the industry very long at all,

Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. I've got seeds from Reef from over 10 years ago, and he had been at it for a quite a while then.

but looks to offer dozens of varietys he couldnt have possibly breed himself. Where did he get all the time to breed these varietys the proper way? Where is he growing all of these varietys?

Don't judge others by your own measure. Just because you couldn't do it doesn't mean someone else couldn't. You do know that Reef's old operation in BC consisted of over 80KW of indoor, several 1000ft2 greenhouses and acres of outdoor plantings, don't you?

To offer exceptional varietys, requires exceptional work put into the varietys. Surely Reeferman hasnt put that kind of work into the literally dozens of varietys he offers.

Once again, you judge an exceptional man by your own unexceptional personal standards. Just because you are unable to put out an exceptional effort, and get exceptional results, doesn't mean that someone else couldn't. Surely.

He is obviously working off of other peoples work.

Who doesn't? Whether it is the work of an indiginous people, or a surfer from California, you have to get it from someone. Who do you know that conjures up plants from thin air? The thing that sets Reef apart is that he lets you know where he got it.

Reefermans Cambodian? Crossed to a C99? Which is a Jack Herer line ultimately(NL, SK and Haze)? So where exactly does the relation to Kali Mist come into play? How Can reeferman call this variety Kali Bliss and relate it to the lovers of Kali Mist when apparently no true Kali Mist lines have been used. Kali Mist is a Serious Seeds variety, and for the most part its pedigree is kept a secret. To my knowledge Simon has never stated the ultimate lineage of Serious Seeds, so how can Reeferman call this cambodian of his x C99 Kali Bliss? And lets just stop for a second and think about it. Lets say Kali Mist is a cambodian, how does that make it his? Where is he giving credit to Simon anywhere in there claiming Kali Bliss to be a variety for Kali Mist lovers? Simply speaking, that description is misleading.

You obviously don't get it. Have you ever smoked Kali Mist? How about Kali's Bliss? They could be indistinguishable for all you know. People who like Kali Mist only like Simon's "true Kali Mist"? What, do their brain cells and tastebuds ask for a certificate from Simon or something? Anyway, he doesn't call it Kali Mist, he calls it Kali's Bliss, a clever name that shows that it is not Kali Mist, but similar. What's misleading about that?

"..it's pedigree is kept a secret." How do you know where the genetics came from then? Is Simon one of those "out of thin air" breeders? You imply you've been around the boards along time. Do you remember back on OG how Reef had to tell people not to tell the "Kali Mist story" anymore? Some folks thought it was curious that Kali Mist was introduced not too long after Emery gifted/traded/sold some of Reef's lines to some Dutch breeders, and that Kali Mist was very similar in some ways to Reef's Cambodian, which happened to be one of the lines Emery had introduced to Europe. Reef himself said from the beginning that there was no proof that his Cambo had been used and pleaded with people not to speculate on the matter. I don't know where Simon got the genetics for Kali Mist. Neither do you. All I know is that I have smoked both, and they are VERY similar, but I liked Reef's better.

Hmmm, never mind my comments above about "lets say for a minute Kali is a Cambodian line". A true land race, thats hermie free? Wow that must have took ALOT of work to pull off. I would personally like to see where and how he pulled that off. Im calling BS obviously.

Reef obtained his Cambodian line over 10 years ago, personally, in Cambodia, and has been working on it ever since. We're talking like F20 or so. He pulled it off in the facilities in BC that I mentioned before. If you really want to know how, go over to Reef's site and ask him. He is real open about his breeding techniques, and has an encyclopedic memory of all the work he has done in the past couple decades.

I dont want to even get started on the NL5 he is claiming to have. Very few people possess the true NL5 cut.

So what. Reef is one of the few.

I dont even know where to start here haha, an F1?

You aren't making any sense here at all. What's wrong with F1s?

Ah, a three hybrid that is obviously playing off of the MNS Mango Haze success.

So you've smoked Manga Haze and didn't like it? By the way, notice how Reef was completely up front about the lineage of this cross, like he always is.

The purest Haze available today? Oh boy.

How do you know it's not? Just because you express incredulity doesn't make it not so. You remind me of my kids when they were little, refuting each others positions with the brilliant argument "OH YEAH..!"

Indica pheno of Kali Mist?

You are unaware of the indica pheno of Kali Mist? Bummer for you.

I personally wouldnt want an Indica pheno of Kali Mist. But hey, maybe others do. In any case, I would surely went to Serious Seeds for my Kali Mist

No one, especially Reeferman, is stopping you from "wenting" to Serious Seeds and buying Kali Mist. In fact I encourage you to not buy from Reef, and go buy Simon's seeds. Please.

and I dont believe his NL5 male claims for a second. Im willing to bet theres more to the story then we are being told. So for all these years we havent been able to have a pure NL5 line available because NL5 is a female only clone but RM has had the males all this time? LOL! Obviously this is another misleading statement.

Reef has been very clear on the origins of his NL. It's very good. How's yours?

mofeta

 

[mofeta]

I don't have enough posts to receive PMs here.